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Bernie Sanders, Eyeing Convention, Willing to Harm Hillary Clinton in the Homestretch; He strikes against the donor class
Topic Started: May 18 2016, 10:44 PM (1,332 Views)
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What's harming Clinton isn't actually the fact that Sanders won't quit. That's okay.

What's not okay is that Sanders is taking an ax to the party itself and to the legitimacy of the process. He probably figures he can just endorse her at the convention and all will be well. But the reality is that his slash-and-burn rhetoric against the party leadership is sowing discord among his voters that could be far harder to fix than he thinks. He's not just damaging Clinton. He's damaging the relationship the Democratic Party has to younger and more liberal voters.

Dangerous. Very dangerous.
"The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984
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May 18 2016, 11:06 PM
What's harming Clinton isn't actually the fact that Sanders won't quit. That's okay.

What's not okay is that Sanders is taking an ax to the party itself and to the legitimacy of the process. He probably figures he can just endorse her at the convention and all will be well. But the reality is that his slash-and-burn rhetoric against the party leadership is sowing discord among his voters that could be far harder to fix than he thinks. He's not just damaging Clinton. He's damaging the relationship the Democratic Party has to younger and more liberal voters.

Dangerous. Very dangerous.
Let him quit and run by himself, and us Bernie supporters will leave too. Then you Hillary supporters can win the general all by yourselves and don't cry about not getting our votes because we decided you don't deserve it.

Coverpoint and CautionaryTales, feel free tell your friend here that you lot don't need us. Trump or Hillary is all the same to me.
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Two a.m.
May 18 2016, 11:06 PM
What's harming Clinton isn't actually the fact that Sanders won't quit. That's okay.

What's not okay is that Sanders is taking an ax to the party itself and to the legitimacy of the process. He probably figures he can just endorse her at the convention and all will be well. But the reality is that his slash-and-burn rhetoric against the party leadership is sowing discord among his voters that could be far harder to fix than he thinks. He's not just damaging Clinton. He's damaging the relationship the Democratic Party has to younger and more liberal voters.

Dangerous. Very dangerous.
The process is illegitimate. Trump proved this and Sanders echoes it.
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May 18 2016, 11:14 PM
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May 18 2016, 11:06 PM
What's harming Clinton isn't actually the fact that Sanders won't quit. That's okay.

What's not okay is that Sanders is taking an ax to the party itself and to the legitimacy of the process. He probably figures he can just endorse her at the convention and all will be well. But the reality is that his slash-and-burn rhetoric against the party leadership is sowing discord among his voters that could be far harder to fix than he thinks. He's not just damaging Clinton. He's damaging the relationship the Democratic Party has to younger and more liberal voters.

Dangerous. Very dangerous.
The process is illegitimate. Trump proved this and Sanders echoes it.
Simply repeating that all the time doesn't make it true.

Trump got the most votes. He'll be the nominee.

Hillary got the most votes. She'll be the nominee.

That's not illegitimate. That's math.
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Eddo36
May 18 2016, 11:13 PM
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May 18 2016, 11:06 PM
What's harming Clinton isn't actually the fact that Sanders won't quit. That's okay.

What's not okay is that Sanders is taking an ax to the party itself and to the legitimacy of the process. He probably figures he can just endorse her at the convention and all will be well. But the reality is that his slash-and-burn rhetoric against the party leadership is sowing discord among his voters that could be far harder to fix than he thinks. He's not just damaging Clinton. He's damaging the relationship the Democratic Party has to younger and more liberal voters.

Dangerous. Very dangerous.
Let him quit and run by himself, and us Bernie supporters will leave too. Then you Hillary supporters can win the general all by yourselves and don't cry about not getting our votes because we decided you don't deserve it.

Coverpoint and CautionaryTales, feel free tell your friend here that you lot don't need us. Trump or Hillary is all the same to me.
He doesn't want to run by himself and get Trump elected. You may not be bright enough to understand the difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Fortunately, your hero Bernie is smarter than you and does understand the difference. He doesn't want a Trump presidency.

