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If ya gonna support progressives, make sure you have a stable place to live first
Topic Started: Apr 24 2016, 01:44 PM (930 Views)
Drudge X
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First they priced themselves of out a place to live. Their job is on the line next. The Bay Area is not like Oklahoma where builders can expand like building one subdivision after another.

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/23/11490758/oakland-housing-crisis
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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I’d say that this article is an indication that under the Obama administration the technology industry has greatly prospered and the housing market has totally recovered…
:hooray:
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coverpoint
Apr 24 2016, 01:50 PM
I’d say that this article is an indication that under the Obama administration the technology industry has greatly prospered and the housing market has totally recovered…
:hooray:
Of course, but didn't Obama and leftists always say, "what about the 99 percenters?"

Hope and change, only if you are the top one percenter. :cheers:
Edited by Drudge X, Apr 24 2016, 01:53 PM.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Bay area real estate prices are the market at work. Not sure what "progressive" has to do with it. It's classical microeconomics. The economy is booming. More money, increased quantity demanded, limited supply = higher prices.
“Strong people don’t need strong leaders.”
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coverpoint
Apr 24 2016, 01:50 PM
I’d say that this article is an indication that under the Obama administration the technology industry has greatly prospered and the housing market has totally recovered…
:hooray:
It's nothing to brag about from a progressive pov

The housing market hasn't really recovered, yet it's priced way above most younger buyers can afford, and it's no coincidence that places like SF, LA and NY are having exploding homeless numbers in their streets

This is part of out new Dystopia. It's where rich stiffs like the Clintons can rent apartments in NYC and the Hamptons for $200,000 a month, while the peasantry lay outside the gates
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nNeo
Apr 24 2016, 01:55 PM
Bay area real estate prices are the market at work. Not sure what "progressive" has to do with it. It's classical microeconomics. The economy is booming. More money, increased quantity demanded, limited supply = higher prices.
That's kind of the irony. If a city like Detroit is run by progressives, conservatives like Drudge whine and cry about how there are no jobs and housing is dirt cheap because no one wants to live there. But if a city like San Francisco is run by progressives, conservatives like Drudge whine about how the booming economy has led to overcrowding and housing prices are through the roof.

Basically if a progressive runs a city, conservatives like Drudge will find something to whine about.
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Attaburnsinhell
Apr 24 2016, 02:00 PM
coverpoint
Apr 24 2016, 01:50 PM
I’d say that this article is an indication that under the Obama administration the technology industry has greatly prospered and the housing market has totally recovered…
:hooray:
It's nothing to brag about from a progressive pov

The housing market hasn't really recovered, yet it's priced way above most younger buyers can afford, and it's no coincidence that places like SF, LA and NY are having exploding homeless numbers in their streets

This is part of out new Dystopia. It's where rich stiffs like the Clintons can rent apartments in NYC and the Hamptons for $200,000 a month, while the peasantry lay outside the gates
What do you suggest be done to get San Francisco housing costs to be priced so that "most young buyers" can afford it?
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coverpoint
Apr 24 2016, 03:43 PM
Attaburnsinhell
Apr 24 2016, 02:00 PM
coverpoint
Apr 24 2016, 01:50 PM
I’d say that this article is an indication that under the Obama administration the technology industry has greatly prospered and the housing market has totally recovered…
:hooray:
It's nothing to brag about from a progressive pov

The housing market hasn't really recovered, yet it's priced way above most younger buyers can afford, and it's no coincidence that places like SF, LA and NY are having exploding homeless numbers in their streets

This is part of out new Dystopia. It's where rich stiffs like the Clintons can rent apartments in NYC and the Hamptons for $200,000 a month, while the peasantry lay outside the gates
What do you suggest be done to get San Francisco housing costs to be priced so that "most young buyers" can afford it?
Tell 'em to cross the Bay Bridge and buy in Oakland ...

