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Sanders leaves door open to being Clinton's VP
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Topic Started: May 6 2016, 07:23 PM (1,124 Views)
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The longer Bernie stays in the race the less likely it is Hillary will offer him a position within her administration. If the nomination fight goes all the way to California, and it likely will - I don't see how she can offer him anything other than a handshake.
Incorrect. The longer Sanders stays in the race the more the #bernieorbust movement grows. Question at the end is does she need the Bernie voters to beat Trump or keep the party divided for a long time to come. Hillary would love to have the support of Bernies people. But the reality is - Bernie will likely support Hillary after she wins the nomination. If Sanders supporters don't support Hillary after she wins the nomination - they don't belong in the Democratic party - as if losers deserve to win. Besides, after the smoke clears, Bernie will go back to being an independent - and his supporters will go back to being sore losers.
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May 7 2016, 08:23 AM
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The longer Bernie stays in the race the less likely it is Hillary will offer him a position within her administration. If the nomination fight goes all the way to California, and it likely will - I don't see how she can offer him anything other than a handshake.
Incorrect. The longer Sanders stays in the race the more the #bernieorbust movement grows. Question at the end is does she need the Bernie voters to beat Trump or keep the party divided for a long time to come.
Hillary would love to have the support of Bernies people. But the reality is - Bernie will likely support Hillary after she wins the nomination. If Sanders supporters don't support Hillary after she wins the nomination - they don't belong in the Democratic party - as if losers deserve to win. Besides, after the smoke clears, Bernie will go back to being an independent - and his supporters will go back to being sore losers. If those votes are that unimportant to Hillary then when the smoke clears Trump will be the president. Which is fine for me and so far a third of Bernie supporters who would vote for him over Hillary (and another one third who won't vote for either) so we won't be quite a loser when the general election comes. And the Democratic party will either become more divided like the GOP or grow smaller.
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May 7 2016, 09:11 AM
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It is pretty hard to see Sanders getting the second spot.
On the plus side, Sanders is a talented politician and has shown he can flip-flop, dissemble and dispense slime just as well as Hillary. And she'll need an attack dog against the Republicans. Plus, this would get some of the Bernie-worshiping Millennial-types out to the polls. Moreover, unlike most radicals, Bernie isn't stupid. He's not a Kucinich-style goofball. He's even pretty effective on the stump. He can bring in money and volunteers.
But the negative side has some substantial problems. First and foremost, he's an admitted socialist. This has been the kiss of death in American politics for a century and Trump will no doubt attempt to exploit it. The label will be a drag on the ticket. Second, beyond healing the generation gap a bit, he brings nothing to the table demographically. He has no particular appeal to key groups like Hispanics or the blue-collar Democrats Trump will be trying to steal. And he's from Vermont which might as well be another planet, politically speaking, from the rest of the country. She might be better off with a Hispanic or someone from a swing state. Moreover, while Bernie will be allowed to engage in some of his "rigged system" rhetoric about billionaires, he's also going to have to toe the line and moderate or adjust his views to match his running mate who is far less enamored of government spending and taxes and significantly more friendly to Wall Street. Wall Street also might be a help to Clinton this election since Trump is a dangerous and destabilizing idiot. But if Sanders is on the ticket, they may decide they simply don't have a dog in this race. The problems you point out are real. I think "socialist" may be about to turn out like "gay". Once the kiss of death, "gay" now has lost all its sting. On the other side, if those millions of young Bernie supporters turn away in disgust from the Dem team it could do real damage in down-ticket races.
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May 7 2016, 09:16 AM
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If Sanders really has an interest in moving his agenda forward...and make it part of the law of the land... He needs to work within the Democratic Party if he wants results. There is a huge vacuum in the DNC leadership that would be a perfect place for a reformer that has the ear of the young people listening to him. If he is just interested in his own ego satisfaction, he will make a loud ruckus that goes nowhere.
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May 7 2016, 09:19 AM
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There is a caveat to that... Sanders would also have to actually become a member of the Democratic Party.
