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Why Obama Will Go Down as One of the Greatest Presidents of All Time
Topic Started: Apr 26 2016, 08:09 PM (2,570 Views)
ringotuna
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Coast2coast
Apr 27 2016, 01:54 AM
History will record the time of President's Obama's administration as a time when an opposition Party and historically least productive Congress worked in opposition for the sole purpose of delegitimizing a sitting President regardless of the actual best interests of the country.

I'm just glad there were a responsible Republican majority to 'obstruct' Obama from going full blown commie. :biggrin:
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Not often you see 'responsible republican Majority' all together in one sentence ... you been in the peyote again?
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wilmywood8455
Apr 27 2016, 06:56 AM
Not often you see 'responsible republican Majority' all together in one sentence ... you been in the peyote again?
One man's "obstruction" is another mans disaster prevention. :biggrin:
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It's the responsible part I took notice of LOL
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wilmywood8455
Apr 27 2016, 07:14 AM
It's the responsible part I took notice of LOL
And they say I'M a nitpicker. :lol:
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ringotuna
Apr 27 2016, 07:20 AM
wilmywood8455
Apr 27 2016, 07:14 AM
It's the responsible part I took notice of LOL
And they say I'M a nitpicker. :lol:
You're a nitpicker...
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Attaburnsinhell

I'd take a slow but steady recovery over a boom to bust economy.

Republicans are always coming up with get rich quick economic schemes that are backloaded with recessions. Tax cuts flood the rich with extra cash, they dump it into the investment markets, they overheat, become overvalued, they deflate at high speed, dragging the rest of the economy with it
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Apr 27 2016, 07:26 AM
ringotuna
Apr 27 2016, 07:20 AM
wilmywood8455
Apr 27 2016, 07:14 AM
It's the responsible part I took notice of LOL
And they say I'M a nitpicker. :lol:
You're a nitpicker...
I was going to ask ringo who 'they' was, and here you are :biggrin:

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Attaburnsinhell
Apr 27 2016, 07:41 AM
I'd take a slow but steady recovery over a boom to bust economy.

Republicans are always coming up with get rich quick economic schemes that are backloaded with recessions. Tax cuts flood the rich with extra cash, they dump it into the investment markets, they overheat, become overvalued, they deflate at high speed, dragging the rest of the economy with it
Sure Atta, only Republicans are trying this get rich quick scheme. Glad you nailed it.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Obama may not go down in history as one of our greatest Presidents, but I am confident that history will look back on George W. Bush and conclude that he as slightly worse than Hoover.
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Robert Stout
Apr 27 2016, 12:20 AM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 27 2016, 12:06 AM
Robert Stout
Apr 26 2016, 11:54 PM
Obama will go down in history as our first black President....Nothing more.............. :oyvey
Somehow I doubt that

Trump will go down like Ross Perot or some other novelty candidate.
You have not understood the Trump thing since the beginning...He is the embodiment of the peoples dissatisfaction with business as usual...Admit it, you are completely befuddled by his success so far...That is probably because you are enamored by the current establishment and high on pot............... :lol:
I understand that Trump is the embodiment of everything that is tacky, trite, narcissistic, shallow, vapid and venal of American pop culture.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Adolph Hipster
Apr 27 2016, 06:13 PM
Robert Stout
Apr 27 2016, 12:20 AM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 27 2016, 12:06 AM

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You have not understood the Trump thing since the beginning...He is the embodiment of the peoples dissatisfaction with business as usual...Admit it, you are completely befuddled by his success so far...That is probably because you are enamored by the current establishment and high on pot............... :lol:
I understand that Trump is the embodiment of everything that is tacky, trite, narcissistic, shallow, vapid and venal of American pop culture.
Yes we can....
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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I say that big talk's worth doodly-squat
Adolph Hipster
Apr 27 2016, 12:04 AM
Right-Wing
Apr 26 2016, 11:51 PM
Adolph Hipster
Apr 26 2016, 11:36 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://blogs.reuters.com/data-dive/2015/02/25/tracking-obamas-deportation-numbers/High deportation figures are misleading

WASHINGTON — Immigration activists have sharply criticized President Obama for a rising volume of deportations, labeling him the "deporter in chief" and staging large protests that have harmed his standing with some Latinos, a key group of voters for Democrats.
But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.
Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.
On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.htmlhttp://www.cato.org/blog/interpreting-new-deportation-statistics
A pretty picture to go with your CATO quote

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So Bush ramped up the deportations and Obama is now letting them slide...

How about some recent quotes from the President of the National Border Patrol Council

"Simply put the new policy makes mandatory the release, without a NTA [Notice to Appear], of any person arrested by the Border Patrol for being in the country illegally, as long as they don't have a previous felony arrest and conviction and as long as they claim to been continuously in the United States since January of 2014,"

"Not only do we release these individuals that by law are subject to removal proceedings, we do it without any means of tracking their whereabouts. Agents believe this exploitable policy was set in place because DHS was embarrassed at the sheer number of those who choose not to follow the law by showing up for their court appearances. In essence, we pull these persons out of the shadows and into the light just to release them right back to those same shadows from whence they came,"

"Immigration laws today appear to be mere suggestions," as there are "little or no consequences for breaking the laws, and that fact is well known in other countries,"

"If government agencies like DHS or CBP are allowed to bypass Congress by legislating through policy, we might as well abolish our immigration laws altogether."

http://www.hngn.com/articles/176857/20160206/immigration-agent-told-release-illegal-immigrants-fired.htm
Be that as it may..it certainly doesnt live up to your open borders hype
And really..the situation is for more complicated than right wing talking points

