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Once unthinkable in US, drug shoot-up rooms get serious look
Topic Started: May 9 2016, 10:03 AM (1,143 Views)
Dem4life

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/93726b5c81394e0ab787fcb92ceb3124/once-unthinkable-us-drug-shoot-rooms-get-serious-look
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Across the United States, heroin users have died in alleys behind convenience stores, on city sidewalks and in the bathrooms of fast-food joints — because no one was around to save them when they overdosed.

An alarming 47,000 American overdose deaths in 2014 — 60 percent from heroin and related painkillers like fentanyl — has pushed elected leaders from coast to coast to consider what was once unthinkable: government-sanctioned sites where users can shoot up under the supervision of a doctor or nurse who can administer an antidote if necessary.

"Things are getting out of control. We have to find things we can do for people who are addicted now," said New York state Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal, who is working on legislation to allow supervised injection sites that would also include space for treatment services. "The idea shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. I don't see anyone else coming up with anything new and innovative."

Critics of the war on drugs have long talked about the need for a new approach to addiction, but the idea of allowing supervised injection sites is now coming from state lawmakers in New York, Maryland and California, along with city officials in Seattle, San Francisco and Ithaca, New York, who note that syringe exchanges were once controversial but now operate in 33 states.
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It is counter productive for American society to save the lives of heroin addicts.......... :oyvey
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Robert Stout
May 9 2016, 12:14 PM
It is counter productive for American society to save the lives of heroin addicts.......... :oyvey
Your remark is not only profoundly immoral, it is very poor government policy. The cost of laissez-faire policy towards heroin addicts is enormous, not only in immediate costs (criminal justice, emergency medical care etc.) but in long term costs which extend into the next generation and include opportunity costs inflicted on society as well as the addict's family and community.

Heroin addicts need not die of addiction if the drug is administered at clinical levels of purity and sterile administration. If heroin addicts survive until age 35 or so, their chances of recovery are remarkably good. Supervised care with the option of treatment is the best thing for the addict, the addict's family, and the community. The old, punitive approach has never worked, is not working now, and will never work in the future.
Conservatism is a social disease
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BuckFan

This is a band-aid approach. Of course band-aids are useful, they keep the blood from dripping on the carpet but they are not a good long-term tool for major problems. What we really need is an exponential growth in treatment beds and hope (jobs) for the disenchanted.
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The solution is simple. Decriminalize all drugs.
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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Why don't they just put codeine based medications back on Schedule III and allow doctors to prescribe them as they see fit instead promoting shooting rooms, and taking other desperate measures?

On one hand, were clearing prisons of nonviolent drug offenders, then on the other hand, had we're filling them up again with new nonviolent heroin users, because they can't get the pain meds they've become addicted too.
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Natural selection
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Robert Stout
May 9 2016, 12:14 PM
It is counter productive for American society to save the lives of heroin addicts.......... :oyvey
A good friend of mine is an addict.
I 'saved" her in 2004
She hasn't used in 12 years. now she is a successful realtor and leads a productive life...so shaddap
Edited by Mr. Tik, May 9 2016, 03:47 PM.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Robertr2000
May 9 2016, 01:27 PM
The solution is simple. Decriminalize all drugs.
Decriminalization of drug use would be a good idea. Decriminalization of all production, sale, transportation etc. would make control of dangerous and addicting substances impossible. That would be a very bad idea. There are things whose circulation in society must be controlled. Uranium 235, methamphetamines, and semi-automatic handguns come to mind as examples. If I had to explain it to you, you obviously wouldn't understand.
Edited by George Aligator, May 9 2016, 03:57 PM.
Conservatism is a social disease
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More evidence that drug companies helped cause the opioid epidemic — for their own profits

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/5/11600276/opioid-epidemic-oxycontin-purdue-pharma
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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George Aligator
May 9 2016, 03:56 PM
Robertr2000
May 9 2016, 01:27 PM
The solution is simple. Decriminalize all drugs.
Decriminalization of drug use would be a good idea. Decriminalization of all production, sale, transportation etc. would make control of dangerous and addicting substances impossible. That would be a very bad idea. There are things whose circulation in society must be controlled. Uranium 235, methamphetamines, and semi-automatic handguns come to mind as examples. If I had to explain it to you, you obviously wouldn't understand.
http://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening#.DvKhS3vys
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Adolph Hipster
May 9 2016, 03:46 PM
Robert Stout
May 9 2016, 12:14 PM
It is counter productive for American society to save the lives of heroin addicts.......... :oyvey
A good friend of mine is an addict.
I 'saved" her in 2004
She hasn't used in 12 years. now she is a successful realtor and leads a productive life...so shaddap
See.. people are inherently good, regardless of what you think.

