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US doctors call for universal healthcare
Topic Started: May 6 2016, 04:32 PM (574 Views)
jazzyjeff

A group of more than 2,000 physicians is calling for the establishment of a universal government-run health system in the US, in a paper in the American Journal of Public Health.
According to the proposal released Thursday, the Affordable Care Act did not go far enough in removing barriers to healthcare access. The physicians’ bold plan calls for implementing a single-payer system similar to Canada’s, called the National Health Program, that would guarantee all residents healthcare.
The new single-payer system would be funded mostly by existing US government funding. The physicians point out that the US government already pays for two-thirds of all healthcare spending in the US, and a single-payer system would cut down on administrative costs, so a transition to a single-payer system would not require significant additional spending.


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/05/us-doctors-calling-universal-healthcare-system-affordable-care-act
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Interesting choice of words there: residents. Not citizens, just residents. We can see where this is going. Universal health care would only be viable if it were possible to exclude demographics which vote democrat.
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jazzyjeff
May 6 2016, 04:32 PM
A group of more than 2,000 physicians is calling for the establishment of a universal government-run health system in the US, in a paper in the American Journal of Public Health.
According to the proposal released Thursday, the Affordable Care Act did not go far enough in removing barriers to healthcare access. The physicians’ bold plan calls for implementing a single-payer system similar to Canada’s, called the National Health Program, that would guarantee all residents healthcare.
The new single-payer system would be funded mostly by existing US government funding. The physicians point out that the US government already pays for two-thirds of all healthcare spending in the US, and a single-payer system would cut down on administrative costs, so a transition to a single-payer system would not require significant additional spending.


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/05/us-doctors-calling-universal-healthcare-system-affordable-care-act
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jazzyjeff
May 6 2016, 04:32 PM
A group of more than 2,000 physicians is calling for the establishment of a universal government-run health system in the US, in a paper in the American Journal of Public Health.
According to the proposal released Thursday, the Affordable Care Act did not go far enough in removing barriers to healthcare access. The physicians’ bold plan calls for implementing a single-payer system similar to Canada’s, called the National Health Program, that would guarantee all residents healthcare.
The new single-payer system would be funded mostly by existing US government funding. The physicians point out that the US government already pays for two-thirds of all healthcare spending in the US, and a single-payer system would cut down on administrative costs, so a transition to a single-payer system would not require significant additional spending.


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/05/us-doctors-calling-universal-healthcare-system-affordable-care-act
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Without the backing of the AMA, single payer healthcare proposals are going nowhere....Doctors have a strong union............ :biggrin:
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Systems like the UK's are far more efficient and leave less space for doctors to make extra cash from selling more expensive treatments because they're held accountable for high expenditures by medical experts but I'd be shocked to see the U.S. do this. Novartis likes its marketing department so much that it spends about $15 bn a year on it - it believes marketing is worth far more investment than developing new drugs. There are enough self-interested doctors who won't want to see their "industry thought leader" bonuses go away and buying U.S. politicians seems incredibly cheap when your marketing budget is in the billions. There's no way U.S. politicians will support more cost-effective healthcare when it might cost them campaign contributions.

U.K. healthcare spending - $3,935 per person. U.S. healthcare spending - $9,403 per person.
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May 6 2016, 09:15 PM
Systems like the UK's are far more efficient and leave less space for doctors to make extra cash from selling more expensive treatments because they're held accountable for high expenditures by medical experts but I'd be shocked to see the U.S. do this. Novartis likes its marketing department so much that it spends about $15 bn a year on it - it believes marketing is worth far more investment than developing new drugs. There are enough self-interested doctors who won't want to see their "industry thought leader" bonuses go away and buying U.S. politicians seems incredibly cheap when your marketing budget is in the billions. There's no way U.S. politicians will support more cost-effective healthcare when it might cost them campaign contributions.

U.K. healthcare spending - $3,935 per person. U.S. healthcare spending - $9,403 per person.
Certainly explains why the doctors in the UK recently went on strike....and the care is not that great...
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May 6 2016, 09:27 PM
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May 6 2016, 09:15 PM
Systems like the UK's are far more efficient and leave less space for doctors to make extra cash from selling more expensive treatments because they're held accountable for high expenditures by medical experts but I'd be shocked to see the U.S. do this. Novartis likes its marketing department so much that it spends about $15 bn a year on it - it believes marketing is worth far more investment than developing new drugs. There are enough self-interested doctors who won't want to see their "industry thought leader" bonuses go away and buying U.S. politicians seems incredibly cheap when your marketing budget is in the billions. There's no way U.S. politicians will support more cost-effective healthcare when it might cost them campaign contributions.

U.K. healthcare spending - $3,935 per person. U.S. healthcare spending - $9,403 per person.
Certainly explains why the doctors in the UK recently went on strike....and the care is not that great...
The AMA does not like the government, like in Britain, to determine the amount they are paid for a medical procedure in a national health system...A piss ant public health association is only running their mouth.......... :oyvey
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They're idiots.

