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Reid blames Sanders supporters for disruptions at Nev. convention; Why do Democrats fear democracy?
Topic Started: May 17 2016, 11:36 AM (1,417 Views)
ringotuna
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CautionaryTales
May 18 2016, 06:23 AM
ringotuna
May 18 2016, 06:20 AM
CautionaryTales
May 18 2016, 06:15 AM
You're saying that the estimate of percent supporters in a caucus state is determined by the primary results from a different state?


Not at all.
I'm saying that the caucus format is advantageous to a candidate with the more dedicated support.
That is Sanders.

So how then are the votes cast in a non caucus state the quantifiable factor?

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To be clear.
Dedicated voters do not get more credit for their vote than a casual supporter gets for theirs.
While Sanders supporters can claim to be more dedicated, they cannot claim to be in the majority.
The claim that Clinton has three million might be a bit high... 2.7 may be closer to the truth. That number is in raw votes and is true. What the importance raw votes means could be argued either way.
If I were a candidate I would rather have an advantage in raw votes than a hypothetical advantage in dedicated support.


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ringotuna
May 18 2016, 06:29 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:23 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:20 AM
Not at all.
I'm saying that the caucus format is advantageous to a candidate with the more dedicated support.
That is Sanders.

So how then are the votes cast in a non caucus state the quantifiable factor?

It varies from state to state.
Clearly the caucus method favors Sanders..or rather, he is better equipped to take advantage of it.
Edited by CautionaryTales, May 18 2016, 06:32 AM.


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It's no surprise that the establishment doesn't like Sanders. He isn't beholden to special interests and big donors.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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May 18 2016, 06:35 AM
It's no surprise that the establishment doesn't like Sanders. He isn't beholden to special interests and big donors.
Sanders has his special interests and he would not be in contention without their support.
Every candidate has a special interest support group.
Otherwise they would not have any reason to run for office.


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May 18 2016, 06:30 AM
To be clear.
Dedicated voters do not get more credit for their vote than a casual supporter gets for theirs.
While Sanders supporters can claim to be more dedicated, they cannot claim to be in the majority.
The claim that Clinton has three million might be a bit high... 2.7 may be closer to the truth. That number is in raw votes and is true. What the importance raw votes means could be argued either way.
If I were a candidate I would rather have an advantage in raw votes than a hypothetical advantage in dedicated support.
So basically the 2.7 million number is based on primary states only? because there are only guesses from the caucus states?
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May 18 2016, 06:36 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:35 AM
It's no surprise that the establishment doesn't like Sanders. He isn't beholden to special interests and big donors.
Sanders has his special interests and he would not be in contention without their support.
Every candidate has a special interest support group.
Otherwise they would not have any reason to run for office.
We know the special interest groups supporting Hillary Clinton are major corporations, Saudi Arabia, and the republican neocon establishment which gave us Iraq.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
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ringotuna
May 18 2016, 06:37 AM
CautionaryTales
May 18 2016, 06:30 AM
To be clear.
Dedicated voters do not get more credit for their vote than a casual supporter gets for theirs.
While Sanders supporters can claim to be more dedicated, they cannot claim to be in the majority.
The claim that Clinton has three million might be a bit high... 2.7 may be closer to the truth. That number is in raw votes and is true. What the importance raw votes means could be argued either way.
If I were a candidate I would rather have an advantage in raw votes than a hypothetical advantage in dedicated support.
So basically the 2.7 million number is based on primary states only? because there are only guesses from the caucus states?
Estimates...guesses...whatever you want to call them. They are the reports of the caucus that support their delegate apportioning decision.
Combine those with the primary figures and the lead in votes Clinton claims is calculated.


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May 18 2016, 06:38 AM
CautionaryTales
May 18 2016, 06:36 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:35 AM
It's no surprise that the establishment doesn't like Sanders. He isn't beholden to special interests and big donors.
Sanders has his special interests and he would not be in contention without their support.
Every candidate has a special interest support group.
Otherwise they would not have any reason to run for office.
We know the special interest groups supporting Hillary Clinton are major corporations, Saudi Arabia, and the republican neocon establishment which gave us Iraq.
There are a great many other supporters of Clinton that you fail to mention.
Me, for example.
I'm a middle class old white guy.

Like it or not, it take a whole village buddy.
Edited by CautionaryTales, May 18 2016, 06:45 AM.


