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India records its hottest temperature ever amid heat wave; 51 degrees Celsius (123.8 Fahrenheit)
Topic Started: May 20 2016, 07:24 AM (2,617 Views)
nNeo

As consensus builds and the physical evidence of warming becomes increasingly obvious, the lies of AGW deniers become more shrill and absurd.

W A Mozart
May 22 2016, 07:56 PM
There is NO global warming.


Every credible study shows warming, even the Koch funded one.
W A Mozart
May 22 2016, 07:56 PM
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The temperatures over the past 100 years have been rising slightly, as they should.


"rising slightly" = warming
"as they should"? should, based on what? with the same solar input, global temps are rising, consistent with increased greenhouse gases. That's AGW

W A Mozart
May 22 2016, 07:56 PM

There is only MODEST loss of ice on the North Pole, and a major increase on the South Pole.


Entirely wrong. The arctic is warming, melting dramatically. Northern hemisphere ice is record low. Antarctic sea ice showed some gains, mostly from fresh water runoff - melting land ice refreezing temporarily at sea, then melting again - but it's now below long term average. Parts of Antarctica are gaining modestly, parts are losing (because of shifts in wind and precipitation) but most major studies show net loss, and that appears to be accelerating.

W A Mozart
May 22 2016, 07:56 PM

There is a very, very slight rise in ocean water levels.

Sea levels don't rocket up. It's the whole planet. Sea levels are rising, and the rate of rise is increasing because of land ice melt, and thermal expansion from the whole ocean getting warming. That's significant and alarming if you care about the future beyond the next few years.

W A Mozart
May 22 2016, 07:56 PM

That's it. Nothing to worry about.


Says you, in self-interest

W A Mozart
May 22 2016, 07:56 PM
Nothing worth wrecking the entire world's economy over.


The world economy will be just fine. Oil companies, maybe not so much. Nothing to worry about though ;)
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May 22 2016, 03:42 PM
Robert Stout
May 22 2016, 03:19 PM
Apparently you have not heard my prediction of a Mini Ice Age ???................... :oyvey
Wrong, and supported by nothing.

And WAM tossing out already discredited crap, right on cue. There has been warming according to every credible study, and fairly constant with theory. You can quibble about sensitivity and feedbacks, or whether the scientific consensus is 97% or 95 or 98, but overwhelmingly experts who study the subject, and mountains of physical evidence support global warming. Nothing supports cooling beyond local or short term effects.

Deniers are liars or fools.
Oh, excuse me....I was reading what your climate scientists were predicting in the 1970s............ :lol:
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May 22 2016, 04:41 PM
It's easy to test whether the scientists are right or Mozart is right. Go look on Google Scholar, do a random search for climate science papers and go read them. If all the scientists are wrong then you'll easily be able to find more than a few percent that reject human-caused global warming. Rather than do this really, really easy test, science deniers have spent years bitching. Why?


NASA says "Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities." Mozart has opinion pieces by:
1) Alex Epstein, paid by the fossil fuel industry (“I am proud to work with the fossil fuel industry")
2) Roy Spencer, of the ~3 % of climate scientists outside the consensus, paid by Peabody coal for a court case where the judge decided he spouted rubbish. Creationist and believes his "job [is] a little like a legislator...to minimize the role of government."
3) Joe Bast of the Heartland Institute, which is paid by the fossil fuel industry for anti-science propaganda. The same group was paid by big tobacco to lie to the public about smoking and lung cancer.

