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Marxism
Topic Started: May 9 2016, 10:21 AM (613 Views)
estonianman
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Recently I have been debating communists, Marxists elsewhere and I realized that a few on these boards are using the same arguments. In particular, the continued class struggle between the bourgeoisie (capitalists) and the proletariat (workers). I do not throw the word Marxist around like a dirty word - there are many that self-identify as such especially on college campuses with the new social justice movement or cultural Marxism. Diving further you can clearly see this divide on the democrat board, mostly disguised as Bernie voters fighting the establishment supporters - but it is deeper then that. Is there a bonefide Marxist movement within the democrat party?

I challenge Marxists elsewhere that their ideology is authoritarian, which is perplexing to them as they see the capitalists as authoritarian which they seek to replace with their eventual classless, moneyless and stateless society. That's right, if the future fight is between authoritarians and libertarians, the government need not apply.

i'll leave you with this quote from the communist manifesto for now:

“The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guildmaster and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, that each time ended, either in the revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.”
― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto

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Nor surprise - the UBER thread has attracted this strain of Marxism like white on rice. The trigger word is profit, which Marxists view as exploitation. First Opie:

Opinionated
May 8 2016, 03:46 PM
Uber and Lyft are not "progress". They're capitalistic effort to screw the working man, and their customers, to make profits. They don't have to abide by the same regulations as taxi companies, which means they have an unfair competitive advantage, they don't guarantee their employees any income, they provide no benefits.

This is not "progress".


and then we have ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_labour

“Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.

Workingmen of all countries unite!”

― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto
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Who the eff cares what a libertarian thinks, other than other libertarians?
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Opinionated
May 9 2016, 10:40 AM
Who the eff cares what a libertarian thinks, other than other libertarians?
I find you particularly interesting opie - when I first called you a Marxist you took it as an insult despite reciting the very principles of Marxism.

I am just helping you discover yourself.

What is your position on private property?
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I find this particularly interesting ...

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Attaburnsinhell
May 9 2016, 09:55 AM

Capitalism used to rely on a massive workforce to manufacture commodities. The best way to maximise profits was to underpay that workforce, even to the extent of enslavement. That has been turned around.


https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/e/x.htm

But Atta is a statist - yes?

Even Marx understood that a government was required for the transition from a socialist to communist system, which at that end game - the proletariat would kill its masters and organize.
Edited by estonianman, May 9 2016, 10:50 AM.
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May 9 2016, 10:42 AM
Opinionated
May 9 2016, 10:40 AM
Who the eff cares what a libertarian thinks, other than other libertarians?
I find you particularly interesting opie - when I first called you a Marxist you took it as an insult despite reciting the very principles of Marxism.

I am just helping you discover yourself.

What is your position on private property?
I'm missing the ignore function right about now.
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Cultural Marxism is more dangerous than economic Marxism. The elite in this country practices capitalism with cultural Marxism. It's very profitable.
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Opinionated
May 9 2016, 11:04 AM
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May 9 2016, 10:42 AM
Opinionated
May 9 2016, 10:40 AM
Who the eff cares what a libertarian thinks, other than other libertarians?
I find you particularly interesting opie - when I first called you a Marxist you took it as an insult despite reciting the very principles of Marxism.

I am just helping you discover yourself.

What is your position on private property?
I'm missing the ignore function right about now.
It's here, just go to the same pull down menu as their posts on their profile. Only thing is, you won't know they posted at all like on the old site. It just won't show anything.

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You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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May 9 2016, 10:40 AM
Who the eff cares what a libertarian thinks, other than other libertarians?
Especially one that doesn't vote....


Have you paid your internet taxes?
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estonianman
May 9 2016, 10:44 AM
I find this particularly interesting ...

The only college students who are in chains are those who are into bondage.................. :rotflmao:
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estonianman
May 9 2016, 10:44 AM
I find this particularly interesting ...

Like esto..these students see themselves as being "oppressed"
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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May 9 2016, 01:43 PM
Do you think I am a faciest?
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May 9 2016, 01:58 PM
Opinionated
May 9 2016, 10:40 AM
Who the eff cares what a libertarian thinks, other than other libertarians?
Especially one that doesn't vote....
Yeah - notice I left you off this thread.

No worries comrade - you're next.
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May 9 2016, 11:34 AM
Cultural Marxism is more dangerous than economic Marxism. The elite in this country practices capitalism with cultural Marxism. It's very profitable.
I think they are equally dangerous.
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CautionaryTales
May 9 2016, 05:40 AM
So are convenience store robbers.
Just making a profit.....


Comparing UBER to convenience store robbers. CT is implying that UBER is stealing from its employees.

“These labourers, who must sell themselves piece-meal, are a commodity, like every other article of commerce, and are consequently exposed to all the vicissitudes of competition, to all the fluctuations of the market.”

― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto
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May 8 2016, 01:19 PM


Yes, Im all for soaking the rich, they were privilaged enough to soak everyone else

So what if the rich move? Soak them on the way out of 98% of their loot

Freedom aint freedom when only a few hold all the money


“The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.”

― Karl Marx
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May 9 2016, 11:04 AM
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May 9 2016, 10:42 AM
Opinionated
May 9 2016, 10:40 AM
Who the eff cares what a libertarian thinks, other than other libertarians?
I find you particularly interesting opie - when I first called you a Marxist you took it as an insult despite reciting the very principles of Marxism.

I am just helping you discover yourself.

What is your position on private property?
I'm missing the ignore function right about now.
True to form...

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