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Why Obama Will Go Down as One of the Greatest Presidents of All Time
Topic Started: Apr 26 2016, 08:09 PM (2,571 Views)
Mr. Tik
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Right-Wing
Apr 26 2016, 11:27 PM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 26 2016, 11:17 PM
Wait a minute, right wing..we have had many debates where you didn't think wages should be waged because the companies have to look out for the investors...you have some change of heart of what? Are you going "lib" on us?
I've never said such a thing. I have consistently said that I didn't believe in minimum wages or unions but I do believe in strong borders and protecting American based jobs from cheap foreign labor. Not a totally free-market position...but mostly such.
and yet you defended Walmart's low wages for workers being subsidized by gubmint assistance
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Apr 26 2016, 11:26 PM
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Apr 26 2016, 11:20 PM
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Apr 26 2016, 11:17 PM

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Dude..if you want to act like some adolescent locker room jock boy..go ply your crap on reddit..seriously.
Im treating conservatives with the respect that I believe they deserve. You are free do disagree.
No..you are being an immature douchebag
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Apr 26 2016, 11:29 PM
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Apr 26 2016, 11:26 PM
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Apr 26 2016, 11:23 PM
That's real nice right wing..instead of countering my argument..you resort to your usual partisan butthurt..are you having a bad day..would a hug help?
Argue with the LA Times...

High deportation figures are misleading

WASHINGTON — Immigration activists have sharply criticized President Obama for a rising volume of deportations, labeling him the "deporter in chief" and staging large protests that have harmed his standing with some Latinos, a key group of voters for Democrats.
But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.
Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.
On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html
"Obama’s interior removal statistics show a downward trend beginning in 2012 through to 2014. The Obama administration has also focused immigration enforcement on criminal offenders (not all unlawful immigrants are criminals) but the data is a little difficult to disentangle for 2014 so I left it out of this blog post – stay tuned for a future one on that topic.

The Obama administration has clearly not gutted interior immigration enforcement as their 2014 figures for interior removals are higher than they were for every year of the Bush administration except for 2007 and 2008. "

http://www.cato.org/blog/interpreting-new-deportation-statistics
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Adolph Hipster
Apr 26 2016, 11:32 PM
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Apr 26 2016, 11:27 PM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 26 2016, 11:17 PM
Wait a minute, right wing..we have had many debates where you didn't think wages should be waged because the companies have to look out for the investors...you have some change of heart of what? Are you going "lib" on us?
I've never said such a thing. I have consistently said that I didn't believe in minimum wages or unions but I do believe in strong borders and protecting American based jobs from cheap foreign labor. Not a totally free-market position...but mostly such.
and yet you defended Walmart's low wages for workers being subsidized by gubmint assistance
Are you under the impression that I am in favor of welfare benefits for able bodied people?
Donald Trump is Barack Obama's President!
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Apr 26 2016, 11:41 PM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 26 2016, 11:32 PM
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Apr 26 2016, 11:27 PM

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and yet you defended Walmart's low wages for workers being subsidized by gubmint assistance
Are you under the impression that I am in favor of welfare benefits for able bodied people?
You defended walmart paying their workers crap wages...wages that are supplemented by snap and other programs.

And when I demonstrated similar companies who actually pay their workers decent wages..you got all snippy about it

What conclusion should I infer from that?
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Apr 26 2016, 11:36 PM
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Argue with the LA Times...

High deportation figures are misleading

WASHINGTON — Immigration activists have sharply criticized President Obama for a rising volume of deportations, labeling him the "deporter in chief" and staging large protests that have harmed his standing with some Latinos, a key group of voters for Democrats.
But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.
Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.
On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html
"Obama’s interior removal statistics show a downward trend beginning in 2012 through to 2014. The Obama administration has also focused immigration enforcement on criminal offenders (not all unlawful immigrants are criminals) but the data is a little difficult to disentangle for 2014 so I left it out of this blog post – stay tuned for a future one on that topic.

The Obama administration has clearly not gutted interior immigration enforcement as their 2014 figures for interior removals are higher than they were for every year of the Bush administration except for 2007 and 2008. "

http://www.cato.org/blog/interpreting-new-deportation-statistics
A pretty picture to go with your CATO quote

Posted Image

So Bush ramped up the deportations and Obama is now letting them slide...