Problem is that he may be overestimating your intelligence. He probably figures that - at the last minute - he can endorse Hillary and jerk all his little cult members such as yourself back in line.

But I think many of you are more nihilistic than he understands and if he keeps poisoning the well, that may be a tougher job than he thinks.
"The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984
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May 18 2016, 11:06 PM
What's harming Clinton isn't actually the fact that Sanders won't quit. That's okay.

What's not okay is that Sanders is taking an ax to the party itself and to the legitimacy of the process. He probably figures he can just endorse her at the convention and all will be well. But the reality is that his slash-and-burn rhetoric against the party leadership is sowing discord among his voters that could be far harder to fix than he thinks. He's not just damaging Clinton. He's damaging the relationship the Democratic Party has to younger and more liberal voters.

Dangerous. Very dangerous.
Dangerous to whom ??? Sanders is the Trump of the Democratic Party...He aims to exterminate to political whores from their positions and throw out the money changers from the Temple...Dangerous to those who want to stop change from happening...Not dangerous to those who support democracy..... ......... :usa:
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May 19 2016, 01:11 AM
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May 18 2016, 11:06 PM
What's harming Clinton isn't actually the fact that Sanders won't quit. That's okay.

What's not okay is that Sanders is taking an ax to the party itself and to the legitimacy of the process. He probably figures he can just endorse her at the convention and all will be well. But the reality is that his slash-and-burn rhetoric against the party leadership is sowing discord among his voters that could be far harder to fix than he thinks. He's not just damaging Clinton. He's damaging the relationship the Democratic Party has to younger and more liberal voters.

Dangerous. Very dangerous.
Dangerous to whom ??? Sanders is the Trump of the Democratic Party...He aims to exterminate to political whores from their positions and throw out the money changers from the Temple...Dangerous to those who want to stop change from happening...Not dangerous to those who support democracy..... ......... :usa:
Last I checked, democracy involved the person with the most votes getting the nomination. That'd be Hillary Clinton. If Sen. Sanders supports democracy, the only change he should be worrying about right now are the preparations for his long-overdue exit from the primary election season he just lost.
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May 18 2016, 11:06 PM
What's harming Clinton isn't actually the fact that Sanders won't quit. That's okay.

What's not okay is that Sanders is taking an ax to the party itself and to the legitimacy of the process. He probably figures he can just endorse her at the convention and all will be well. But the reality is that his slash-and-burn rhetoric against the party leadership is sowing discord among his voters that could be far harder to fix than he thinks. He's not just damaging Clinton. He's damaging the relationship the Democratic Party has to younger and more liberal voters.

Dangerous. Very dangerous.
So both parties get axed? No big loss. They seem to need to be shaken up.
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Eddo36
May 18 2016, 11:13 PM
Two a.m.
May 18 2016, 11:06 PM
What's harming Clinton isn't actually the fact that Sanders won't quit. That's okay.

What's not okay is that Sanders is taking an ax to the party itself and to the legitimacy of the process. He probably figures he can just endorse her at the convention and all will be well. But the reality is that his slash-and-burn rhetoric against the party leadership is sowing discord among his voters that could be far harder to fix than he thinks. He's not just damaging Clinton. He's damaging the relationship the Democratic Party has to younger and more liberal voters.

Dangerous. Very dangerous.
Let him quit and run by himself, and us Bernie supporters will leave too. Then you Hillary supporters can win the general all by yourselves and don't cry about not getting our votes because we decided you don't deserve it.

Coverpoint and CautionaryTales, feel free tell your friend here that you lot don't need us. Trump or Hillary is all the same to me.
Actually, I told you to shove your vote up your ***


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My opinion of those Sanders supporters that think they should be specially catered to by Clinton is unprintable.
For a bunch of people that claim Clinton is a prisoner of special interests, they sure are interested in becoming her special interest.
They are not worth the trouble they bring. If they are going to be the left side version of the Tea Party poison, it's my hope they are rejected now. I don't want their brand of whiny throw yourself on the floor kicking and screaming until they get their way politics in my party.
They need to be rejected.
Period.