Look at what they are paid in the socialist UK.
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May 6 2016, 04:42 PM
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May 6 2016, 04:32 PM
A group of more than 2,000 physicians is calling for the establishment of a universal government-run health system in the US, in a paper in the American Journal of Public Health.
According to the proposal released Thursday, the Affordable Care Act did not go far enough in removing barriers to healthcare access. The physicians’ bold plan calls for implementing a single-payer system similar to Canada’s, called the National Health Program, that would guarantee all residents healthcare.
The new single-payer system would be funded mostly by existing US government funding. The physicians point out that the US government already pays for two-thirds of all healthcare spending in the US, and a single-payer system would cut down on administrative costs, so a transition to a single-payer system would not require significant additional spending.


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/05/us-doctors-calling-universal-healthcare-system-affordable-care-act
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May 6 2016, 09:27 PM
Certainly explains why the doctors in the UK recently went on strike....and the care is not that great...
The current issue is more to do with budget squeezes which are partly a political decision. That is a risk of public healthcare but in the UK anyone can buy private insurance.

UK healthcare is pretty good. Bloomberg has the UK in 10th position for efficiency, the US is 44th. The Commonwealth Fund puts the UK 1st (of 11) and the US 11th (...of 11). The World Health Organisation puts the UK 18th and USA 37th. My experience of UK healthcare is excellent. My experience in the US is that it's extremely expensive for something I didn't use.

But which system you prefer depends a bit on your values. I think that some level of healthcare isn't just a right, but that it's good for society. If you want a society where everyone has the chance to move up, then the American system screws the poor while costing everyone a lot more money although the very richest can probably get better care than those who use the UK's NHS, at a much higher price.

And of course, the US system pays doctors more for no real improvement in country-wide health. That's what happens in most markets where you have experts dealing with non-experts and little in the way of rules that actively balance that.
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May 7 2016, 02:15 AM
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May 6 2016, 09:27 PM
Certainly explains why the doctors in the UK recently went on strike....and the care is not that great...
The current issue is more to do with budget squeezes which are partly a political decision. That is a risk of public healthcare but in the UK anyone can buy private insurance.

UK healthcare is pretty good. Bloomberg has the UK in 10th position for efficiency, the US is 44th. The Commonwealth Fund puts the UK 1st (of 11) and the US 11th (...of 11). The World Health Organisation puts the UK 18th and USA 37th. My experience of UK healthcare is excellent. My experience in the US is that it's extremely expensive for something I didn't use.

But which system you prefer depends a bit on your values. I think that some level of healthcare isn't just a right, but that it's good for society. If you want a society where everyone has the chance to move up, then the American system screws the poor while costing everyone a lot more money although the very richest can probably get better care than those who use the UK's NHS, at a much higher price.

And of course, the US system pays doctors more for no real improvement in country-wide health. That's what happens in most markets where you have experts dealing with non-experts and little in the way of rules that actively balance that.
UK healthcare is rationed - why US healthcare is supplied by the market.

The two can't be compared.
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May 6 2016, 07:49 PM
Without the backing of the AMA, single payer healthcare proposals are going nowhere....Doctors have a strong union............ :biggrin:
Probably so, but I know what is becoming a major concern of Dr's is the fact that more and more patients are not paying their bills, which includes the insured not paying co-pays and deductibles. In most states it is nearly impossible to force anyone to pay, and rarely does outstanding medical debt effect one's credit.
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May 7 2016, 12:03 PM
UK healthcare is rationed - why US healthcare is supplied by the market.

The two can't be compared.
Anyone in the UK can get private healthcare if they want it. You can still compare. The American system is far, far more expensive - about 150% more expensive per person. The very rich get healthcare similar to or better than that provided by the NHS, the poor get worse and potentially productive workers get screwed with medical bills.

Which you prefer depends on your values. I like universal healthcare with good quality at much lower cost, with a private option for those who want it.

Marketing departments also make a lot more money in the US system. If you think shifting billions of healthcare dollars to marketing departments to help sell less-cost-effective drugs is a good thing, then that counts in favour of the US system.
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May 7 2016, 10:42 PM
estonianman
May 7 2016, 12:03 PM
UK healthcare is rationed - why US healthcare is supplied by the market.

The two can't be compared.
Anyone in the UK can get private healthcare if they want it. You can still compare. The American system is far, far more expensive - about 150% more expensive per person. The very rich get healthcare similar to or better than that provided by the NHS, the poor get worse and potentially productive workers get screwed with medical bills.

Which you prefer depends on your values. I like universal healthcare with good quality at much lower cost, with a private option for those who want it.

Marketing departments also make a lot more money in the US system. If you think shifting billions of healthcare dollars to marketing departments to help sell less-cost-effective drugs is a good thing, then that counts in favour of the US system.
But the UK national healthcare in monopolized - with private care adding an expense well above what is already taxed for NHS.

Sorry - a monopoly system that is rationed by government has no comparison to market based systems. Its like comparing a Cuban food collective to Walmart.
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