They're good, persuasive writers, but very deceptive. They compare results of climate science with opinion polls of weathermen who have never done any science, for example. And report David Legates, who had to hide poll results and thousands of papers in order to get the results he wanted.
The weather girl I watch on TV may not may not be good at science but she has a great body............ :hooray:
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Robert Stout
May 22 2016, 09:50 PM
Oh, excuse me....I was reading what your climate scientists were predicting in the 1970s...
No you weren't. At least not the consensus.
Science, unlike faith, adjusts for new data and changing conditions. That said, the theory of AGW has been around for more than a century. The science supporting it began in the 1860s. This isn't some new fad, there's mountains of research in many disciplines supporting it.
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May 22 2016, 10:03 PM
Robert Stout
May 22 2016, 09:50 PM
Oh, excuse me....I was reading what your climate scientists were predicting in the 1970s...
No you weren't. At least not the consensus.
Science, unlike faith, adjusts for new data and changing conditions. That said, the theory of AGW has been around for more than a century. The science supporting it began in the 1860s. This isn't some new fad, there's mountains of research in many disciplines supporting it.
The fossil fuel industry came under attack in the 1970s, which coincides with warmist scientific breakthroughs....What comes first ???....The chicken or the egg ???...Why did India call global warming a tool of post colonial imperialism ???...Why did Western countries promise India $billions in hush money ???................ :dunno:
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Robert Stout
May 23 2016, 12:12 AM
The fossil fuel industry came under attack in the 1970s, which coincides with warmist scientific breakthroughs...
The science has been around a lot longer, as I pointed out. The physical effects have shown up more recently because out emissions have picked up with population, so the effects are accelerating.

We can and should be suspicious of "solutions" that involve large transfers of wealth, but regardless of what we do or don't do in reaction, the science is the same.

Robert Stout
May 23 2016, 12:12 AM
What comes first ???....The chicken or the egg ???


Physics and chemistry came first. Colonialism, propaganda, economics, and greed are more recent human constructs.
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I have known scientists...They are only human...Most avoid risking their careers by swimming against the overwelming tide...The dissenters will pay some sort of price............ :rollseyes:
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Entirely wrong. The arctic is warming melting dramatically. Northern hemisphere ice is record low, dramatically so.


Right. if you say so....

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Only six years ago, the BBC reported that the Arctic would be ice-free in summer by 2013, citing a scientist in the US who claimed this was a ‘conservative’ forecast. Perhaps it was their confidence that led more than 20 yachts to try to sail the Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific this summer. As of last week, all these vessels were stuck in the ice, some at the eastern end of the passage in Prince Regent Inlet, others further west at Cape Bathurst.
Shipping experts said the only way these vessels were likely to be freed was by the icebreakers of the Canadian coastguard. According to the official Canadian government website, the Northwest Passage has remained ice-bound and impassable all summer.
The BBC’s 2007 report quoted scientist Professor Wieslaw Maslowski, who based his views on super-computer models and the fact that ‘we use a high-resolution regional model for the Arctic Ocean and sea ice’.
He was confident his results were ‘much more realistic’ than other projections, which ‘underestimate the amount of heat delivered to the sea ice’. Also quoted was Cambridge University expert
Professor Peter Wadhams. He backed Professor Maslowski, saying his model was ‘more efficient’ than others because it ‘takes account of processes that happen internally in the ice’.
He added: ‘This is not a cycle; not just a fluctuation. In the end, it will all just melt away quite suddenly.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html#ixzz49U3UvseR


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W A Mozart
May 23 2016, 09:06 AM

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Yes, you've posted that illustration that several times - enough to qualify as spam in violation of site rules in fact, but I'll let it slide for now. It's marvelous example of denier dishonesty: a cherry-picked reference to what was at that time the lowest ice extent ever. The ice "recovered" for two seasons, but relative to the preceding decades was still quite low. Since then it's fallen again, and is well on the way to a record minimum extent this September.

Honest climate science deals with trends, not single points. The trend in arctic ice is down about 15% / decade. It's melting quickly.

Note that even your "recovery" season (purple) was well under the average for the preceding three decades, and the last two years are well under that.
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May 23 2016, 12:18 PM
Yes, you've posted that illustration that several times - enough to qualify as spam in violation of site rules in fact, but I'll let it slide for now. It's marvelous example of denier dishonesty: a cherry-picked reference to what was at that time the lowest ice extent ever. The ice "recovered" for two seasons, but relative to the preceding decades was still quite low. Since then it's fallen again, and is well on the way to a record minimum extent this September.

