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| Russians live on the edge as recession brings deep poverty | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 6 2016, 01:19 PM (1,007 Views) | |
| Dem4life | May 6 2016, 01:19 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russians-live-on-the-edge-as-recession-brings-deep-poverty/ar-BBsHG5J?ocid=spartanntp |
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| Dem4life | May 6 2016, 01:21 PM Post #2 |
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Last year, poverty in Russia jumped to its highest level since 2006, and this year, more than 20 million people — almost one in seven — are expected to be in penury. Ordinary Russians have watched their spending power relentlessly squeezed by rapid inflation as the Russian economy tanked amid falling oil prices and Western sanctions on Moscow over the Ukraine crisis. Real wages in Russia dropped 9.5 percent last year, and a report published by a top Moscow university last month showed that, for the first time since 2008, average Russians are now spending more than 50 percent of their incomes on food. The ongoing decline in living standards is “ending the gains of a whole decade of poverty reduction,” Birgit Hansl, the World Bank’s lead economist for Russia, said in Moscow last month. |
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| Siberian | May 7 2016, 04:06 AM Post #3 |
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Despite Economic Crisis, Russian Happiness Index Skyrockets 83% Russians feel happy, only 15% are dissatisfied with their life, while the economy is the main concern http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/despite-economic-crisis-russian-happiness-indeh-sky-rockets/ri13957 Generally, life gets worse a little for most people, but 1) not that much, we laugh here at Obama's words that Russian economy is torn to pieces, it's a popular meme and joke in Runet. and 2) uncertainty is much worse than decline itself, in 2014-15 it was unclear how much damage sanctions and oil prices decline may cause. Now it's clear everything is OK and we are on the right course :), everybody understands that our economy needs a couple of years to adapt to new conditions but the it will be much more self-sufficient, we'll produce more our stuff and will import less... |
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| Siberian | May 7 2016, 04:37 AM Post #4 |
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As for economy itself - I doubt we have reached the bottom already, most probably this year we'll see a small decline of GDP. But still the bottom is near, the balance is close, one month we can see decline and the next - grouth, than again. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3576468/Russian-services-sector-growth-quickens-April--PMI.html The 2 main reasons are - massive deleveraging which affects households' and corporate consumption and oil prices decline wich affect government spending. I would even say that sanctions had no effect at all except that they made deleveraging more sharp and severe. It must be understood that Russian economy stopped growing by 2010-11 already, for last 6-8 years growth in spending was achieved only thanks to cheap Western (mostly American) money from QE. Russian banks were taking money frim Western banks with 4-6% interest rate, lending it to Russian households and companies with 15-20% interest. There was a giant credit boom in Russia, it had to lead to crusis anyway. And it was a very profitable business for the West due to overvalued rouble, which was suppressing local Russian production and boosting import. It was the way to the abyss for Russian economy and country in long term. Luckily Crimea and sanctions happened, oil prices dropped, Western money markets closed for Russian banks, all this led to very sharp and massive deleveraging, drop of consumption, but also drop of import, import of cars almost halved. But Russian production almost didn't suffer or got boosted. Obviously in economy we have better medium and long term perspectives than before 2014. Edited by Siberian, May 7 2016, 04:40 AM.
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| Siberian | May 7 2016, 04:56 AM Post #5 |
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it's also worth mentioning that Putin's puppet pro-American administration in its economic section is headed by IMF-guided pro-American radical free-market economists, which stifle Russian economy with high interest rate and lack of cheap credit, while all the West, despite all declarations does not appply this aproach, pouring trillions of freshly printed money in their economies to support grouth. While import got expensive - Russian producers have no or little access to cheap money or any money to expand production. This is the reason we still have decline while our production could just boom. Hopefully it can only delay grouth but not prevent it. You may mistakenly think that Putin is somehow scary or dictator, but unfortunately he is just as much a puppet of those who rule the World economy. We, countries, may fight, bomb each other and make any fun with each other as we wish - but the strings to the world economy must be in proper hands. Unfortunately I can't say Russia is pursuing an independent economic policy. Edited by Siberian, May 7 2016, 05:02 AM.
