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Congress looks at re-starting the F-22 Raptor program
Topic Started: Apr 22 2016, 12:40 PM (1,164 Views)
Tsalagi
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BuckFan
Apr 22 2016, 06:36 PM
Tsalagi
Apr 22 2016, 06:02 PM
The idea is to move beyond the f-22, and into the F-35, it is a joint strike fighter craft, that can be modified easily to suit the needs of it's branch, the Navy/Marines need one with the ability to take a punch on carrier landings at sea.

The F-35 was supposed to be the pinnacle, 5th gen fighter to go toe to toe with the latest MIG variant and the Chinese update version
That's not quite right but given the ignorance of the general media I can understand the confusion.

The easiest way to look at it is the F22 is the F15 replacement. It is the primary air-to-air fighter but costly. The primary mission is defense of the U.S.

The F35 is to be the F16 replacement. Basically less capable but cheaper so more plentiful (OK, no posts about cost overruns) and more of a general workhorse.

The F35 is a little brother to the F22.
Thank you for the clarification, me personally, I'm for cheap is better, Go F-35!! As it stands I'm told that it can still go toe to toe with the Mig-21
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Apples and Oranges. We're rapidly moving away from both the F-22 and F-35 to pilotless fighters. Both of these fighters are the last of their kind, and in a decade, perhaps a little longer, both will be obsolete. Advance in Chinese and especially Russian sixth generation fighters that will most certainly be pilotless will see to that. In fact, the Russians have been working on pilotless technology since at least 2013 - in both the Mikoyan and Sukhoi aircraft bureaus. With the Antonov bureau working on pilotless military transports. Who's designs can and likely will be used by Russian civilian aircraft manufacturers such as Gazpromavia once the technolgy is perfected and released into the civilian market.
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Demagogue
Apr 23 2016, 11:40 AM
Eddo36
Apr 23 2016, 03:25 AM
Demagogue
Apr 23 2016, 01:28 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
http://www.facebook.com/foxnews

Sure I do have the link to their comments.
I meant a link to the specific comments you claimed they had made.
http://unitedstates.com/topic/8396524/
We believe only what we want to believe.
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Tsalagi
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70-101
Apr 23 2016, 03:02 PM
Apples and Oranges. We're rapidly moving away from both the F-22 and F-35 to pilotless fighters. Both of these fighters are the last of their kind, and in a decade, perhaps a little longer, both will be obsolete. Advance in Chinese and especially Russian sixth generation fighters that will most certainly be pilotless will see to that. In fact, the Russians have been working on pilotless technology since at least 2013 - in both the Mikoyan and Sukhoi aircraft bureaus. With the Antonov bureau working on pilotless military transports. Who's designs can and likely will be used by Russian civilian aircraft manufacturers such as Gazpromavia once the technolgy is perfected and released into the civilian market.
I still want a pilot behind the stick, to many thing can go wrong with hijacking a UCAV/UAV. I want a man who is trained to go with his gut on how the plane is flying, not on what his instruments or a computer back at the UCAV/UAV's laptop is telling it's operator, some young enlisted man who doesn't understand aeronautics, let alone dog fighting.

Military transports, civilian airlines are one thing...but what if something goes wrong, a UCAV/UAV operator can safely walk away from his desk. I want a man willing to do whatever is possible to get that plane down or over the target.

The Israelis are great fighter pilots precisely because I"m told that when we sell them this high priced fancy planes, they rip out a lot of the electronics, trusting in the pilot's capabilities, because that is what gets a pilot thru a dogfight, guts and skill in the xxxxpit. What good is it to have the ability. To lock in 10 miles out on your opponent when Israel may not even be 10 miles wide at the point an enemy MIG is coming in?
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BuckFan
Apr 22 2016, 06:36 PM
Tsalagi
Apr 22 2016, 06:02 PM
The idea is to move beyond the f-22, and into the F-35, it is a joint strike fighter craft, that can be modified easily to suit the needs of it's branch, the Navy/Marines need one with the ability to take a punch on carrier landings at sea.

The F-35 was supposed to be the pinnacle, 5th gen fighter to go toe to toe with the latest MIG variant and the Chinese update version
That's not quite right but given the ignorance of the general media I can understand the confusion.

The easiest way to look at it is the F22 is the F15 replacement. It is the primary air-to-air fighter but costly. The primary mission is defense of the U.S.

The F35 is to be the F16 replacement. Basically less capable but cheaper so more plentiful (OK, no posts about cost overruns) and more of a general workhorse.

The F35 is a little brother to the F22.
You have it exactly right.

Forty three years in the defense industry, 30 years helping design avionics, HUD and helmet display systems including the F35 first gen primary display. One big 8x20 touch screen driven by two optical projection systems.