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May 18 2016, 11:35 PM
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May 18 2016, 11:13 PM
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May 18 2016, 11:06 PM
What's harming Clinton isn't actually the fact that Sanders won't quit. That's okay.

What's not okay is that Sanders is taking an ax to the party itself and to the legitimacy of the process. He probably figures he can just endorse her at the convention and all will be well. But the reality is that his slash-and-burn rhetoric against the party leadership is sowing discord among his voters that could be far harder to fix than he thinks. He's not just damaging Clinton. He's damaging the relationship the Democratic Party has to younger and more liberal voters.

Dangerous. Very dangerous.
Let him quit and run by himself, and us Bernie supporters will leave too. Then you Hillary supporters can win the general all by yourselves and don't cry about not getting our votes because we decided you don't deserve it.

Coverpoint and CautionaryTales, feel free tell your friend here that you lot don't need us. Trump or Hillary is all the same to me.
He doesn't want to run by himself and get Trump elected. You may not be bright enough to understand the difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Fortunately, your hero Bernie is smarter than you and does understand the difference. He doesn't want a Trump presidency.

Problem is that he may be overestimating your intelligence. He probably figures that - at the last minute - he can endorse Hillary and jerk all his little cult members such as yourself back in line.

But I think many of you are more nihilistic than he understands and if he keeps poisoning the well, that may be a tougher job than he thinks.
You need to stop trying to find other people to blame for the inadequacies of the Democratic Party hand picked nominee.

If the Democrats lose, and Sanders has endorsed their nominee and hasn't tried for a third party run for the Presidency, then the only ones Democrats will have to blame are themselves and their candidate.

Democrats are the ones pissing in the Wheaties of Bernie Sanders supporters and then with the next breath demanding that those same supporters vote for Clinton no matter how poorly the Democrats treat them, because Trump is evil.
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May 19 2016, 07:31 AM
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He doesn't want to run by himself and get Trump elected. You may not be bright enough to understand the difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Fortunately, your hero Bernie is smarter than you and does understand the difference. He doesn't want a Trump presidency.

Problem is that he may be overestimating your intelligence. He probably figures that - at the last minute - he can endorse Hillary and jerk all his little cult members such as yourself back in line.

But I think many of you are more nihilistic than he understands and if he keeps poisoning the well, that may be a tougher job than he thinks.
You need to stop trying to find other people to blame for the inadequacies of the Democratic Party hand picked nominee.

If the Democrats lose, and Sanders has endorsed their nominee and hasn't tried for a third party run for the Presidency, then the only ones Democrats will have to blame are themselves and their candidate.

Democrats are the ones pissing in the Wheaties of Bernie Sanders supporters and then with the next breath demanding that those same supporters vote for Clinton no matter how poorly the Democrats treat them, because Trump is evil.
If I were Sanders, I would resign from the Democratic Party and not endorse Hillary...I would return to Vermont, where I would remain their Senator until feebleness overtakes me , without needing the help of the Democratic Party or their Anointed candidate............... :usa:
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You need to stop trying to find other people to blame for the inadequacies of the Democratic Party hand picked nominee.

If the Democrats lose, and Sanders has endorsed their nominee and hasn't tried for a third party run for the Presidency, then the only ones Democrats will have to blame are themselves and their candidate.

Democrats are the ones pissing in the Wheaties of Bernie Sanders supporters and then with the next breath demanding that those same supporters vote for Clinton no matter how poorly the Democrats treat them, because Trump is evil.
If I were Sanders, I would resign from the Democratic Party and not endorse Hillary...I would return to Vermont, where I would remain their Senator until feebleness overtakes me , without needing the help of the Democratic Party or their Anointed candidate............... :usa:
That would be the final proof that he is the phony and hypocrite the Dems think he is. Go for it, Bernie!

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If I were Sanders, I would resign from the Democratic Party and not endorse Hillary...I would return to Vermont, where I would remain their Senator until feebleness overtakes me , without needing the help of the Democratic Party or their Anointed candidate............... :usa:
That would be the final proof that he is the phony and hypocrite the Dems think he is. Go for it, Bernie!

