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Without government, how will 90% of the populace smoke weed all night and sleep all day?
Topic Started: Apr 21 2016, 09:41 PM (3,576 Views)
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Apr 22 2016, 01:42 PM
The only way to reduce the human population on Earth is to make it that having children is an expensive hobby, like it is in most modern first world countries. That is objective #1.

Whereas in the 3rd world, having children gives a family an economic advantage

The answer: pay people not to have children
Atta - there is a direct correlation to standard of living and the desire to have children.

Even in China the one child policy is obsolete.

The answer? government needs to stop wrecking the third world.
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Apr 22 2016, 12:13 PM
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Slavery to "productivity", because that's all you consider to be of value in this world, when there is so much more.
So that whole "People want to work" argument is bogus then?
People want to work, at what they enjoy working at. They don't want to work because it's "productive" and lines someone else's pockets, while they barely get by. Give people the opportunity to do things they love while still managing to survive, and they'll work very hard at it. Currently most of the working population slogs along at jobs they pretty much hate, or can more or less tolerate, because that's how they manage to have a roof over their heads and food in their stomachs.

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So that whole "People want to work" argument is bogus then?
People want to work, at what they enjoy working at. They don't want to work because it's "productive" and lines someone else's pockets, while they barely get by. Give people the opportunity to do things they love while still managing to survive, and they'll work very hard at it. Currently most of the working population slogs along at jobs they pretty much hate, or can more or less tolerate, because that's how they manage to have a roof over their heads and food in their stomachs.

So then it is fine with you that people are taxed on their productivity to 'line someone else's pockets".

as is the case with universal basic income and all other forms of welfare? :dunno:
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Providing for the common welfare is an admirable goal for Government.


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Apr 22 2016, 02:43 PM
Providing for the common welfare is an admirable goal for Government.
Stealing from people though - not so much.
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Don't you just love 1970's Stereotypes about pot.

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Apr 22 2016, 02:51 PM
Don't you just love 1970's Stereotypes about pot.

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From a so-called liburtarian, no less.
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Don't you just love 1970's Stereotypes about pot.

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From a so-called liburtarian, no less.
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Don't you just love 1970's Stereotypes about pot.

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From a so-called liburtarian, no less.
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True, Ayn Randists have the insufferable burden of having all reasoning fly directly over their not-so-lofty heads.
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True, Ayn Randists have the insufferable burden of having all reasoning fly directly over their not-so-lofty heads.
Curious when you will begin to bring reason into this conversation.

My guess is you will drop some regressive memes then pound sand.
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True, Ayn Randists have the insufferable burden of having all reasoning fly directly over their not-so-lofty heads.
Curious when you will begin to bring reason into this conversation.

My guess is you will drop some regressive memes then pound sand.


Does it matter to you, in your insular Ayn Randian, crypto-anarchist Bubble?
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Curious when you will begin to bring reason into this conversation.

My guess is you will drop some regressive memes then pound sand.


Does it matter to you, in your insular Ayn Randian, crypto-anarchist Bubble?
You forgot to tell me to move to Somalia.

Enjoy your tautological masturbation, you intellectually-void milquetoast fop.
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People want to work, at what they enjoy working at. They don't want to work because it's "productive" and lines someone else's pockets, while they barely get by. Give people the opportunity to do things they love while still managing to survive, and they'll work very hard at it. Currently most of the working population slogs along at jobs they pretty much hate, or can more or less tolerate, because that's how they manage to have a roof over their heads and food in their stomachs.

So then it is fine with you that people are taxed on their productivity to 'line someone else's pockets".

as is the case with universal basic income and all other forms of welfare? :dunno:
So, what I hear you saying is that it is fine to trap people in poverty so that they have to work at drudgery their whole life long just to provide themselves with food and shelter, but it is a damn travesty to tax the rich. That pretty much it?
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThey don't want to work because it's "productive" and lines someone else's pockets, while they barely get by. Give people the opportunity to do things they love while still managing to survive, and they'll work very hard at it. Currently most of the working population slogs along at jobs they pretty much hate, or can more or less tolerate, because that's how they manage to have a roof over their heads and food in their stomachs.

So then it is fine with you that people are taxed on their productivity to 'line someone else's pockets".

as is the case with universal basic income and all other forms of welfare? :dunno:
So, what I hear you saying is that it is fine to trap people in poverty so that they have to work at drudgery their whole life long just to provide themselves with food and shelter, but it is a damn travesty to tax the rich. That pretty much it?
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They don't want to work because it's "productive" and lines someone else's pockets, while they barely get by.


No - I am asking why you think non-existent wage slavery is unacceptable while very existent taxation is fine?
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Providing for the common welfare is an admirable goal for Government.
Stealing from people though - not so much.
Having you pay your fair share for the benefit of the society that has nurtured you to success is stealing from you?
Edited by CautionaryTales, Apr 22 2016, 06:03 PM.


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Providing for the common welfare is an admirable goal for Government.
Stealing from people though - not so much.
Having you pay your fair share for the benefit of the society that has nurtured you to success is stealing from you?
Yes. What is fair to you may not be fair to me comrade.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThey don't want to work because it's "productive" and lines someone else's pockets, while they barely get by.
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They don't want to work because it's "productive" and lines someone else's pockets, while they barely get by.


No - I am asking why you think non-existent wage slavery is unacceptable while very existent taxation is fine?
And I'm asking you why you think wage slavery, which does exist, is fine as long as it's "productive" but taxing the rich isn't?

Because I take this to mean that you're fine with the misery of others as long as someone makes a profit.

I haven't mentioned the rich once in this thread. For the record - no one should be taxed.

What fecking misery do you keep babbling about?
Edited by estonianman, Apr 22 2016, 06:12 PM.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThey don't want to work because it's "productive" and lines someone else's pockets, while they barely get by.
And I'm asking you why you think wage slavery, which does exist, is fine as long as it's "productive" but taxing the rich isn't?

Because I take this to mean that you're fine with the misery of others as long as someone makes a profit.

I haven't mentioned the rich once in this thread. For the record - no one should be taxed.

What fecking misery do you keep babbling about?
So you're cool with productive misery, is that our take away here?
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThey don't want to work because it's "productive" and lines someone else's pockets, while they barely get by.

I haven't mentioned the rich once in this thread. For the record - no one should be taxed.

What fecking misery do you keep babbling about?
So you're cool with productive misery, is that our take away here?
What productive misery? You are bordering on marxist rhetoric here.

You already own your own production ( with exception to what the government taxes from you). The problem is that most people are not productive on their own, but can trade their production for a better benefit.

yes some people hate working. tough s**t.
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Having you pay your fair share for the benefit of the society that has nurtured you to success is stealing from you?
Yes. What is fair to you may not be fair to me comrade.
Well, in this world, the one we live in.. That isn't the way it works.
Your magicland doesn't exist.
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