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Without government, how will 90% of the populace smoke weed all night and sleep all day?
Topic Started: Apr 21 2016, 09:41 PM (3,574 Views)
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What I find interesting about this Altman fella is that although his fortunes (in the billions) are accumulated by means of exploiting capitalism, he's selling this utopian nanny state and people are buying it as a means of increasing productivity.

"Altman argued basic income could support huge amounts of productivity loss and still carry the economy on its shoulders.
Edited by ringotuna, Apr 24 2016, 06:06 AM.
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ringotuna
Apr 24 2016, 06:02 AM
What I find interesting about this Altman fella is that although his fortunes (in the billions) are accumulated by means of exploiting capitalism, he's selling this utopian nanny state and people are buying it as a means of increasing productivity.

"Altman argued basic income could support huge amounts of productivity loss and still carry the economy on its shoulders.
"As short a time ago as February, the Ministry of Plenty had issued a promise (a "categorical pledge" were the official words) that there would be no reduction in government stipends during 2020. Actually, as Winston was aware, the government basic income was to be reduced from 5000 credits to 4500 at the end of the present week. All that was needed was to substitute for the original promise a warning that it would probably be necessary to reduce the income at some time in April. "
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Apr 24 2016, 04:46 AM
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I see esto getting his girlie calzones all bound up the minute CT shows up......is there a crush going on here?
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Apr 24 2016, 11:14 AM
I see esto getting his girlie calzones all bound up the minute CT shows up......is there a crush going on here?
CT has a deep ingrained hatred of my positions - and is frustrated that he lacks the intellectual foundation to overcome them.
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That's ok, you don't have the brainpower to support them ...
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estonianman
Apr 24 2016, 11:17 AM
edro14
Apr 24 2016, 11:14 AM
I see esto getting his girlie calzones all bound up the minute CT shows up......is there a crush going on here?
CT has a deep ingrained hatred of my positions - and is frustrated that he lacks the intellectual foundation to overcome them.
Lol... I don't have to overcome your failing in life.
I'm a happy fella that has made the decisions, taken the actions and shouldered the responsibilities of my decisions.
You haven't done anything except cry about your first world problems that you are too timid to do anything about... Therefore you will never be as happy as I am.

Taking notes?
I am the guy you want to be when you grow up.
Edited by CautionaryTales, Apr 24 2016, 11:33 AM.


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Apr 24 2016, 11:27 AM
That's ok, you don't have the brainpower to support them ...
Source?
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Apr 24 2016, 11:31 AM
estonianman
Apr 24 2016, 11:17 AM
edro14
Apr 24 2016, 11:14 AM
I see esto getting his girlie calzones all bound up the minute CT shows up......is there a crush going on here?
CT has a deep ingrained hatred of my positions - and is frustrated that he lacks the intellectual foundation to overcome them.
Lol... I don't have to overcome your failing in life.
I'm a happy fella that has made the decisions, taken the actions and shouldered the responsibilities of my decisions.
You haven't done anything except cry about your first world problems that you are too timid to do anything about... Therefore you will never be as happy as I am.

Taking notes?
I am the guy you want to be when you grow up.
I am the first guy to acknowledge a well articulated counter argument.

You on the other hand do not debate - you said it yourself

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Lol... I don't have to overcome


Exactly. Your goal here is to waste everyone's time. Here is a diagram of your posting technique:

I disprove one fallacy, you quickly move on to the next. (society = government)

Disprove the new fallacy, and you move on to the next one. (move to Somalia)

Disprove that fallacy, and blamo you are back at the first claiming it again as fact as if you never heard of an argument against it. (society = government, why haven't you move to Somalia yet?)

And the whole time you take on this strange daddy role, as if your age automatically adds merit to your delusions.

If I aspired to be as intellectually vapid and devoted to creating internet waste - I would hasten the trip by drinking Drano or joining a cult. Feck that.

Edited by estonianman, Apr 24 2016, 11:43 AM.
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Esto..if CT is such a waste of time..then why do you voluntarily waste your time engaging with him?
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Apr 24 2016, 11:40 AM
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Apr 24 2016, 11:31 AM
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Apr 24 2016, 11:17 AM

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Lol... I don't have to overcome your failing in life.
I'm a happy fella that has made the decisions, taken the actions and shouldered the responsibilities of my decisions.
You haven't done anything except cry about your first world problems that you are too timid to do anything about... Therefore you will never be as happy as I am.

Taking notes?
I am the guy you want to be when you grow up.
I am the first guy to acknowledge a well articulated counter argument.

You on the other hand do not debate - you said it yourself

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Lol... I don't have to overcome


Exactly. Your goal here is to waste everyone's time. Here is a diagram of your posting technique:

I disprove one fallacy, you quickly move on to the next. (society = government)

Disprove the new fallacy, and you move on to the next one. (move to Somalia)

Disprove that fallacy, and blamo you are back at the first claiming it again as fact as if you never heard of an argument against it. (society = government, why haven't you move to Somalia yet?)

And the whole time you take on this strange daddy role, as if your age automatically adds merit to your delusions.

If I aspired to be as intellectually vapid and devoted to creating internet waste - I would hasten the trip by drinking Drano or joining a cult. Feck that.

You haven't disproven anything young man.
You have unfortunately for you, proven that you are a non starter when it comes to doing anything about your first world problems.

Until you get beyond that all of the bluster and squawking you do about everything that upsets your little apple cart of discontent, you will be a joke.

Be a man son,,make the changes that are within your reach.