So, if he fights to the bitter end, he's an outsider egoist damaging the party and costing it the election. And if he bows out and quietly withdraws to Vermont, he's a hypocrite and a phony.

Apparently there is nothing Sanders can do that would make Clinton Democrats happy.
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No, because the damage is done. You can't unring a bell.
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And the Democratic Party played no role or part in any of this. They're just the innocent victims here. Right?
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The problem with Bernie Sanders and his supporters is that they really, really believe in what their guy is saying. This contrasts strongly with the other dissident faction, the Trump supporters, who are willing to dismiss the key themes of their guy's primary speeches as mere "suggestions."

The driving force behind Sanders is "social justice," a term that most conservatives don't understand and which the few that do, think abominable. But social justice, unlike anger at immigrants, is a positive force, an ideal worth fighting for. When you feel you are fighting for justice, you don't fold your tent and go home just because the other guy or gal pulls ahead.
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He doesn't want to run by himself and get Trump elected. You may not be bright enough to understand the difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Fortunately, your hero Bernie is smarter than you and does understand the difference. He doesn't want a Trump presidency.

Problem is that he may be overestimating your intelligence. He probably figures that - at the last minute - he can endorse Hillary and jerk all his little cult members such as yourself back in line.

But I think many of you are more nihilistic than he understands and if he keeps poisoning the well, that may be a tougher job than he thinks.
You need to stop trying to find other people to blame for the inadequacies of the Democratic Party hand picked nominee.

If the Democrats lose, and Sanders has endorsed their nominee and hasn't tried for a third party run for the Presidency, then the only ones Democrats will have to blame are themselves and their candidate.

Democrats are the ones pissing in the Wheaties of Bernie Sanders supporters and then with the next breath demanding that those same supporters vote for Clinton no matter how poorly the Democrats treat them, because Trump is evil.
You would be correct if not for a few very important points you overlooked. Which are: The DNC welcomed Bernie with open arms to run as a Democrat. Bernie has no chance of winning the nomination now - so it's time to bow out gracefully so no further damage is done to the party, just as the GOP candidates did.

Bernie refuses to quit the race until the last vote is counted when Hillary already has 92% of the nomination locked up. With the only reason being he's enjoying the spotlight - and he wishes to portray himself as the Senate's most influential powerbroker. When in fact, he's hurting the Democratic party not helping it.

It's come to the point now Hillary may well lose this election - the odds are increasing daily Trump will beat her, simply because the Democratic party is divided. Now all Bernie can think about is how can he and his supporters seek revenge against the DNC and its Superdelegates for not nominating him.

All of this because the DNC welcome Bernie with open arms to run as a Democrat - with the understanding he would play by party rules. Which he now refuses to do simply because his feelings are hurt and he has nothing to lose. Bernie Sanders has become cancer within the Democratic party - and has proven without a doubt why he deserves to lose.




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What's harming Clinton isn't actually the fact that Sanders won't quit. That's okay.

What's not okay is that Sanders is taking an ax to the party itself and to the legitimacy of the process. He probably figures he can just endorse her at the convention and all will be well. But the reality is that his slash-and-burn rhetoric against the party leadership is sowing discord among his voters that could be far harder to fix than he thinks. He's not just damaging Clinton. He's damaging the relationship the Democratic Party has to younger and more liberal voters.

Dangerous. Very dangerous.
Dangerous to whom ??? Sanders is the Trump of the Democratic Party...He aims to exterminate to political whores from their positions and throw out the money changers from the Temple...Dangerous to those who want to stop change from happening...Not dangerous to those who support democracy..... ......... :usa:
Last I checked, democracy involved the person with the most votes getting the nomination. That'd be Hillary Clinton. If Sen. Sanders supports democracy, the only change he should be worrying about right now are the preparations for his long-overdue exit from the primary election season he just lost.
Nominations aren't elections. They are the process to determine who best should be the party's candidate that can win the election

Hillary has the majority so far of the dem votes, but not the general voting public. She will lose to Trump, Sanders wont

Hillary should stand down and throw her full support behind Bernie, he can offer her the VP spot

Thats a guaranteed win
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