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Sanders leaves door open to being Clinton's VP
Topic Started: May 6 2016, 07:23 PM (1,123 Views)
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-vice-president/index.html

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said Friday he plans to keep fighting for the Democratic nomination all the way to the convention in Philadelphia, but did not slam the door shut on possibly joining Hillary Clinton's ticket.

Asked by CNN's Wolf Blitzer if he would accept a hypothetical offer to be Clinton's running mate, Sanders said he would talk about it with her after the convention.
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The only scenario of Clinton ever getting my vote. But she'll just fill her VP and cabinet with establishment picks.
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It is pretty hard to see Sanders getting the second spot.

On the plus side, Sanders is a talented politician and has shown he can flip-flop, dissemble and dispense slime just as well as Hillary. And she'll need an attack dog against the Republicans. Plus, this would get some of the Bernie-worshiping Millennial-types out to the polls. Moreover, unlike most radicals, Bernie isn't stupid. He's not a Kucinich-style goofball. He's even pretty effective on the stump. He can bring in money and volunteers.

But the negative side has some substantial problems. First and foremost, he's an admitted socialist. This has been the kiss of death in American politics for a century and Trump will no doubt attempt to exploit it. The label will be a drag on the ticket. Second, beyond healing the generation gap a bit, he brings nothing to the table demographically. He has no particular appeal to key groups like Hispanics or the blue-collar Democrats Trump will be trying to steal. And he's from Vermont which might as well be another planet, politically speaking, from the rest of the country. She might be better off with a Hispanic or someone from a swing state. Moreover, while Bernie will be allowed to engage in some of his "rigged system" rhetoric about billionaires, he's also going to have to toe the line and moderate or adjust his views to match his running mate who is far less enamored of government spending and taxes and significantly more friendly to Wall Street. Wall Street also might be a help to Clinton this election since Trump is a dangerous and destabilizing idiot. But if Sanders is on the ticket, they may decide they simply don't have a dog in this race.
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Sherrod Brown is a much better choice.


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Only problem with Brown is Kasich naming his replacement.
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The word socialism isn't a "kiss of death" today. The young voters of today don't see Democratic socialism as a bad thing, and the young voters are the future of America. It has worked well in many Nordic countries voted the happiest places to live. You see everyone in the US angry at each other. Many see Clinton already playing the women card, now if she picks a Hispanic mainly because of being a Hispanic, well that wouldn't fly. We don't need an attack dog to piss off the other half of Americans who are angry as it is. That's the alpha-male conservative's way of handling it and they're failing badly. What we need is diplomacy and get them to understand our views. Then we can unite and work together.
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May 6 2016, 07:48 PM
Only problem with Brown is Kasich naming his replacement.
That is a problem, but it might be worth it.


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Edited by CautionaryTales, May 6 2016, 07:55 PM.


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Eddo wrote:
The word socialism isn't a "kiss of death" today. The young voters of today don't see Democratic socialism as a bad thing, and the young voters are the future of America.

How nice for them. But they are not the "right now" of America and now is when the election is being held.


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It has worked well in many Nordic countries voted the happiest places to live. You see everyone in the US angry at each other. Many see Clinton already playing the women card, now if she picks a Hispanic mainly because of being a Hispanic, well that wouldn't fly. We don't need an attack dog to piss off the other half of Americans who are angry as it is. That's the alpha-male conservative's way of handling it and they're failing badly. What we need is diplomacy and get them to understand our views. Then we can unite and work together.

Yeah, diplomacy doesn't work. Neither does uniting or working together. This will be an extremely dirty election and if Hillary is to win it, she's going to have to do it by sliming the hell out of Trump. Sanders would make a pretty decent attack dog. He'd sink his teeth into the other side pretty well. That's one of his few genuine pluses.

But I think he comes with too many negatives and problems. I personally think we need a Hispanic or an Ohioan. There's also a lot of talk about Kaine from Virginia but I don't know that he's really the best guy.
Edited by Two a.m., May 6 2016, 08:01 PM.
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Unlike Obama, who was willing to offer the olive branch of Secretary of State to Hillary Clinton after a fairly acrimonious primary (which Hillary fought to the bitter end), Hillary Clinton is not the type of person to offer olive branches. She's more likely to take vengeance then to try to turn an adversary into an ally. I see Clinton making no efforts to mend fences, let alone offering Sanders the second banana spot.
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May 6 2016, 08:08 PM
Unlike Obama, who was willing to offer the olive branch of Secretary of State to Hillary Clinton after a fairly acrimonious primary (which Hillary fought to the bitter end), Hillary Clinton is not the type of person to offer olive branches. She's more likely to take vengeance then to try to turn an adversary into an ally. I see Clinton making no efforts to mend fences, let alone offering Sanders the second banana spot.
Hillary is a pragmatist who will do what is necessary. Conceivably, there could even be a cabinet spot for Sanders if he wants it. But I don't think he'll get the second slot unless Hillary thinks it will help her and it probably won't.

And Obama didn't offer an olive branch. He'd just won the election. He didn't need to hand out olive branches. He offered the job because he thought she'd be good at it and he knew she was a team player.
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May 6 2016, 09:28 PM
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Unlike Obama, who was willing to offer the olive branch of Secretary of State to Hillary Clinton after a fairly acrimonious primary (which Hillary fought to the bitter end), Hillary Clinton is not the type of person to offer olive branches. She's more likely to take vengeance then to try to turn an adversary into an ally. I see Clinton making no efforts to mend fences, let alone offering Sanders the second banana spot.
Hillary is a pragmatist who will do what is necessary. Conceivably, there could even be a cabinet spot for Sanders if he wants it. But I don't think he'll get the second slot unless Hillary thinks it will help her and it probably won't.