Remember... Take your life notes I am giving you. You need all the help you can get.
Edited by CautionaryTales, Apr 24 2016, 12:18 PM.


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Apr 24 2016, 12:17 PM
estonianman
Apr 24 2016, 11:40 AM
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Apr 24 2016, 11:31 AM

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I am the first guy to acknowledge a well articulated counter argument.

You on the other hand do not debate - you said it yourself

Quote:
 
Lol... I don't have to overcome


Exactly. Your goal here is to waste everyone's time. Here is a diagram of your posting technique:

I disprove one fallacy, you quickly move on to the next. (society = government)

Disprove the new fallacy, and you move on to the next one. (move to Somalia)

Disprove that fallacy, and blamo you are back at the first claiming it again as fact as if you never heard of an argument against it. (society = government, why haven't you move to Somalia yet?)

And the whole time you take on this strange daddy role, as if your age automatically adds merit to your delusions.

If I aspired to be as intellectually vapid and devoted to creating internet waste - I would hasten the trip by drinking Drano or joining a cult. Feck that.

You haven't disproven anything young man.
You have unfortunately for you, proven that you are a non starter when it comes to doing anything about your first world problems.

Until you get beyond that all of the bluster and squawking you do about everything that upsets your little apple cart of discontent, you will be a joke.

Be a man son,,make the changes that are within your reach.

Remember... Take your life notes I am giving you. You need all the help you can get.
You should get off this thread if it bothers you.

You have that option.
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Apr 24 2016, 12:25 PM
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Apr 24 2016, 11:40 AM

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You haven't disproven anything young man.
You have unfortunately for you, proven that you are a non starter when it comes to doing anything about your first world problems.

Until you get beyond that all of the bluster and squawking you do about everything that upsets your little apple cart of discontent, you will be a joke.

Be a man son,,make the changes that are within your reach.

Remember... Take your life notes I am giving you. You need all the help you can get.
You should get off this thread if it bothers you.

You have that option.
Your kidding? I'm having fun watching you make a fool of yourself.



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Apr 24 2016, 01:00 PM
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Apr 24 2016, 12:25 PM
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Apr 24 2016, 12:17 PM

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You should get off this thread if it bothers you.

You have that option.
Your kidding? I'm having fun watching you make a fool of yourself.

Its like your whole life is satire.
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In THEORY, you're a millionaire if your wife would sleep with another man for a million dollars. In REALITY you're married to a whore.
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ringotuna
Apr 24 2016, 06:02 AM
What I find interesting about this Altman fella is that although his fortunes (in the billions) are accumulated by means of exploiting capitalism, he's selling this utopian nanny state and people are buying it as a means of increasing productivity.

"Altman argued basic income could support huge amounts of productivity loss and still carry the economy on its shoulders.
Here is a question
Lets say the robotic/AI thing takes off and makes more and more jobs obsolete
What is the markets plans for all the surplus humans?
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Apr 25 2016, 02:07 PM
ringotuna
Apr 24 2016, 06:02 AM
What I find interesting about this Altman fella is that although his fortunes (in the billions) are accumulated by means of exploiting capitalism, he's selling this utopian nanny state and people are buying it as a means of increasing productivity.

"Altman argued basic income could support huge amounts of productivity loss and still carry the economy on its shoulders.
Here is a question
Lets say the robotic/AI thing takes off and makes more and more jobs obsolete
What is the markets plans for all the surplus humans?
Right, once all those humans no longer have a steady income because their jobs are being performed by robots, who buys the goods and services those robots will be providing? The 10% or 20% of the population that's still gainfully employed? How's that going to work?
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Apr 25 2016, 10:12 PM
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Apr 25 2016, 02:07 PM
ringotuna
Apr 24 2016, 06:02 AM
What I find interesting about this Altman fella is that although his fortunes (in the billions) are accumulated by means of exploiting capitalism, he's selling this utopian nanny state and people are buying it as a means of increasing productivity.

"Altman argued basic income could support huge amounts of productivity loss and still carry the economy on its shoulders.
Here is a question
Lets say the robotic/AI thing takes off and makes more and more jobs obsolete
What is the markets plans for all the surplus humans?
Right, once all those humans no longer have a steady income because their jobs are being performed by robots, who buys the goods and services those robots will be providing? The 10% or 20% of the population that's still gainfully employed? How's that going to work?
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Apr 25 2016, 02:07 PM
ringotuna
Apr 24 2016, 06:02 AM
What I find interesting about this Altman fella is that although his fortunes (in the billions) are accumulated by means of exploiting capitalism, he's selling this utopian nanny state and people are buying it as a means of increasing productivity.

"Altman argued basic income could support huge amounts of productivity loss and still carry the economy on its shoulders.
Here is a question
Lets say the robotic/AI thing takes off and makes more and more jobs obsolete
What is the markets plans for all the surplus humans?
Right, once all those humans no longer have a steady income because their jobs are being performed by robots, who buys the goods and services those robots will be providing? The 10% or 20% of the population that's still gainfully employed? How's that going to work?
I guess the only way is to get a daily ration from government - just like in 1984.

What could go wrong?
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Apr 25 2016, 10:29 PM
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Apr 25 2016, 02:07 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep"Altman argued basic income could support huge amounts of productivity loss and still carry the economy on its shoulders.
Right, once all those humans no longer have a steady income because their jobs are being performed by robots, who buys the goods and services those robots will be providing? The 10% or 20% of the population that's still gainfully employed? How's that going to work?
I guess the only way is to get a daily ration from government - just like in 1984.

What could go wrong?
I'm open to your "market" solution. What do you suggest?
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