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Sorry, We Don’t Take Obamacare
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Topic Started: May 15 2016, 08:16 AM (795 Views)
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George Aligator
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May 15 2016, 08:16 AM
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AMY MOSES and her circle of self-employed small-business owners were supporters of President Obama and the Affordable Care Act. They bought policies on the newly created New York State exchange. But when they called doctors and hospitals in Manhattan to schedule appointments, they were dismayed to be turned away again and again with a common refrain: “We don’t take Obamacare,” the umbrella epithet for the hundreds of plans offered through the president’s signature health legislation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/sunday-review/sorry-we-dont-take-obamacare.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0
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May 15 2016, 10:59 AM
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"We don't take Obamacare" is a political statement and is not truthful. ACA is not something a doctor or hospital "takes". They "take" insurance plans from private insurance companies. Those companies negotiate coverage contracts with these doctors or hospitals. Depending on the coverage that an insurance policy includes, they set various price levels. If you buy cheaper insurance because that is what you can afford it is not going to include the same coverage as more expensive insurance. "Obamacare" has nothing to do with this outside setting up exchanges where various levels of insurance can be found and purchased from these private companies.
And yes, as costs continue to increase, most people start to think Single Payer is a better option but their elected officials will lag behind.
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May 15 2016, 01:13 PM
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"We don't take Obamacare" is a political statement and is not truthful. ACA is not something a doctor or hospital "takes". They "take" insurance plans from private insurance companies. Those companies negotiate coverage contracts with these doctors or hospitals. Depending on the coverage that an insurance policy includes, they set various price levels. If you buy cheaper insurance because that is what you can afford it is not going to include the same coverage as more expensive insurance. "Obamacare" has nothing to do with this outside setting up exchanges where various levels of insurance can be found and purchased from these private companies.
And yes, as costs continue to increase, most people start to think Single Payer is a better option but their elected officials will lag behind. Singe payer will most likely deincentivize supply, which means rationing will not be far behind. Like in Canada's backwards healthcare system - you can either wait 6 months for an MRI or pay $1000 cash to get one now.
This isn't better - this is an incremental step backwards.
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Robert Stout
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May 15 2016, 03:44 PM
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How many health insurance companies say, "Sorry, we don't do liver transplants...They cost $500,000...You are going to die anyway, and you were never worth $500,000 to anyone."....Some call this "rationing"....Others call this "reasoning".....................
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George Aligator
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May 15 2016, 05:29 PM
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"We don't take Obamacare" is a political statement and is not truthful. ACA is not something a doctor or hospital "takes". They "take" insurance plans from private insurance companies. Those companies negotiate coverage contracts with these doctors or hospitals. Depending on the coverage that an insurance policy includes, they set various price levels. If you buy cheaper insurance because that is what you can afford it is not going to include the same coverage as more expensive insurance. "Obamacare" has nothing to do with this outside setting up exchanges where various levels of insurance can be found and purchased from these private companies.
And yes, as costs continue to increase, most people start to think Single Payer is a better option but their elected officials will lag behind.
Singe payer will most likely deincentivize supply, which means rationing will not be far behind. Like in Canada's backwards healthcare system - you can either wait 6 months for an MRI or pay $1000 cash to get one now. This isn't better - this is an incremental step backwards. Canadian MRI service is not as you describe, at least not were I live. The profit motive is no guarantee of short waiting times nor is government funding always insufficient. If MRI capacity is insufficient, either an increase in what the government will pay or what the government will provide solves the problem. Recent improvements in waiting times in Briton's National Health are an example of watiing times fixed. Increasing the profit per MRI decreases waiting times for those who can still afford it but at the expense, often fatal, of those who cannot. Letting poor people die rather than increasing taxes on the rich is the conservative answer to inadequate capacity. No thanks.
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May 15 2016, 06:15 PM
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May 16 2016, 04:18 AM
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"We don't take Obamacare" is a political statement and is not truthful. ACA is not something a doctor or hospital "takes". They "take" insurance plans from private insurance companies. Those companies negotiate coverage contracts with these doctors or hospitals. Depending on the coverage that an insurance policy includes, they set various price levels. If you buy cheaper insurance because that is what you can afford it is not going to include the same coverage as more expensive insurance. "Obamacare" has nothing to do with this outside setting up exchanges where various levels of insurance can be found and purchased from these private companies.
And yes, as costs continue to increase, most people start to think Single Payer is a better option but their elected officials will lag behind.
Singe payer will most likely deincentivize supply, which means rationing will not be far behind. Like in Canada's backwards healthcare system - you can either wait 6 months for an MRI or pay $1000 cash to get one now. This isn't better - this is an incremental step backwards.
