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Here's a deal for you voting advocates
Topic Started: Apr 24 2016, 03:02 PM (1,534 Views)
estonianman
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Coast2coast
Apr 24 2016, 06:34 PM
estonianman
Apr 24 2016, 06:29 PM
Coast2coast
Apr 24 2016, 06:24 PM
Why are they sick?
Because you would penalize Americans for their lives, from the financially unfortunate that are rebuilding, through the elderly right down to the tragically infirmed.






and?

technically they will only vote to the party that gives out more of other people's stuff anyway.

Look at Sanders' strategy "free college" free healthcare" - do you think people that will eventually be forced to pay for this nonsense will vote for this?

I get the viability of democracy - but when the leeches start to cannibalize themselves society is over. We are only a couple percentage point away from 51%.
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estonianman
Apr 24 2016, 06:28 PM
Two a.m.
Apr 24 2016, 06:21 PM
estonianman
Apr 24 2016, 05:25 PM

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You can't have an objective system regardless. There is no such thing.

Everyone has some kind of interest in the government. Financial, legislative, regulatory, tax-related, ideological, political. Anywhere you decide to draw the line is essentially arbitrary.
The first good reply in this thread - I wish your rational thought process was emulated by your comrades, but alas ...

Its fair to say that a majority that do not receive cash handouts, subsidized loans or some other form of transfer payments might actually vote for less government.

Whether or not this your position is irrelevant - a healthy democracy begins with a diversity of opnions, no?
I think it is fine for you to express the opinion. I simply don't agree with it. But - unlike the increasingly prevalent safe space crowd in our society - other people's opinions don't frighten me. I love diversity of viewpoint. I'll discuss almost anything with almost anyone.

But that doesn't mean I'll agree with them.
"The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984
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Libertarians should not be allowed to vote
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Sunshine Superman
Apr 24 2016, 07:48 PM
Libertarians should not be allowed to vote
Cause they can't be bought for a malt liquor and a pack of smokes?
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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Sunshine Superman
Apr 24 2016, 07:48 PM
Libertarians should not be allowed to vote
If they do and they are true to their principles, they would write in their own names. Any other vote would be a personal betrayal.


Have you paid your internet taxes?
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Apr 24 2016, 07:57 PM
Sunshine Superman
Apr 24 2016, 07:48 PM
Libertarians should not be allowed to vote
If they do and they are true to their principles, they would write in their own names. Any other vote would be a personal betrayal.
Betrayal to what?
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estonianman
Apr 24 2016, 09:15 PM
CautionaryTales
Apr 24 2016, 07:57 PM
Sunshine Superman
Apr 24 2016, 07:48 PM
Libertarians should not be allowed to vote
If they do and they are true to their principles, they would write in their own names. Any other vote would be a personal betrayal.
Betrayal to what?
The Libertarian Party has failed to grow because each Libertarian believes they are the center of the universe............... :biggrin:
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estonianman
Apr 24 2016, 05:25 PM
Two a.m.
Apr 24 2016, 05:11 PM
Entire segments of society cannot be excluded from voting. Voting doesn't work that way.
Perhaps an incentive in this system to get off government welfare is that you can be allowed to partake in the voting process.

People that receive government benefits will always vote for more benefits. People that work for government will vote to fund thier jobs - not matter how useless it is.

You cannot have an objective system as long as this takes place.
You know, your methodology was similar to the Founding Fathers, who pretty much felt that only landed "Men of Worth" using the common vernacular were fit to govern. Who know you were a Statist?
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Apr 24 2016, 11:04 PM
estonianman
Apr 24 2016, 05:25 PM
Two a.m.
Apr 24 2016, 05:11 PM
Entire segments of society cannot be excluded from voting. Voting doesn't work that way.
Perhaps an incentive in this system to get off government welfare is that you can be allowed to partake in the voting process.

People that receive government benefits will always vote for more benefits. People that work for government will vote to fund thier jobs - not matter how useless it is.

You cannot have an objective system as long as this takes place.
You know, your methodology was similar to the Founding Fathers, who pretty much felt that only landed "Men of Worth" using the common vernacular were fit to govern. Who know you were a Statist?
Just floating this idea for the board comrade.