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| jake58 | May 7 2016, 06:38 AM Post #6 |
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Vodka sales must be up... |
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| Siberian | May 7 2016, 08:12 AM Post #7 |
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Lol, Jake, no good news for you today... what a pity... ![]() Stricter rules, economic problems and changing social habits mean that Russians are consuming less alcohol, and that's sobering news for the global vodka industry In good news for Russian life expectancy but sobering news for vodka distilleries, the largest country in the world is turning away from alcohol. Alcohol consumption in Russia, which is believed to have fallen into economic recession, dropped by 6.3pc in 2014 amid ongoing political tension, the collapse in oil prices and a government crackdown on drinking. Russians drank 12pc less vodka last year, according to data from Euromonitor International, dragging down global sales of the clear spirit by 5pc, its biggest slump in at least five years. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/11585230/When-Russians-stop-drinking-vodka-sales-plunge.html |
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| Siberian | May 7 2016, 09:26 AM Post #8 |
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the funniest words here are - Russians have watched their spending power relentlessly squeezed by rapid inflation It's obvious you over there in the West are relentlessly brainwashed, not on Russia only, on everything, sometines with purpose, sonetimes just because journalists in the West are not less zombied, are used to stick to what they have learnt decades ago and are dominated by some patterns, firmly inprinted in your brains with decades of anti-Russian propaganda, but still one should not copypast the same stuff for decades. Exactly - inflation declines in Russia now, this is 2016 - ![]() http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates/russia/historic-inflation/cpi-inflation-russia-2016.aspx I wonder what opinion a common Daily mail reader, like Scim, or a common American forms - having read the initial information of this topic....
Edited by Siberian, May 7 2016, 09:30 AM.
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| Siberian | May 7 2016, 01:33 PM Post #9 |
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Anyway, while thinking about hardships I'm facing I'm going to fry some meat at my barbeque, the weather is excellent, about +20 C, 5 degrees above average thanks to global warming, no clouds, my cherry trees are covered with flowers... life is so hard, so hard... ![]()
Edited by Siberian, May 7 2016, 01:36 PM.
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| 70-101 | May 7 2016, 04:28 PM Post #10 |
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Russian citizens greatest fear is Boris the Bill Collector.
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| Freaks | May 7 2016, 09:19 PM Post #11 |
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Russians have been through a lot worse and between their hardiness plus a fair amount of insanity they can usually do okay in poor times. |
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"I'll be the fella to save his Cinderella, by turnin' her dream world into real life." | |
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| Robert Stout | May 8 2016, 02:42 AM Post #12 |
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It looks like you love your meat incinerated....LOL............ :oyvey Edited by Robert Stout, May 8 2016, 02:44 AM.
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| Siberian | May 8 2016, 03:58 AM Post #13 |
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Robert, unless it's Finland there's no risk to get inciberated... ![]() Traditionaly we have 4 holidays in the beginning of May (in Soviet times it was 1-2 of May to celebrate Labor day and the rest were moved from nearest weekend to form a single piece of holidays) and then 2 holidays, 9-10 - Victory day, and one day was usually moved from the weekend also. All Soviet union and now Russia used these holidays to work at dachas because snow lays usually till mid April in Central Russia, first grass appears by May and leaves appear on trees by 8-9 of May - to ensure good harvest. It was a great help to family budget in Soviet times - everybody was planting potato, various berries and fruits. These holidays were the time for the most intense work. Now people make lawns mostly and plant some trees for decoration, but older generation sticks to its habits. I apply both ways, work and relax, cabbage, potato and thujas and barbeque... |
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| jake58 | May 10 2016, 07:07 AM Post #14 |
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I expect that is purchased vodka, meanwhile... Sales of equipment for producing moonshine have increased sharply. The demand for home distilleries and moonshine stills in Russia has risen. As a result, some citizens are discovering an alternative to increasingly expensive vodka, while protecting themselves from low-quality substitutes. Every year, Russians produce at least 66 million gallons of homemade alcohol, as calculated by the Research Center on the Federal and Regional Alcohol Market. http://rbth.com/society/2013/07/26/homemade_spirits_gaining_popularity_in_russia_28399.html You see, when you increase the taxes on something, you get less of it, so when Pooty-poot increased the taxes on beer and vodka, that production simply went underground. If you figure it out, explain it to the Libs around here, they don't understand market forces either. |
