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| It Begins:; Watch Cops Drag Girl Out Of NC Bathroom For “Not Looking Like A Woman” | |
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| jazzyjeff | Apr 28 2016, 03:40 PM Post #41 |
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My reference to molesters was based on those writing and supporting bathroom restrictions are basing it on the belief that any man (non-trans) could dress up, enter the ladies room and molest. That potential has always been there with or without laws. I agree with your solution but evidently the law makers that supported the NC laws do not. Otherwise it would of been written into the law. The fact of the matter is they view it as an expense they do not want to pass on to the tax-payers. Edited by jazzyjeff, Apr 28 2016, 03:42 PM.
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 28 2016, 03:42 PM Post #42 |
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This is a law looking for a problem to,solve. It's not about any real affront, just political posturing. |
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| jazzyjeff | Apr 28 2016, 03:44 PM Post #43 |
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Exactly. What it comes down to, is the social cons lost the gay marriage battle and are looking for any crumbs they can get. |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 28 2016, 04:02 PM Post #44 |
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Flipping figurative birds at folks is no way to make friends. |
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| Demagogue | Apr 28 2016, 04:02 PM Post #45 |
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1. The concern is not that some non trans perv could play dress up. The way some of the ordinances, which these laws seek to combat have been written, you would not have to dress up at all. A guy could go into the women's room just dressed like a guy and nobody would be able to deny him so long as he claimed that he was feeling like a woman today. This is what I was referring to with loosely written laws/ordinances intended to protect transgender people. 2. The law in NC is badly written and needs to be revoked and replaced with something that makes sense logically. 3. My suggested solution is what I think the law like the one in NC and other places should be replaced with. Edited by Demagogue, Apr 28 2016, 04:03 PM.
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| Demagogue | Apr 28 2016, 04:05 PM Post #46 |
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In the case of the NC law is actually legislation that was intended to combat an ordinance that was written too loosely. At some point the NC law went off the rails and became just as bad as the badly written ordinances just in the opposite direction. So the ordinance which allowed anyone to use any restroom went too far in one direction and NC HB2 went too far in the other. Also, what is a poor hermaphrodite supposed to do? Is there even a place to put hermaphrodite on a birth certificate? Edited by Demagogue, Apr 28 2016, 04:08 PM.
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 28 2016, 04:05 PM Post #47 |
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There is an even simpler and cheaper solution for business. Remove the signage that designates restrooms by sex altogether. |
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| Demagogue | Apr 28 2016, 04:09 PM Post #48 |
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That would work with restrooms that only had stalls and it was part of my suggestion for small businesses which typically only have one or two restrooms that are usually just a stall. Large restrooms in places like stadiums where essentially the guys have a trough they can all go piss in are a different story. Most folks would not want their female children going in there. |
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| Opinionated | Apr 28 2016, 04:18 PM Post #49 |
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The thing is, transgender people have been self selecting their bathrooms for as long as there have been transgender people. And it basically hasn't been an issue. |
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| Demagogue | Apr 28 2016, 04:19 PM Post #50 |
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I tend to agree. So why was there a need for ordinances declaring that any person could choose at any time what bathroom they should use? |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 28 2016, 04:21 PM Post #51 |
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The Dads or Mothers could freely chaperone their kids in either restroom. Voila! A solution to the non problem! |
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| Demagogue | Apr 28 2016, 04:30 PM Post #52 |
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So wait, now because of one infinitesimally small special interest group you want to put parents in a situation where they can never feel comfortable allowing their child to go to a restroom alone. Fascinating. I think I would rather just set aside a couple gender neutral restrooms for those who are not obviously male or female and leave everything else as is. |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 28 2016, 04:32 PM Post #53 |
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You want a non problem solved, you gotta go the full nine yards for the full non solution |
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| Demagogue | Apr 28 2016, 04:39 PM Post #54 |
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If it is a non problem the why were there ordinances passed to enable any person to decide what gender they are on a whim? |
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| Freaks | Apr 28 2016, 04:53 PM Post #55 |
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Well at least if the line in the woman's bathroom is too long I can go to the men's room. Stupid freaking lines. |
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| Demagogue | Apr 28 2016, 04:55 PM Post #56 |
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There ya go, there had to be a silver lining in this nonsense somewhere lol.
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 28 2016, 05:02 PM Post #57 |
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I'm not familiar with that "in a whim" part of any of the ordinances. Could you link that part up? |
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| Demagogue | Apr 28 2016, 05:16 PM Post #58 |
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When an ordinance says you can "Choose the restroom that corresponds to the gender with which you self identify" then that opens the door for someone to pull some shenanigans. Here is an example. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/wa-man-women-bathroom-test-transgender-ruling-article-1.2535150 |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 28 2016, 05:17 PM Post #59 |
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Every law ever written is "open to shenanigans" |
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| Demagogue | Apr 28 2016, 05:19 PM Post #60 |
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True but this type of law actually creates a possible dangerous situation that is totally unneeded. It could have been left as it was but now the cat is out of the bag so something will have to be done. Hence my solution. |
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