It's since been replaced with a single LCD system by one of our competitors which critics say lacks redundancy...
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Tsalagi
Apr 23 2016, 09:36 PM
70-101
Apr 23 2016, 03:02 PM
Apples and Oranges. We're rapidly moving away from both the F-22 and F-35 to pilotless fighters. Both of these fighters are the last of their kind, and in a decade, perhaps a little longer, both will be obsolete. Advance in Chinese and especially Russian sixth generation fighters that will most certainly be pilotless will see to that. In fact, the Russians have been working on pilotless technology since at least 2013 - in both the Mikoyan and Sukhoi aircraft bureaus. With the Antonov bureau working on pilotless military transports. Who's designs can and likely will be used by Russian civilian aircraft manufacturers such as Gazpromavia once the technolgy is perfected and released into the civilian market.
I still want a pilot behind the stick, to many thing can go wrong with hijacking a UCAV/UAV. I want a man who is trained to go with his gut on how the plane is flying, not on what his instruments or a computer back at the UCAV/UAV's laptop is telling it's operator, some young enlisted man who doesn't understand aeronautics, let alone dog fighting.

Military transports, civilian airlines are one thing...but what if something goes wrong, a UCAV/UAV operator can safely walk away from his desk. I want a man willing to do whatever is possible to get that plane down or over the target.

The Israelis are great fighter pilots precisely because I"m told that when we sell them this high priced fancy planes, they rip out a lot of the electronics, trusting in the pilot's capabilities, because that is what gets a pilot thru a dogfight, guts and skill in the xxxxpit. What good is it to have the ability. To lock in 10 miles out on your opponent when Israel may not even be 10 miles wide at the point an enemy MIG is coming in?
Point well taken, but the transition to pilotless aircraft is inevitable.
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70-101
Apr 26 2016, 04:26 PM
Tsalagi
Apr 23 2016, 09:36 PM
70-101
Apr 23 2016, 03:02 PM
Apples and Oranges. We're rapidly moving away from both the F-22 and F-35 to pilotless fighters. Both of these fighters are the last of their kind, and in a decade, perhaps a little longer, both will be obsolete. Advance in Chinese and especially Russian sixth generation fighters that will most certainly be pilotless will see to that. In fact, the Russians have been working on pilotless technology since at least 2013 - in both the Mikoyan and Sukhoi aircraft bureaus. With the Antonov bureau working on pilotless military transports. Who's designs can and likely will be used by Russian civilian aircraft manufacturers such as Gazpromavia once the technolgy is perfected and released into the civilian market.
I still want a pilot behind the stick, to many thing can go wrong with hijacking a UCAV/UAV. I want a man who is trained to go with his gut on how the plane is flying, not on what his instruments or a computer back at the UCAV/UAV's laptop is telling it's operator, some young enlisted man who doesn't understand aeronautics, let alone dog fighting.

Military transports, civilian airlines are one thing...but what if something goes wrong, a UCAV/UAV operator can safely walk away from his desk. I want a man willing to do whatever is possible to get that plane down or over the target.

The Israelis are great fighter pilots precisely because I"m told that when we sell them this high priced fancy planes, they rip out a lot of the electronics, trusting in the pilot's capabilities, because that is what gets a pilot thru a dogfight, guts and skill in the xxxxpit. What good is it to have the ability. To lock in 10 miles out on your opponent when Israel may not even be 10 miles wide at the point an enemy MIG is coming in?
Point well taken, but the transition to pilotless aircraft is inevitable.
With CUAVs, enlisted men, who were video game players, may be awarded Air Medals............... :biggrin:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Apr 23 2016, 03:02 PM
Apples and Oranges. We're rapidly moving away from both the F-22 and F-35 to pilotless fighters. Both of these fighters are the last of their kind, and in a decade, perhaps a little longer, both will be obsolete. Advance in Chinese and especially Russian sixth generation fighters that will most certainly be pilotless will see to that. In fact, the Russians have been working on pilotless technology since at least 2013 - in both the Mikoyan and Sukhoi aircraft bureaus. With the Antonov bureau working on pilotless military transports. Who's designs can and likely will be used by Russian civilian aircraft manufacturers such as Gazpromavia once the technolgy is perfected and released into the civilian market.

Wolf Blitzer is droning about the republicans and the democrats. Teddy bear told to strike. Waddle and dog. He’s eating alien sausage..lol..on his back with some random woman. That is the way we are in America get on our backs and our back is now turned to what our responsibilities are. Right now act like a food doll on the food network. Then you won’t need a caretaker because your body and remains are going to be so unbelievable torn that you won’t be able to get a grave even in no man’s land.

I am more intrigued by this video of a drone than any of the other videos on about UFOS and most of them are probably hoaxes and things but when you see a drone that rises your senses you know that they are real planes and that they can do some really bad things and that they don’t care what damage that they can cause, depending on the human operators, but they are really helpless to the plan. Real planes that I read about are always more interesting than seeing anything that could or could not be real.
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Attaburnsinhell
Apr 22 2016, 01:27 PM
Manned air to air combat is obsolete, these weapons programs, like the F35 are monumental wastes of money

Unmanned drones, with sophisticated missiles like the AIM can down another aircraft from up to 50 miles away, while being piloted from the ground in a military trailer halfway round the world in Florida. No G forces to contend with

As for ships, there are similar over the horizon missiles that can sink any of our seaborn dinosaurs, like the Sunburn or the Harpoon. Iran has a fleet of hundreds of small two man boats that can swarm one of our ships, each one carrying one of these type of missiles. All they need is one to get through
While I agree with you for the most part - I doubt a small boat can launch a sunburn missile.

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