My personal philosophy isn't relevant here.
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estonianman
Apr 24 2016, 11:05 PM
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You know, your methodology was similar to the Founding Fathers, who pretty much felt that only landed "Men of Worth" using the common vernacular were fit to govern. Who know you were a Statist?
Just floating this idea for the board comrade.

My personal philosophy isn't relevant here.
Oh sure it's revelant here...you rail against Statism, but you advocate it's use in this instance/
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esto is a slippery one, I'll give him that.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Apr 24 2016, 11:07 PM
estonianman
Apr 24 2016, 11:05 PM
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Just floating this idea for the board comrade.

My personal philosophy isn't relevant here.
Oh sure it's revelant here...you rail against Statism, but you advocate it's use in this instance/
Of course I rail against statism. Just playing by your rules for this hypothetical scenario.

Edited by estonianman, Apr 25 2016, 12:10 AM.
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Apr 24 2016, 11:20 PM
esto is a slippery one, I'll give him that.
With children - sometimes its better just to play pretend.
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estonianman
Apr 25 2016, 12:11 AM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 24 2016, 11:20 PM
esto is a slippery one, I'll give him that.
With children - sometimes its better just to play pretend.
It does seem that the only concrete point you make is that you do not like paying taxes.
Everything else seems rather nebulous.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Apr 25 2016, 12:17 AM
estonianman
Apr 25 2016, 12:11 AM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 24 2016, 11:20 PM
esto is a slippery one, I'll give him that.
With children - sometimes its better just to play pretend.
It does seem that the only concrete point you make is that you do not like paying taxes.
Everything else seems rather nebulous.
Paying taxes is bulls**t.

I would never vote to submit any of you to raised taxes.

Word.
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Apr 24 2016, 11:04 PM
estonianman
Apr 24 2016, 05:25 PM
Two a.m.
Apr 24 2016, 05:11 PM
Entire segments of society cannot be excluded from voting. Voting doesn't work that way.
Perhaps an incentive in this system to get off government welfare is that you can be allowed to partake in the voting process.

People that receive government benefits will always vote for more benefits. People that work for government will vote to fund thier jobs - not matter how useless it is.

You cannot have an objective system as long as this takes place.
You know, your methodology was similar to the Founding Fathers, who pretty much felt that only landed "Men of Worth" using the common vernacular were fit to govern. Who know you were a Statist?
So you disagree with my premise? like a race horse getting broken, pretty soon you'll be moderator over there on shortbus.com.
Edited by estonianman, Apr 25 2016, 12:35 AM.
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estonianman
Apr 25 2016, 12:33 AM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 25 2016, 12:17 AM
estonianman
Apr 25 2016, 12:11 AM

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It does seem that the only concrete point you make is that you do not like paying taxes.
Everything else seems rather nebulous.
Paying taxes is bulls**t.

I would never vote to submit any of you to raised taxes.

Word.
Why not give the leftist a taste of their own medicine? It's time to tax ebts.
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Don't mind esto, his mom won't let him out of the basement again so he has to vent somehow.

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estonianman
Apr 25 2016, 12:33 AM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 25 2016, 12:17 AM
estonianman
Apr 25 2016, 12:11 AM

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It does seem that the only concrete point you make is that you do not like paying taxes.
Everything else seems rather nebulous.
Paying taxes is bulls**t.

I would never vote to submit any of you to raised taxes.

Word.
I get it..heck, I would rather lick a toilet clean than hear a another Maroon 5 song ever again..but hey, its the world we live in. :dunno:
Edited by Mr. Tik, Apr 25 2016, 02:48 AM.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Apr 25 2016, 02:47 AM
estonianman
Apr 25 2016, 12:33 AM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 25 2016, 12:17 AM

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Paying taxes is bulls**t.

I would never vote to submit any of you to raised taxes.

Word.
I get it..heck, I would rather lick a toilet clean than hear a another Maroon 5 song ever again..but hey, its the world we live in. :dunno:
Said the slave owner to the slave
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