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May 7 2016, 11:28 AM
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There is a caveat to that... Sanders would also have to actually become a member of the Democratic Party. Is there any legal or constitutional requirement? Is it perhaps part of the by-laws of the Democratic Party? A guy that has caucused with them in the Senate and run in their primaries isn't going to have much difficulty signing some piece of paper. I' ve never heard Bernie make a fuss about democratic socialist as a party label, only and ideological description.
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May 7 2016, 11:59 AM
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The longer Bernie stays in the race the less likely it is Hillary will offer him a position within her administration. If the nomination fight goes all the way to California, and it likely will - I don't see how she can offer him anything other than a handshake. I seem to recall Hillary fighting Obama to the bitter end, and receiving Secretary of State as her conciliation prize. I guess Obama is just a better person than Hillary...
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May 7 2016, 12:00 PM
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That's not the "worst", that's being a "pragmatic realist". The thing you always accuse me of not being. And here you are being the "idealistic optimist". It doesn't really become you.
How on earth has anything I've said made me an "idealistic optimist"? That's about the most insulting thing I've ever been called. If you are going to slander people with such terrible names, you should at least be able to back it up. You're the one trying to think the "best" of Hillary Clinton.
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May 7 2016, 12:01 PM
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The longer Bernie stays in the race the less likely it is Hillary will offer him a position within her administration. If the nomination fight goes all the way to California, and it likely will - I don't see how she can offer him anything other than a handshake.
Incorrect. The longer Sanders stays in the race the more the #bernieorbust movement grows. Question at the end is does she need the Bernie voters to beat Trump or keep the party divided for a long time to come.
Hillary would love to have the support of Bernies people. But the reality is - Bernie will likely support Hillary after she wins the nomination. If Sanders supporters don't support Hillary after she wins the nomination - they don't belong in the Democratic party - as if losers deserve to win. Besides, after the smoke clears, Bernie will go back to being an independent - and his supporters will go back to being sore losers. Calling people, whose votes your party needs in order to secure an electoral victory, "losers" is not a good way to engender their support.
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May 7 2016, 12:07 PM
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The longer Bernie stays in the race the less likely it is Hillary will offer him a position within her administration. If the nomination fight goes all the way to California, and it likely will - I don't see how she can offer him anything other than a handshake.
Incorrect. The longer Sanders stays in the race the more the #bernieorbust movement grows. Question at the end is does she need the Bernie voters to beat Trump or keep the party divided for a long time to come.
Hillary would love to have the support of Bernies people. But the reality is - Bernie will likely support Hillary after she wins the nomination. If Sanders supporters don't support Hillary after she wins the nomination - they don't belong in the Democratic party - as if losers deserve to win. Besides, after the smoke clears, Bernie will go back to being an independent - and his supporters will go back to being sore losers. Sanders may endorse Hillary, but most of his supporters won't...That leaves Hillary's base make up largely of blacks, LGBT, macho feminists, and illegal aliens who can't vote...This is a recipe for a Trump victory.............
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May 8 2016, 10:20 AM
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The longer Bernie stays in the race the less likely it is Hillary will offer him a position within her administration. If the nomination fight goes all the way to California, and it likely will - I don't see how she can offer him anything other than a handshake.
I seem to recall Hillary fighting Obama to the bitter end, and receiving Secretary of State as her conciliation prize. I guess Obama is just a better person than Hillary... Or perhaps it's because Obama's and Hillary's political ideology are far more closely aligned than Hillary's and Bernies are. An isolationist as Secretary of State is a pipe dream.
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Hillary would love to have the support of Bernies people. But the reality is - Bernie will likely support Hillary after she wins the nomination. If Sanders supporters don't support Hillary after she wins the nomination - they don't belong in the Democratic party - as if losers deserve to win. Besides, after the smoke clears, Bernie will go back to being an independent - and his supporters will go back to being sore losers.