How about some recent quotes from the President of the National Border Patrol Council

"Simply put the new policy makes mandatory the release, without a NTA [Notice to Appear], of any person arrested by the Border Patrol for being in the country illegally, as long as they don't have a previous felony arrest and conviction and as long as they claim to been continuously in the United States since January of 2014,"

"Not only do we release these individuals that by law are subject to removal proceedings, we do it without any means of tracking their whereabouts. Agents believe this exploitable policy was set in place because DHS was embarrassed at the sheer number of those who choose not to follow the law by showing up for their court appearances. In essence, we pull these persons out of the shadows and into the light just to release them right back to those same shadows from whence they came,"

"Immigration laws today appear to be mere suggestions," as there are "little or no consequences for breaking the laws, and that fact is well known in other countries,"

"If government agencies like DHS or CBP are allowed to bypass Congress by legislating through policy, we might as well abolish our immigration laws altogether."

http://www.hngn.com/articles/176857/20160206/immigration-agent-told-release-illegal-immigrants-fired.htm
Edited by Right-Wing, Apr 26 2016, 11:53 PM.
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Apr 26 2016, 11:45 PM
Right-Wing
Apr 26 2016, 11:41 PM
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Apr 26 2016, 11:32 PM

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Are you under the impression that I am in favor of welfare benefits for able bodied people?
You defended walmart paying their workers crap wages...wages that are supplemented by snap and other programs.

And when I demonstrated similar companies who actually pay their workers decent wages..you got all snippy about it

What conclusion should I infer from that?
I think you got the wrong guy Tik...

If other companies pay their employees more...great more power to all of them!
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Obama will go down in history as our first black President....Nothing more.............. :oyvey
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Robert Stout
Apr 26 2016, 11:54 PM
Obama will go down in history as our first black President....Nothing more.............. :oyvey
Obama's so bad the blacks are saying he's just 1/2 black :rotflmao:
Edited by Right-Wing, Apr 27 2016, 12:02 AM.
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Apr 26 2016, 11:51 PM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 26 2016, 11:36 PM
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Apr 26 2016, 11:29 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://blogs.reuters.com/data-dive/2015/02/25/tracking-obamas-deportation-numbers/High deportation figures are misleading

WASHINGTON — Immigration activists have sharply criticized President Obama for a rising volume of deportations, labeling him the "deporter in chief" and staging large protests that have harmed his standing with some Latinos, a key group of voters for Democrats.
But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.
Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.
On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html
"Obama’s interior removal statistics show a downward trend beginning in 2012 through to 2014. The Obama administration has also focused immigration enforcement on criminal offenders (not all unlawful immigrants are criminals) but the data is a little difficult to disentangle for 2014 so I left it out of this blog post – stay tuned for a future one on that topic.

The Obama administration has clearly not gutted interior immigration enforcement as their 2014 figures for interior removals are higher than they were for every year of the Bush administration except for 2007 and 2008. "

http://www.cato.org/blog/interpreting-new-deportation-statistics
A pretty picture to go with your CATO quote

Posted Image

So Bush ramped up the deportations and Obama is now letting them slide...

How about some recent quotes from the President of the National Border Patrol Council

"Simply put the new policy makes mandatory the release, without a NTA [Notice to Appear], of any person arrested by the Border Patrol for being in the country illegally, as long as they don't have a previous felony arrest and conviction and as long as they claim to been continuously in the United States since January of 2014,"

"Not only do we release these individuals that by law are subject to removal proceedings, we do it without any means of tracking their whereabouts. Agents believe this exploitable policy was set in place because DHS was embarrassed at the sheer number of those who choose not to follow the law by showing up for their court appearances. In essence, we pull these persons out of the shadows and into the light just to release them right back to those same shadows from whence they came,"

"Immigration laws today appear to be mere suggestions," as there are "little or no consequences for breaking the laws, and that fact is well known in other countries,"

"If government agencies like DHS or CBP are allowed to bypass Congress by legislating through policy, we might as well abolish our immigration laws altogether."

http://www.hngn.com/articles/176857/20160206/immigration-agent-told-release-illegal-immigrants-fired.htm
Be that as it may..it certainly doesnt live up to your open borders hype
And really..the situation is for more complicated than right wing talking points

A study by the Center for American Progress, a Washington think-tank, estimates that it would cost $285 billion over 5 years to deport all of the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants currently in the country. Even without considering the costs, there are obvious consequences of deporting millions of members of US society as many undocumented immigrants have families who are legal US residents; families are regularly torn apart because a father or a mother is an undocumented migrant but their children are US citizens. Moreover, from an economic standpoint, undocumented migrants are estimated to constitute around 5 percent of the US workforce. Losing these workers would be a big hit to the US economy.[3]

The realistic possibility of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) actually deporting so many people is highly unlikely. With an annual budget of around 70 billion, the president must make decisions about how to best enforce federal policy under budgetary restraints.[4] Immigration court backlog has also strained the enforcement of immigration laws. Immigration court funding and the number of judges have remained stagnant, despite a massive increase in the number of cases in the system.[5]

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/28939-the-obama-administration-and-immigration-policy-the-immigration-enforcement-record-in-recent-years
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Apr 26 2016, 11:53 PM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 26 2016, 11:45 PM
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You defended walmart paying their workers crap wages...wages that are supplemented by snap and other programs.<br /><br />And when I demonstrated similar companies who actually pay their workers decent wages..you got all snippy about it<br /><br />What conclusion should I infer from that?
I think you got the wrong guy Tik...<br /><br />If other companies pay their employees more...great more power to all of them!
that wasn't your tone in our last debate
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Robert Stout
Apr 26 2016, 11:54 PM
Obama will go down in history as our first black President....Nothing more.............. :oyvey
Somehow I doubt that

