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| W A Mozart | May 16 2016, 08:57 AM Post #41 |
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Now, enter the room quietly, grab a seat, no chewing gum (!), ...and pay attention to the lecture.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPzpPXuASY8 Mozart |
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| BuckFan | May 16 2016, 01:01 PM Post #42 |
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Why is it nonsense. There is more data supporting that number than anything you have posted. |
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| nNeo | May 16 2016, 01:40 PM Post #43 |
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Oh boy, a retired geographer thinks the greenhouse effect doesn't exist. Should we take his word for that, or trust 150 years of study based on physics and atmospheric chemistry? Ideologically based deniers are liars or fools, and increasingly irrelevant. |
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| Robert Stout | May 16 2016, 04:53 PM Post #44 |
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Scim reminds me of an advanced mathematics class I was in where all but two of the students thought that the correct answer was determined by democratic process..........
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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| Scim | May 16 2016, 09:40 PM Post #45 |
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Take a good sized, random sample of climate science papers and find a chunk of them that reject human-caused global warming. 97% is no surprise for someone who reads a lot of scientific work. It might be for someone who reads a lot of conspiracy blogs or mainstream news. Edited by Scim, May 16 2016, 09:41 PM.
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| jake58 | May 16 2016, 10:00 PM Post #46 |
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I remember the good old days when we were going to run out of landfill space in a few years. Said it before, when I see someone advocating population controls/declines I'll know this is serious. Until then, it's just another money grab... one degree in a hundred years... pshaw |
| That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens | |
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| Scim | May 16 2016, 10:03 PM Post #47 |
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Dr Tim Ball doesn't "believe" in the greenhouse effect even though it's measured at hundreds of places round the world every day and behaves just like physics says. Dr Tim Ball doesn't believe in measured facts. Do you think he's right? |
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| Scim | May 16 2016, 10:04 PM Post #48 |
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So you think tens of thousands of climate scientists are involved in an elaborate hoax? |
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| Drudge X | May 16 2016, 10:14 PM Post #49 |
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Hoax? Nah... more like job security. |
| Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind. | |
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| jake58 | May 16 2016, 10:17 PM Post #50 |
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No, I think they are over exaggerating the possible outcomes. I find their scenarios as plausible as Soviet crop reports or US deficit forecasts. And as I mentioned we can solve this little problem with a billion or 2 less inhabitants of the globe. Why is no one advocating for that? Edited by jake58, May 16 2016, 10:18 PM.
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| That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens | |
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| Scim | May 16 2016, 10:35 PM Post #51 |
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Because it's pretty clear that we can solve the problem by just developing poor countries while switching to less-polluting energy sources. Fertility is already falling in most countries so the only way to reduce population would be extreme and offensive to human dignity. Most people who want action on climate change support it because they care about people, and aside from a few things that many people tend to support anyway* further birth control isn't needed to tackle climate change. A smaller population would make it easier, but the way to get there is abhorrent and we can tackle climate change anyway. Most of us would say that sacrificing coal company profits is better than sacrificing reproductive rights. Some groups do push for this though (e.g. the Optimum Population Trust). And the comparison with Soviet crop reports isn't fair, because Soviet crop reports weren't based on physics, satellite measurements and other data that anyone has access to. *economic growth, availability of contraception, women's rights and education in poor countries all cut fertility. 40 years ago, the average Bangladeshi woman had almost 7 kids. Now they have just over 2. Vietnam, Thailand, Chile, Iran, Russia, Spain are all having too few babies to replace their parents. In many countries population growth is just because medicine makes us live longer, and that's a good thing. Edited by Scim, May 16 2016, 10:39 PM.
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| jake58 | May 16 2016, 11:11 PM Post #52 |
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No, it's not really clear... it's what the do gooders think should be done, 'cos 'morality.' You'd like to sacrifice coal company profits but apparently make no allowance for the tens of thousands of families who depend on coal to feed their families in the poorest section of our country. They don't really see it like you do. They'd like their jobs and the ability to make a living, some of them have even been to the inner cities and seen the 'success' of govt in areas where industry has left - an infantilized population with a sense of entitlement and no sense of how to earn a crust. China had mandated population controls for a generation. It certainly can be done, personal opinion can differ on whether the word 'abhorrent' applies. We still have a massive demographic problem in Africa and areas of the Middle East and SE Asia, where poor families seem to procreate in order to have an alternative to turkey around the holidays. Poor people should not be having masses of babies that they can't provide for - that's not even about economic and climatological realities, that's just common sense. If Bangladesh can do it via a govt program, so can Niger and Mali. Edited by jake58, May 16 2016, 11:12 PM.
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| That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens | |
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| estonianman | May 16 2016, 11:13 PM Post #53 |
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France already did their part for the environment by destroying their economy. |
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