This is ideal, not government handing out drugs.
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estonianman
May 9 2016, 04:32 PM
Adolph Hipster
May 9 2016, 03:46 PM
Robert Stout
May 9 2016, 12:14 PM
It is counter productive for American society to save the lives of heroin addicts.......... :oyvey
A good friend of mine is an addict.
I 'saved" her in 2004
She hasn't used in 12 years. now she is a successful realtor and leads a productive life...so shaddap
See.. people are inherently good, regardless of what you think.

This is ideal, not government handing out drugs.
I believe that humans are capable of great good and great evil..sometimes with the same individual

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place, oblige it to control itself.

James Madison
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Adolph Hipster
May 9 2016, 04:36 PM
estonianman
May 9 2016, 04:32 PM
Adolph Hipster
May 9 2016, 03:46 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepA good friend of mine is an addict.
I 'saved" her in 2004
She hasn't used in 12 years. now she is a successful realtor and leads a productive life...so shaddap
See.. people are inherently good, regardless of what you think.

This is ideal, not government handing out drugs.
I believe that humans are capable of great good and great evil..sometimes with the same individual

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place, oblige it to control itself.

James Madison
I didn't say all men were good - I just said the majority is.

4% are sociopaths.

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Adolph Hipster
May 9 2016, 03:46 PM
Robert Stout
May 9 2016, 12:14 PM
It is counter productive for American society to save the lives of heroin addicts.......... :oyvey
A good friend of mine is an addict.
I 'saved" her in 2004
She hasn't used in 12 years. now she is a successful realtor and leads a productive life...so shaddap
I have had several parolees die from heroin overdose...I called it the ultimate high...Their families were better off after the initial shock was over...I saved three heroin addicts from the drug by convincing them to become alcoholics...Booze is cheaper than heroin and legal...The truth is that most addictive personalities can only get away from their drug of choice by switching addictions....Methadone maintenance is often successful with heroin addicts who don't have a death wish....Neither Jesus, bleeding hearts, or the government can fully cure them....Publically funded shooting galleries and talking "treatment" is ineffective to the point of being absurd....Show me a "successful" drug treatment program, and I will show you their manipulation of statistics............ :booboo:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Robert Stout
May 9 2016, 12:14 PM
It is counter productive for American society to save the lives of heroin addicts.......... :oyvey
*sigh* It's not the addicts that are the issue, it's the dealers. Those addicted made a mistake that messed up their life and it can be a really difficult thing to get out of once you're addicted. No need for them to be dying needlessly if it can be prevented.
"I'll be the fella to save his Cinderella,
by turnin' her dream world into real life."
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Adolph Hipster
May 9 2016, 04:04 PM
More evidence that drug companies helped cause the opioid epidemic — for their own profits

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/5/11600276/opioid-epidemic-oxycontin-purdue-pharma
I thought Leroy, retailing drugs on the street corner, did that.......... :confused:
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Freaks1932
May 9 2016, 05:56 PM
Robert Stout
May 9 2016, 12:14 PM
It is counter productive for American society to save the lives of heroin addicts.......... :oyvey
*sigh* It's not the addicts that are the issue, it's the dealers. Those addicted made a mistake that messed up their life and it can be a really difficult thing to get out of once you're addicted. No need for them to be dying needlessly if it can be prevented.
Who really believes that heroin addicts should be prevented from killing themselves ???...Addicts are searching for that ultimate high...That is their subconscious goal in their miserable life...Heroin addicts should be eligible for doctor assisted suicide..................
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Robert Stout
May 9 2016, 06:14 PM
Freaks1932
May 9 2016, 05:56 PM
Robert Stout
May 9 2016, 12:14 PM
It is counter productive for American society to save the lives of heroin addicts.......... :oyvey
*sigh* It's not the addicts that are the issue, it's the dealers. Those addicted made a mistake that messed up their life and it can be a really difficult thing to get out of once you're addicted. No need for them to be dying needlessly if it can be prevented.
Who really believes that heroin addicts should be prevented from killing themselves ???...Addicts are searching for that ultimate high...That is their subconscious goal in their miserable life...Heroin addicts should be eligible for doctor assisted suicide..................
I guess you just see an addict and not a person. Because they're addicted to certain things their life has less value to you?
"I'll be the fella to save his Cinderella,
by turnin' her dream world into real life."
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