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Attaburnsinhell
Apr 24 2016, 02:00 PM
coverpoint
Apr 24 2016, 01:50 PM
I’d say that this article is an indication that under the Obama administration the technology industry has greatly prospered and the housing market has totally recovered…
:hooray:
It's nothing to brag about from a progressive pov

The housing market hasn't really recovered, yet it's priced way above most younger buyers can afford, and it's no coincidence that places like SF, LA and NY are having exploding homeless numbers in their streets

This is part of out new Dystopia. It's where rich stiffs like the Clintons can rent apartments in NYC and the Hamptons for $200,000 a month, while the peasantry lay outside the gates
Perhaps NYC, LA, and SF are overpopulated? You'd be surprised how quick real estate prices would drop after a few million were deported.
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nNeo
Apr 24 2016, 01:55 PM
Bay area real estate prices are the market at work. Not sure what "progressive" has to do with it. It's classical microeconomics. The economy is booming. More money, increased quantity demanded, limited supply = higher prices.
The prices are not the free market at work....the libs via onerous restrictions and regulations on development have created an artificial scarcity driving up costs much higher than they would be if the free market was allowed to work....
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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Apr 24 2016, 04:28 PM
nNeo
Apr 24 2016, 01:55 PM
Bay area real estate prices are the market at work. Not sure what "progressive" has to do with it. It's classical microeconomics. The economy is booming. More money, increased quantity demanded, limited supply = higher prices.
The prices are not the free market at work....the libs via onerous restrictions and regulations on development have created an artificial scarcity driving up costs much higher than they would be if the free market was allowed to work....
Have you been to San Francisco? There really is no where left to build.
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Apr 24 2016, 04:28 PM
nNeo
Apr 24 2016, 01:55 PM
Bay area real estate prices are the market at work. Not sure what "progressive" has to do with it. It's classical microeconomics. The economy is booming. More money, increased quantity demanded, limited supply = higher prices.
The prices are not the free market at work....the libs via onerous restrictions and regulations on development have created an artificial scarcity driving up costs much higher than they would be if the free market was allowed to work....
Where are you going to build in these cities? These metros were built out decades ago.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
#wallsnotwars
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Apr 24 2016, 04:29 PM
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Apr 24 2016, 04:28 PM
nNeo
Apr 24 2016, 01:55 PM
Bay area real estate prices are the market at work. Not sure what "progressive" has to do with it. It's classical microeconomics. The economy is booming. More money, increased quantity demanded, limited supply = higher prices.
The prices are not the free market at work....the libs via onerous restrictions and regulations on development have created an artificial scarcity driving up costs much higher than they would be if the free market was allowed to work....
Have you been to San Francisco? There really is no where left to build.
That's an excellent argument not to admit immigrants.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
#wallsnotwars
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Apr 24 2016, 04:23 PM
Perhaps NYC, LA, and SF are overpopulated? You'd be surprised how quick real estate prices would drop after a few million were deported.
Yes, I'd be very surprised if the most expensive real estate in the country was affected at all by deportations.
Are millions of millionaires going to be kicked out? That seems unlikely.
“Strong people don’t need strong leaders.”
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Apr 24 2016, 04:33 PM
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Apr 24 2016, 04:23 PM
Perhaps NYC, LA, and SF are overpopulated? You'd be surprised how quick real estate prices would drop after a few million were deported.
Yes, I'd be very surprised if the most expensive real estate in the country was affected at all by deportations.
Are millions of millionaires going to be kicked out? That seems unlikely.
I admit I find the idea that illegal immigrants, working for wages at the complete bottom of the scale, are causing overcrowding in San Francisco to be pretty ludicrous. They simply can't afford to live there.
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Apr 24 2016, 04:29 PM
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Apr 24 2016, 04:28 PM
nNeo
Apr 24 2016, 01:55 PM
Bay area real estate prices are the market at work. Not sure what "progressive" has to do with it. It's classical microeconomics. The economy is booming. More money, increased quantity demanded, limited supply = higher prices.
The prices are not the free market at work....the libs via onerous restrictions and regulations on development have created an artificial scarcity driving up costs much higher than they would be if the free market was allowed to work....
Have you been to San Francisco? There really is no where left to build.
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One of these barriers is the city’s rent control laws, which freeze prices for units built before 1979. This has burdened landlords who have to compete against those charging market rates, and caused the proliferation of under-maintained housing. It has also prevented new construction, since tenants living in these units cannot be removed, thereby delaying the wrecking ball on many buildings.