Canadian MRI service is not as you describe, at least not were I live. The profit motive is no guarantee of short waiting times nor is government funding always insufficient. If MRI capacity is insufficient, either an increase in what the government will pay or what the government will provide solves the problem. Recent improvements in waiting times in Briton's National Health are an example of watiing times fixed. Increasing the profit per MRI decreases waiting times for those who can still afford it but at the expense, often fatal, of those who cannot. Letting poor people die rather than increasing taxes on the rich is the conservative answer to inadequate capacity. No thanks. Yes, well you don't live in Great Britain. This is woefully misinformed at the very least and more likely politically disingenuous. Cash is king brother, move to the front of the line. Everyone but you knows this.
Negotiating with health care providers is an interesting exercise - let the notices pile up and see what they'll settle for, usually pennies on the dollar, depending on what they think they can get out of you. Same for service, there's the price that an insurance company will pay and there's the price providers will settle for if they can be paid immediately. This is the way health service is trending for those who can play the game, whether you want to play the game or not is actually the question.
The first thing a provider in the US determines is what your insurance is going to pay for - this happens before you see the doctor and it dictates your level of care, been that way for a while now. My very healthy 80+ year old neighbor gets every test under the sun that Medicare pays for and they're seem to be a lot of those... I think he spends more time in doctor's offices than he does sleeping.
Given the industrial action going on in the UK, one would think you wouldn't be holding them up as examples of much, junior doctors being ridiculously undercompensated and such. Your support for the 'working man' always seems quite elastic.
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May 16 2016, 04:59 AM
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"We don't take Obamacare" is a political statement and is not truthful. ACA is not something a doctor or hospital "takes". They "take" insurance plans from private insurance companies. Those companies negotiate coverage contracts with these doctors or hospitals. Depending on the coverage that an insurance policy includes, they set various price levels. If you buy cheaper insurance because that is what you can afford it is not going to include the same coverage as more expensive insurance. "Obamacare" has nothing to do with this outside setting up exchanges where various levels of insurance can be found and purchased from these private companies.
And yes, as costs continue to increase, most people start to think Single Payer is a better option but their elected officials will lag behind. Thanks for explanation to our Users; appreciated.
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May 16 2016, 07:53 AM
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"We don't take Obamacare" is a political statement and is not truthful. ACA is not something a doctor or hospital "takes". They "take" insurance plans from private insurance companies. Those companies negotiate coverage contracts with these doctors or hospitals. Depending on the coverage that an insurance policy includes, they set various price levels. If you buy cheaper insurance because that is what you can afford it is not going to include the same coverage as more expensive insurance. "Obamacare" has nothing to do with this outside setting up exchanges where various levels of insurance can be found and purchased from these private companies.
And yes, as costs continue to increase, most people start to think Single Payer is a better option but their elected officials will lag behind. Thanks for explanation to our Users; appreciated. Really? I thought it was a pretty lousy and very partisan explanation.
Health care in America is what Obamacare has mandated. You must have health insurance. You must pay a tax if you don't, percentages to increase over time. The insurance must cover certain parameters mandated by the govt, males must be covered for pap smears, etc. There are increased bureaucratic nightmares for providers, which get passed along in increased costs to the consumer. Certain types of insurance plans no longer exist. The list goes on.
There's no shortage of people on here, usually buck, extolling the 'virtues' of Obamacare when they can find them but mention the downsides and all of a sudden, it's 'a political statement.' Most people with a minimum number of synapses firing(doesn't include buck) have long figured out what the ACA is all about. It's a step on the way to a money grab by the govt, which is what nearly all govt actions are about.
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May 16 2016, 05:32 PM
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Canadian MRI service is not as you describe, at least not were I live. The profit motive is no guarantee of short waiting times nor is government funding always insufficient. If MRI capacity is insufficient, either an increase in what the government will pay or what the government will provide solves the problem. Recent improvements in waiting times in Briton's National Health are an example of watiing times fixed. Increasing the profit per MRI decreases waiting times for those who can still afford it but at the expense, often fatal, of those who cannot. Letting poor people die rather than increasing taxes on the rich is the conservative answer to inadequate capacity. No thanks.