Calling people, whose votes your party needs in order to secure an electoral victory, "losers" is not a good way to engender their support. Considering some Democrats are willing to support Trump rather than Hillary, simply to deny her the presidency I think the term sore loser for those folks is appropriate. Especially considering, they'll be supporting two losing presidential candidates during the same general election, which is not an easy thing to do.
Thank you madam president may I have another. Thank you madam president may I have another.
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May 8 2016, 10:33 AM
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Hillary would love to have the support of Bernies people. But the reality is - Bernie will likely support Hillary after she wins the nomination. If Sanders supporters don't support Hillary after she wins the nomination - they don't belong in the Democratic party - as if losers deserve to win. Besides, after the smoke clears, Bernie will go back to being an independent - and his supporters will go back to being sore losers.
Sanders may endorse Hillary, but most of his supporters won't...That leaves Hillary's base make up largely of blacks, LGBT, macho feminists, and illegal aliens who can't vote...This is a recipe for a Trump victory............. As if Evangelists and angry white males over 40 are a majority. :oyvey
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May 8 2016, 03:06 PM
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Sanders may endorse Hillary, but most of his supporters won't...That leaves Hillary's base make up largely of blacks, LGBT, macho feminists, and illegal aliens who can't vote...This is a recipe for a Trump victory.............
As if Evangelists and angry white males over 40 are a majority. :oyvey If you take a close look at who is voting and what they want done, you will see that Trump can have a majority...This majority goes beyond those resistant to calling the new president, "Your Madam Highness" to some hick from Arkansas...............
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May 8 2016, 04:10 PM
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How on earth has anything I've said made me an "idealistic optimist"? That's about the most insulting thing I've ever been called. If you are going to slander people with such terrible names, you should at least be able to back it up.
You're the one trying to think the "best" of Hillary Clinton. When was I doing that?
When I said she was a horrifyingly weak candidate with the raw charisma of a carrot? When I said she was wrong to take Wall Street money and stupid to use the email server? When I said she was secretive and insecure?
I see the good and the bad in Hillary Clinton. Like most people, she's got both. Hopefully, people will start seeing the good soon because in November, she is the only thing standing between this country and someone who will make George W. Bush look like a competent, moderate and humble economic genius.
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May 8 2016, 05:45 PM
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Calling people, whose votes your party needs in order to secure an electoral victory, "losers" is not a good way to engender their support.
Considering some Democrats are willing to support Trump rather than Hillary, simply to deny her the presidency I think the term sore loser for those folks is appropriate. Especially considering, they'll be supporting two losing presidential candidates during the same general election, which is not an easy thing to do.  Thank you madam president may I have another. Thank you madam president may I have another. I see. So rather than unity, what you want is bragging rights.
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He has no chance at winning but yet he's going to stay in the race. If I were in her pantsuit, I sure as hell wouldn't offer him the position. She needs to go with someone younger. Like a Castro...
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He has no chance at winning but yet he's going to stay in the race. If I were in her pantsuit, I sure as hell wouldn't offer him the position. She needs to go with someone younger. Like a Castro...
She probably will not pick Sanders though I don't think it will have anything to do with how long he stays in the race. That's a minor annoyance which she probably expected from day one.
More important may be the fact that Sanders has continued attacking her long after it serves a purpose.
Though, honestly, this hasn't been a particularly dirty primary race from either camp.
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He has no chance at winning but yet he's going to stay in the race. If I were in her pantsuit, I sure as hell wouldn't offer him the position. She needs to go with someone younger. Like a Castro...
She probably will not pick Sanders though I don't think it will have anything to do with how long he stays in the race. That's a minor annoyance which she probably expected from day one. More important may be the fact that Sanders has continued attacking her long after it serves a purpose. Though, honestly, this hasn't been a particularly dirty primary race from either camp. Imagine the lack of newsprint generated if Sanders had quit early. No one reports on a political race that has no opposition.
No Sanders means no reporting. He has served as a valuable news magnet for the Democrats.
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