Trump will go down like Ross Perot or some other novelty candidate.
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Apr 27 2016, 12:04 AM
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Apr 26 2016, 11:51 PM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 26 2016, 11:36 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://blogs.reuters.com/data-dive/2015/02/25/tracking-obamas-deportation-numbers/High deportation figures are misleading

WASHINGTON — Immigration activists have sharply criticized President Obama for a rising volume of deportations, labeling him the "deporter in chief" and staging large protests that have harmed his standing with some Latinos, a key group of voters for Democrats.
But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.
Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.
On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.htmlhttp://www.cato.org/blog/interpreting-new-deportation-statistics
A pretty picture to go with your CATO quote

Posted Image

So Bush ramped up the deportations and Obama is now letting them slide...

How about some recent quotes from the President of the National Border Patrol Council

"Simply put the new policy makes mandatory the release, without a NTA [Notice to Appear], of any person arrested by the Border Patrol for being in the country illegally, as long as they don't have a previous felony arrest and conviction and as long as they claim to been continuously in the United States since January of 2014,"

"Not only do we release these individuals that by law are subject to removal proceedings, we do it without any means of tracking their whereabouts. Agents believe this exploitable policy was set in place because DHS was embarrassed at the sheer number of those who choose not to follow the law by showing up for their court appearances. In essence, we pull these persons out of the shadows and into the light just to release them right back to those same shadows from whence they came,"

"Immigration laws today appear to be mere suggestions," as there are "little or no consequences for breaking the laws, and that fact is well known in other countries,"

"If government agencies like DHS or CBP are allowed to bypass Congress by legislating through policy, we might as well abolish our immigration laws altogether."

http://www.hngn.com/articles/176857/20160206/immigration-agent-told-release-illegal-immigrants-fired.htm
Be that as it may..it certainly doesnt live up to your open borders hype
And really..the situation is for more complicated than right wing talking points

A study by the Center for American Progress, a Washington think-tank, estimates that it would cost $285 billion over 5 years to deport all of the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants currently in the country. Even without considering the costs, there are obvious consequences of deporting millions of members of US society as many undocumented immigrants have families who are legal US residents; families are regularly torn apart because a father or a mother is an undocumented migrant but their children are US citizens. Moreover, from an economic standpoint, undocumented migrants are estimated to constitute around 5 percent of the US workforce. Losing these workers would be a big hit to the US economy.[3]

The realistic possibility of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) actually deporting so many people is highly unlikely. With an annual budget of around 70 billion, the president must make decisions about how to best enforce federal policy under budgetary restraints.[4] Immigration court backlog has also strained the enforcement of immigration laws. Immigration court funding and the number of judges have remained stagnant, despite a massive increase in the number of cases in the system.[5]

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/28939-the-obama-administration-and-immigration-policy-the-immigration-enforcement-record-in-recent-years
Please don't use outfits like the "Center for American Progress" and "Truth-Out" to bolster your arguments...it's seriously beneath you.
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Here's the real reason. The white population is on the decline and the nonwhite is on the increase.
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I think you got the wrong guy Tik...<br /><br />If other companies pay their employees more...great more power to all of them!
that wasn't your tone in our last debate
Tik...you got the wrong guy. I'm happy when people make more money...without unions and ridiculous minimum wages.
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Apr 26 2016, 11:54 PM
Obama will go down in history as our first black President....Nothing more.............. :oyvey
Somehow I doubt that

Trump will go down like Ross Perot or some other novelty candidate.
You have not understood the Trump thing since the beginning...He is the embodiment of the peoples dissatisfaction with business as usual...Admit it, you are completely befuddled by his success so far...That is probably because you are enamored by the current establishment and high on pot............... :lol:
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Trump will represent a turn from the left/right paradigm to a nationalist vs globalist paradigm in politics.
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History will record the time of President's Obama's administration as a time when an opposition Party and historically least productive Congress worked in opposition for the sole purpose of delegitimizing a sitting President regardless of the actual best interests of the country.

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Apr 27 2016, 01:54 AM
History will record the time of President's Obama's administration as a time when an opposition Party and historically least productive Congress worked in opposition for the sole purpose of delegitimizing a sitting President regardless of the actual best interests of the country.

So Obama is an ineffective President due to Congress ???....That may mean he will be remembered in the history books as a real loser....Unable to unite the country............... :lol:
Edited by Robert Stout, Apr 27 2016, 06:12 AM.
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thwlruss
Apr 26 2016, 11:11 PM
Destroying the GOP will be Obama's greatest achievement. Lincoln was elevated to greatness after destroying the Confederacy and FDR was elevated to greatness after defeating Nazi Germany - Obama did it without firing a shot.
When you put it like that, he sounds Reaganesque..


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