Another barrier is excessive tenants’ rights laws. If landlords wish to evict a tenant on “just cause”—a.k.a. bad behavior—they must issue multiple notices and endure lengthy litigation. If they wish to evict them on “no-fault causes,” they must pay thousands in relocation fees, and can do this only if planning to move into the apartment themselves. Such policies have spiked landlords’ business costs, which ultimately get passed down to tenants. And again, the lack of tenant turnover prevents property owners from demolishing older buildings and replacing them with new, higher-density uses.

A third barrier is the aforementioned affordability mandates on developers. If Proposition C got one thing right, it was recognizing that by decreasing such mandates, the city would actually increase the number of affordable units, since the relaxed standards would encourage builders to build. But this line of thinking hasn’t been pursued to its logical conclusion; instead, city development policy remains dominated by inclusionary zoning set-asides. For example, if developers build something with 10 or more units, they must ensure that 12% of them are affordable. These regulations have been found to discourage construction, and make market-rate housing more expensive.

However the biggest problem with San Francisco’s housing policy is that officials and citizens alike are hostile to new buildings, especially tall ones, even when they are built in appropriate locations. The most recent example is 8 Washington, a residential project proposed in the financial district. The lot where the building would go is now dominated by tennis courts, which are well below scale in comparison to the surrounding high-rises. The lot’s zoning allows for buildings, also below scale, of 84 feet. The developers wanted to increase this to 136 feet, and after much wrangling, got approval from city hall. But in response, a neighborhood group organized a petition, and now the rezoning will go up for vote next November. [8 Washington’s developers lost that vote, and by 2016, have yet to get the project approved.]


http://marketurbanism.com/2016/04/21/san-francisco-seeks-public-not-private-solutions-to-housing-crisis/
Edited by clone, Apr 24 2016, 04:40 PM.
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Changing one and two would likely increase prices. Three is speculative at best. Four is basically communities being able to decide their own standards, which they are unlikely to give up. So your argument, or that the one you've C&P'd, seems to be "make the place less desirable and you can pack more people in". That's never been a good long-term development strategy.
Edited by nNeo, Apr 24 2016, 04:46 PM.
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So, you're of the opinion that being able to evict people from their rent controlled apartments would make prices go down rather than just leaving more poor people on the streets while the wealthy scooped up the newly renovated apartments?

Well, ain't you a dreamer.
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Apr 24 2016, 04:36 PM
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Apr 24 2016, 04:33 PM
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Apr 24 2016, 04:23 PM
Perhaps NYC, LA, and SF are overpopulated? You'd be surprised how quick real estate prices would drop after a few million were deported.
Yes, I'd be very surprised if the most expensive real estate in the country was affected at all by deportations.
Are millions of millionaires going to be kicked out? That seems unlikely.
I admit I find the idea that illegal immigrants, working for wages at the complete bottom of the scale, are causing overcrowding in San Francisco to be pretty ludicrous. They simply can't afford to live there.
No one here accused either of you having a greater than high school level understanding of economics.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
#wallsnotwars
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Apr 24 2016, 04:47 PM
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Apr 24 2016, 04:33 PM

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I admit I find the idea that illegal immigrants, working for wages at the complete bottom of the scale, are causing overcrowding in San Francisco to be pretty ludicrous. They simply can't afford to live there.
No one here accused either of you having a greater than high school level understanding of economics.
And no one has accused you of having more than an elementary school mentality. But then some things go without saying.
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