A study by the Center for American Progress, a Washington think-tank, estimates that it would cost $285 billion over 5 years to deport all of the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants currently in the country. Even without considering the costs, there are obvious consequences of deporting millions of members of US society as many undocumented immigrants have families who are legal US residents; families are regularly torn apart because a father or a mother is an undocumented migrant but their children are US citizens. Moreover, from an economic standpoint, undocumented migrants are estimated to constitute around 5 percent of the US workforce. Losing these workers would be a big hit to the US economy.[3]

The realistic possibility of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) actually deporting so many people is highly unlikely. With an annual budget of around 70 billion, the president must make decisions about how to best enforce federal policy under budgetary restraints.[4] Immigration court backlog has also strained the enforcement of immigration laws. Immigration court funding and the number of judges have remained stagnant, despite a massive increase in the number of cases in the system.[5]

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/28939-the-obama-administration-and-immigration-policy-the-immigration-enforcement-record-in-recent-years
tik, tell me you ain't really a believin the numbers in yur post???

Gud Lawd!!! Back when the the usurpin moozlum was runnin for his first term the number thrown out casually by the feds regardin mojado's was 8 million, the next year, it was 10 an now the current numbers are 12 and those numbers we're bull shat then just as they are now!!!

30 million at the end of W's term, at the very least and those are just the hispanics, just look around!!! You cain't go anywhere in the states an go a whole day an not see a mojado!!!

Now about the 285 billion ta relocate 11 million people, really??? you actually believe that???

No wonder the pantsuits winnin!!!
Endeavor to Persevere!!!
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I say that big talk's worth doodly-squat
What really get's me about illegal immigration in the 21st century is, the illegals are payin thar way ta get smuggled here an it ain't cheap!!! They ain't walkin across the border an then walkin ta phoenix or san antone, houston, baton rouge or birmingham, thar payin for a transportation an again, it ain't cheap!!!

Somebody's makin some mighty big dollars in human traffikin!!!
Endeavor to Persevere!!!
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grannyhawkins
Apr 27 2016, 09:35 PM
What really get's me about illegal immigration in the 21st century is, the illegals are payin thar way ta get smuggled here an it ain't cheap!!! They ain't walkin across the border an then walkin ta phoenix or san antone, houston, baton rouge or birmingham, thar payin for a transportation an again, it ain't cheap!!!

Somebody's makin some mighty big dollars in human traffikin!!!
"They ain't walkin across the border an then walkin ta phoenix or san antone, houston, baton rouge or birmingham, thar payin for a transportation an again, it ain't cheap!!!"

You got that right!

In fact, almost half of the undocumented workers entered the US legally on work visas and have overstayed their permit. They came in by car, bus or plane across the border through immigration checkpoints like thousands do every day.

Makes you wonder about building that expensive wall…
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coverpoint
Apr 27 2016, 09:58 PM
grannyhawkins
Apr 27 2016, 09:35 PM
What really get's me about illegal immigration in the 21st century is, the illegals are payin thar way ta get smuggled here an it ain't cheap!!! They ain't walkin across the border an then walkin ta phoenix or san antone, houston, baton rouge or birmingham, thar payin for a transportation an again, it ain't cheap!!!

Somebody's makin some mighty big dollars in human traffikin!!!
"They ain't walkin across the border an then walkin ta phoenix or san antone, houston, baton rouge or birmingham, thar payin for a transportation an again, it ain't cheap!!!"

You got that right!

In fact, almost half of the undocumented workers entered the US legally on work visas and have overstayed their permit. They came in by car, bus or plane across the border through immigration checkpoints like thousands do every day.

Makes you wonder about building that expensive wall…
Building a wall (virtual or otherwise) and tracking down visa overstayers are not mutually exclusive. At least with the overstayers we know who they are, we have photographs of them and we have supposedly done a cursory background check on them and then decided to allow them into the country. The same cannot be said about those coming up through our southern border.
Edited by Right-Wing, Apr 27 2016, 10:13 PM.
Donald Trump is Barack Obama's President!
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Apr 27 2016, 06:33 AM
thwlruss
Apr 26 2016, 11:11 PM
Destroying the GOP will be Obama's greatest achievement. Lincoln was elevated to greatness after destroying the Confederacy and FDR was elevated to greatness after defeating Nazi Germany - Obama did it without firing a shot.
When you put it like that, he sounds Reaganesque..
Reagan just goes to prove you can be a great President if you are senile.............. :rollseyes:
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Apr 26 2016, 08:36 PM
Yeahhhh....not feeling it....I mean, he's been an ok President, give him credit for trying to resolve some long running problems....but Great? Nope...He'll never have been a JFK, and nor Johnson, argument could certainly be made against Carter and Clinton...but yeah...to far a stretch against FDR
I disagree. They will look at the numbers Obama came in with and compare them to when he leaves office and then decide whether he was a good president or not.

Unemployment, stock market, job creation, healthcare coverage, soldier deaths, terrorism related deaths, deficits and world opinion are just some of the many metrics historians will compare. In all of those metrics, Obama beats, or greatly exceeds year 1 vs year 8 numbers. The only negative might be the debt, but they'll look at the trillion dollar deficit Bush left Obama, along with Obama going leading the country through the greatest economic collapse since the great depression and will probably give him a pass on that.

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Obama did pretty much nothing for the last 8 years
MEEK AND MILD
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Meh, Obama was average, maybe slightly above average. Part of the problem was he was too much republican lite/conservative/Bill clinton middle(ish) way like, and also has had an obstructionist congress for a period of time.

That said, comparing him to Bush...he was a freaking miracle.
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