And Obama didn't offer an olive branch. He'd just won the election. He didn't need to hand out olive branches. He offered the job because he thought she'd be good at it and he knew she was a team player.
The division in the Democratic Party won't mend itself, it will take two to mend it. Hillary to pick Bernie for VP and in return she'll get the Bernie voters and support and we'll all work wonderfully together happily ever after.
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Unlike Obama, who was willing to offer the olive branch of Secretary of State to Hillary Clinton after a fairly acrimonious primary (which Hillary fought to the bitter end), Hillary Clinton is not the type of person to offer olive branches. She's more likely to take vengeance then to try to turn an adversary into an ally. I see Clinton making no efforts to mend fences, let alone offering Sanders the second banana spot.
Hillary is a pragmatist who will do what is necessary. Conceivably, there could even be a cabinet spot for Sanders if he wants it. But I don't think he'll get the second slot unless Hillary thinks it will help her and it probably won't.

And Obama didn't offer an olive branch. He'd just won the election. He didn't need to hand out olive branches. He offered the job because he thought she'd be good at it and he knew she was a team player.
Hillary is a pragmatist who holds a grudge. There won't be a cabinet spot for Sanders. There won't be any reconciliation between them. She doesn't forget and she never forgives.

And yes, Obama offered Hillary an olive branch because he knew that to do otherwise would be to create division within the Democratic party, with him on one side and the Clintons sniping at him from the other. So, while he may have believed she was qualified and would do a reasonable job, there was also a certain amount of calculation involved. The Clintons couldn't very well snipe at Obama while Hillary was a member of his team. And Hillary knew that Secretary of State would be an excellent resume builder for her next run for President.
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May 6 2016, 09:37 PM
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May 6 2016, 09:28 PM
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May 6 2016, 08:08 PM
Unlike Obama, who was willing to offer the olive branch of Secretary of State to Hillary Clinton after a fairly acrimonious primary (which Hillary fought to the bitter end), Hillary Clinton is not the type of person to offer olive branches. She's more likely to take vengeance then to try to turn an adversary into an ally. I see Clinton making no efforts to mend fences, let alone offering Sanders the second banana spot.
Hillary is a pragmatist who will do what is necessary. Conceivably, there could even be a cabinet spot for Sanders if he wants it. But I don't think he'll get the second slot unless Hillary thinks it will help her and it probably won't.

And Obama didn't offer an olive branch. He'd just won the election. He didn't need to hand out olive branches. He offered the job because he thought she'd be good at it and he knew she was a team player.
Hillary is a pragmatist who holds a grudge. There won't be a cabinet spot for Sanders. There won't be any reconciliation between them. She doesn't forget and she never forgives.

And yes, Obama offered Hillary an olive branch because he knew that to do otherwise would be to create division within the Democratic party, with him on one side and the Clintons sniping at him from the other. So, while he may have believed she was qualified and would do a reasonable job, there was also a certain amount of calculation involved. The Clintons couldn't very well snipe at Obama while Hillary was a member of his team. And Hillary knew that Secretary of State would be an excellent resume builder for her next run for President.
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Sanders also offered to serve Hillary her goblets of wine and vodka during the next four years............... :naughtynice:
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Hillary is a pragmatist who holds a grudge. There won't be a cabinet spot for Sanders. There won't be any reconciliation between them. She doesn't forget and she never forgives.

And yes, Obama offered Hillary an olive branch because he knew that to do otherwise would be to create division within the Democratic party, with him on one side and the Clintons sniping at him from the other. So, while he may have believed she was qualified and would do a reasonable job, there was also a certain amount of calculation involved. The Clintons couldn't very well snipe at Obama while Hillary was a member of his team. And Hillary knew that Secretary of State would be an excellent resume builder for her next run for President.
Yes, I know. You want to believe the worst so that's what you will believe.
That's not the "worst", that's being a "pragmatic realist". The thing you always accuse me of not being. And here you are being the "idealistic optimist".

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Yes, I know. You want to believe the worst so that's what you will believe.
That's not the "worst", that's being a "pragmatic realist". The thing you always accuse me of not being. And here you are being the "idealistic optimist".

It doesn't really become you.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
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The longer Bernie stays in the race the less likely it is Hillary will offer him a position within her administration. If the nomination fight goes all the way to California, and it likely will - I don't see how she can offer him anything other than a handshake.
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May 7 2016, 01:36 AM
The longer Bernie stays in the race the less likely it is Hillary will offer him a position within her administration. If the nomination fight goes all the way to California, and it likely will - I don't see how she can offer him anything other than a handshake.
Incorrect. The longer Sanders stays in the race the more the #bernieorbust movement grows. Question at the end is does she need the Bernie voters to beat Trump or keep the party divided for a long time to come.
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Yes, I know. You want to believe the worst so that's what you will believe.
That's not the "worst", that's being a "pragmatic realist". The thing you always accuse me of not being. And here you are being the "idealistic optimist".

It doesn't really become you.
How on earth has anything I've said made me an "idealistic optimist"?

That's about the most insulting thing I've ever been called. If you are going to slander people with such terrible names, you should at least be able to back it up.
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