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| Siberian | May 10 2016, 04:02 PM Post #15 |
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Lol, are you going to try to convince me that some nonsense spread by vodka producers' lobby that several thousands of home distillers can replace industrial pruduction? ![]() First, if there can be a substational replacement - it's not home distillers but shadow production of the same companies. But several years ago the government increased minimal price of vodka, shifted taxation from stage of production to the stage of retail - all this decreased share of illegal vodka in the shops, as well advericement of alcohol and tobacco is banned for several years already, as well people shift from strong alcohol to vine. Generally, as usual you don't know anything. |
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| jake58 | May 10 2016, 05:34 PM Post #16 |
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Why would I try to convince you? You're still looking for George Bildt and think that Ukranian fighters with a ceiling of 25,000 ft can down a commercial plane flying over 30,000 feet. Even the plane's designer doesn't believe you. https://www.rt.com/news/239881-mh17-ukraine-fighter-jet/ Homebrew is legal in Russia and there is sales evidence that homebrew kits and equipment have been increasingly popular in the past few years, responding of course to market pressures... unless your argument is that Russians now are too poor to even get drunk. Edited by nNeo, May 11 2016, 01:36 AM.
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| That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens | |
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| Siberian | May 11 2016, 01:43 AM Post #17 |
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Lol, Jack, you are quite persistent in attempts to convince me that ignorance has no limits so why should I doubt that you can try to convince me in something else ![]() As for Su-25 - I am not so much a specialist but I have read some discussion where pilots were saying that flying Su-25 you can jump for a short period of time for higher altitude and the rocket itself has additional reach. Anyway, you are quite a retard that even after BBC admitted that there is evidence that it might be Ukrainian jet - you still rejectvanything that displeases you Keep your head in sand, but be careful about safety of your ass Jack ![]() As for home distillers - even if you sell hundreds of thousands of them and it's not the case, the equipment is quite expensive for personal use, it cannot increase consumption significantly. And of course while you can illegally sell some good vodka shadowly produced by big companies (just to avoid high taxes) and distributed with false documents - it's nonsense that you can widely sell self-made alcohol, it's illegal and nobody will drink it except most extreme alcoholics, even if they buy such stuff from their friends. I.e. commercially sekf made alcohol cannot be dustributed widely. You are as ignorant as usual. Edited by Siberian, May 11 2016, 01:47 AM.
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| Freaks | May 11 2016, 03:31 AM Post #18 |
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Who needs alcohol when you have krokodil? |
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"I'll be the fella to save his Cinderella, by turnin' her dream world into real life." | |
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| Scim | May 11 2016, 11:56 AM Post #19 |
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You take back that bit about me being a "common daily mail reader"! My Uncle used to take the neighbour's to help get the fire going and as far as I'm concerned that's the best use for the daily hate. It looks like I was wrong a while ago about Russian foreign reserves collapsing, Russia's stabilised the reserves, the Rouble has stabilised after falling a lot and inflation is now on the way down, but I'm not sure it's all propaganda about economic problems. A Russian friend recently got back from home and says all her family and friends are worse off with much higher prices etc. But Russians have a bit of a masochistic streak so the older ones are probably loving it :D |
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| Siberian | May 11 2016, 01:42 PM Post #20 |
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Sorry, man, I meant Stef, we had some discussion regarding his addiction to Daily Mail, so I usually don't miss a chance to joke at it. As for economic situation - all what happens is not new and it's like - you have been given 10 dollars and then 3 were taken away. Now most people still live much, much better that 10 years ago, progress in level of life was extremely fast, unprecedentally fast, Russians have never in our History lived so good. And all this happened duribg life of just one generation - devastation of 90s, prosperity of 00-10s, so it cannot be really calked mazochism, it, s just a fluctuation, we still have several years before any discontent starts being a big problem for the authorities. And so far nothing shows that situation will deteriorate greatly, more probable the grouth will start next year. Prices on most vital stuff don't grow much. But import is much more expensive, of course. |
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