Yes, well you don't live in Great Britain. This is woefully misinformed at the very least and more likely politically disingenuous. Cash is king brother, move to the front of the line. Everyone but you knows this. Negotiating with health care providers is an interesting exercise - let the notices pile up and see what they'll settle for, usually pennies on the dollar, depending on what they think they can get out of you. Same for service, there's the price that an insurance company will pay and there's the price providers will settle for if they can be paid immediately. This is the way health service is trending for those who can play the game, whether you want to play the game or not is actually the question. The first thing a provider in the US determines is what your insurance is going to pay for - this happens before you see the doctor and it dictates your level of care, been that way for a while now. My very healthy 80+ year old neighbor gets every test under the sun that Medicare pays for and they're seem to be a lot of those... I think he spends more time in doctor's offices than he does sleeping. Given the industrial action going on in the UK, one would think you wouldn't be holding them up as examples of much, junior doctors being ridiculously undercompensated and such. Your support for the 'working man' always seems quite elastic. Do you suffer from mild to moderate rectal itching? Save yourself the frustration and embarrassment of this common scourge by using those cute little digits at the ends of your palms to rub the source of frustration instead of trying to solve the problem by tapping the keyboard. It's quicker, it's easier and you avoid the painful humiliation of having your friends and colleagues see the sort of person you really are. The foregoing is a friendly tip from your psycho-proctologist.
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May 16 2016, 09:46 PM
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Yes, well you don't live in Great Britain. This is woefully misinformed at the very least and more likely politically disingenuous. Cash is king brother, move to the front of the line. Everyone but you knows this. Negotiating with health care providers is an interesting exercise - let the notices pile up and see what they'll settle for, usually pennies on the dollar, depending on what they think they can get out of you. Same for service, there's the price that an insurance company will pay and there's the price providers will settle for if they can be paid immediately. This is the way health service is trending for those who can play the game, whether you want to play the game or not is actually the question. The first thing a provider in the US determines is what your insurance is going to pay for - this happens before you see the doctor and it dictates your level of care, been that way for a while now. My very healthy 80+ year old neighbor gets every test under the sun that Medicare pays for and they're seem to be a lot of those... I think he spends more time in doctor's offices than he does sleeping. Given the industrial action going on in the UK, one would think you wouldn't be holding them up as examples of much, junior doctors being ridiculously undercompensated and such. Your support for the 'working man' always seems quite elastic.
Do you suffer from mild to moderate rectal itching? Save yourself the frustration and embarrassment of this common scourge by using those cute little digits at the ends of your palms to rub the source of frustration instead of trying to solve the problem by tapping the keyboard. It's quicker, it's easier and you avoid the painful humiliation of having your friends and colleagues see the sort of person you really are. The foregoing is a friendly tip from your psycho-proctologist. Ha, I'd avoid the topic too if I were you.
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Yes, well you don't live in Great Britain. This is woefully misinformed at the very least and more likely politically disingenuous. Cash is king brother, move to the front of the line. Everyone but you knows this. Negotiating with health care providers is an interesting exercise - let the notices pile up and see what they'll settle for, usually pennies on the dollar, depending on what they think they can get out of you. Same for service, there's the price that an insurance company will pay and there's the price providers will settle for if they can be paid immediately. This is the way health service is trending for those who can play the game, whether you want to play the game or not is actually the question. The first thing a provider in the US determines is what your insurance is going to pay for - this happens before you see the doctor and it dictates your level of care, been that way for a while now. My very healthy 80+ year old neighbor gets every test under the sun that Medicare pays for and they're seem to be a lot of those... I think he spends more time in doctor's offices than he does sleeping. Given the industrial action going on in the UK, one would think you wouldn't be holding them up as examples of much, junior doctors being ridiculously undercompensated and such. Your support for the 'working man' always seems quite elastic.
Do you suffer from mild to moderate rectal itching? Save yourself the frustration and embarrassment of this common scourge by using those cute little digits at the ends of your palms to rub the source of frustration instead of trying to solve the problem by tapping the keyboard. It's quicker, it's easier and you avoid the painful humiliation of having your friends and colleagues see the sort of person you really are. The foregoing is a friendly tip from your psycho-proctologist. What is it with Libs and their anal obsessions ....
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May 16 2016, 11:00 PM
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Do you suffer from mild to moderate rectal itching? Save yourself the frustration and embarrassment of this common scourge by using those cute little digits at the ends of your palms to rub the source of frustration instead of trying to solve the problem by tapping the keyboard. It's quicker, it's easier and you avoid the painful humiliation of having your friends and colleagues see the sort of person you really are. The foregoing is a friendly tip from your psycho-proctologist.
What is it with Libs and their anal obsessions .... There are two good points made on this thread----
1. You only get the best medical care you can afford to pay for... 2. Conservatives are Anal Retentive...
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What is it with Libs and their anal obsessions ....
There are two good points made on this thread---- 1. You only get the best medical care you can afford to pay for... 2. Conservatives are Anal Retentive... As a Conservative not a big fan of retaining anything in my anus....
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