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May 18 2016, 06:43 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:38 AM
CautionaryTales
May 18 2016, 06:36 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
We know the special interest groups supporting Hillary Clinton are major corporations, Saudi Arabia, and the republican neocon establishment which gave us Iraq.
There are a great many other supporters of Clinton that you fail to mention.
Me, for example.
I'm a middle class old white guy.
You are consistent in giving your support to your own marginalization. Why you have chosen to throw your lot with scoundrels including Wall Street, Saudi Arabia, and Republican neocons is a mystery.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
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May 18 2016, 06:46 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:43 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:38 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
There are a great many other supporters of Clinton that you fail to mention.
Me, for example.
I'm a middle class old white guy.
You are consistent in giving your support to your own marginalization. Why you have chosen to throw your lot with scoundrels including Wall Street, Saudi Arabia, and Republican neocons is a mystery.
I support Hillary Clinton because she is the best capable person available to be running the country.
If Obama were eligible and running I would be supporting him, as he has proven to be an above average President and no other more apparently capable person has emerged as a candidate. Including Clinton.
It's not complicated.
Edited by CautionaryTales, May 18 2016, 06:50 AM.


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Betting on longshots doesn't win the long game.


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May 18 2016, 06:43 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:38 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:36 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
We know the special interest groups supporting Hillary Clinton are major corporations, Saudi Arabia, and the republican neocon establishment which gave us Iraq.
There are a great many other supporters of Clinton that you fail to mention.
Me, for example.
I'm a middle class old white guy.

Like it or not, it take a whole village buddy.
Is yours a caucus or primary state?
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ringotuna
May 18 2016, 06:51 AM
CautionaryTales
May 18 2016, 06:43 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:38 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
There are a great many other supporters of Clinton that you fail to mention.
Me, for example.
I'm a middle class old white guy.

Like it or not, it take a whole village buddy.
Is yours a caucus or primary state?
Mine is a primary state. There are two kinds of them. Winner take all and apportioned.
Mine is winner take all. (NJ)

It could be NJ that puts Clinton over the top. Close anyhow...
Edited by CautionaryTales, May 18 2016, 06:55 AM.


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May 18 2016, 06:50 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:46 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:43 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
You are consistent in giving your support to your own marginalization. Why you have chosen to throw your lot with scoundrels including Wall Street, Saudi Arabia, and Republican neocons is a mystery.
I support Hillary Clinton because she is the best capable person available to be running the country.
If Obama were eligible and running I would be supporting him, as he has proven to be an above average President and no other more apparently capable person has emerged as a candidate. Including Clinton.
It's not complicated.
Instead of "best capable", I'd have to go with "least worst" :biggrin:
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CautionaryTales
May 18 2016, 06:50 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:46 AM
CautionaryTales
May 18 2016, 06:43 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
You are consistent in giving your support to your own marginalization. Why you have chosen to throw your lot with scoundrels including Wall Street, Saudi Arabia, and Republican neocons is a mystery.
I support Hillary Clinton because she is the best capable person available to be running the country.
If Obama were eligible and running I would be supporting him, as he has proven to be an above average President and no other more apparently capable person has emerged as a candidate. Including Clinton.
It's not complicated.
She is the best person to run the country for special interests.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
#wallsnotwars
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May 18 2016, 06:55 AM
CautionaryTales
May 18 2016, 06:50 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:46 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
I support Hillary Clinton because she is the best capable person available to be running the country.
If Obama were eligible and running I would be supporting him, as he has proven to be an above average President and no other more apparently capable person has emerged as a candidate. Including Clinton.
It's not complicated.
She is the best person to run the country for special interests.
That's your opinion son.
The voters will get the chance to decide that.


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CautionaryTales
May 18 2016, 06:51 AM
Betting on longshots doesn't win the long game.
The game is rigged in favor of large multinational corporations including Saudi Arabia and that's where you have put your support.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
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ringotuna
May 18 2016, 06:54 AM
CautionaryTales
May 18 2016, 06:50 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:46 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
I support Hillary Clinton because she is the best capable person available to be running the country.
If Obama were eligible and running I would be supporting him, as he has proven to be an above average President and no other more apparently capable person has emerged as a candidate. Including Clinton.
It's not complicated.
Instead of "best capable", I'd have to go with "least worst" :biggrin:
That's your right to think so.


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May 18 2016, 06:57 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:55 AM
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May 18 2016, 06:50 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
She is the best person to run the country for special interests.
That's your opinion son.
The voters will get the chance to decide that.
In the democratic primary, special interests and the donor class already have.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
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