Honest climate science deals with trends, not single points. The trend in arctic ice is down about 15% / decade. It's melting quickly.

Note that even your "recovery" season (purple) was well under the average for the preceding three decades, and the last two years are well under that.
Mozart has mastered the techniques of denial. Arctic sea ice is melting and shrinking, and there's already less of it than it at least 1,400 years. Mozart will never admit these facts but will use the "FLICC" denial techniques:

1) False experts - some blogger, think tank or a Daily Mail journalist.
2) Logical fallacies - too many to name.
3) Impossible expectations - I observed that between June and December last year, London got colder! How can global warming be true if that happened?!
4) Cherry Picking - look through all the data, delete most of the data and pick one year of Arctic ice.
5) Conspiracy theories - did you know that a global cabal of scientists are being paid $1.5 trillion to invent global warming and Moon landings?

These are combined in a "Gish gallop" which is a tirade of bulls**t. Any time one of your bulls**t points is shown to be wrong, change the subject. It works until they're not allowed to change the subject, at which point they'll blame a conspiracy theory or say that this thing they brought up (e.g. Arctic sea ice) doesn't matter anyway.
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Mozart, do you think that Arctic sea ice is shrinking or growing? Here's the change in the yearly average of Arctic sea ice extent.

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Warmists are convinced that when Shiite happens, it must be caused by the failings of mankind...This brilliant thinking led to many virgins being sacrificed and many rain dances in the past...Are the Gods laughing at Warmists ???....Is correlation the same as cause and effect???.............. :oyvey
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May 24 2016, 01:56 AM
Mozart, do you think that Arctic sea ice is shrinking or growing? Here's the change in the yearly average of Arctic sea ice extent.

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Moscow is situated as far Northwards as Southern Alaska or Central Canada. For several years the winters are quite warmer. I can nothing but welcome it. What is all that fuss about? You had enough of good climate, let others have it too now... :)
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Though, I got interested and looked at the table of medium temperatures in Moscow. 2 tables - 1981-2010 and 2005-2014.
In the second we have : 4 winter months became colder than before for 1¤ C, and the rest became warmer, overall medium temperature of the year changed from + 5,8 to + 6,5. degrees Celcius. Winter becomes shorter but we have more days of severe frosts
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and in 1961-90 medium temperature of a year was +5 Celcius.
While 2015 became the warmest year for the whole history of observation with +7,5 C. abd 2008 is the second warmest. And sunny hours grew from 1731 to 1900 in 2000-2010 !
Well, definitely Global warming is going and going fast. It's excellent! Isn't it, Drudge?
Edited by Siberian, May 24 2016, 10:04 AM.
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May 20 2016, 08:16 AM
The 123.8 degree temperature in Phalodi barely beat the record set 60 years ago, prior to global warming...I have been in temperatures of over 121 degrees in Phoenix and Bullhead City....That is what deserts do............... :rotflmao:
As a child while living in Arizona temperature hit 115 to 123 , we ran around bare foot , cracks raw egg onto rocks to watch them fry.

Temperature on the sunny side on the outdoor Thermostat would hit 150 and upwards.
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May 24 2016, 10:01 AM
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May 20 2016, 08:16 AM
The 123.8 degree temperature in Phalodi barely beat the record set 60 years ago, prior to global warming...I have been in temperatures of over 121 degrees in Phoenix and Bullhead City....That is what deserts do............... :rotflmao:
As a child while living in Arizona temperature hit 115 to 123 , we ran around bare foot , cracks raw egg onto rocks to watch them fry.

Temperature on the sunny side on the outdoor Thermostat would hit 150 and upwards.
I feel bad for people in Surat. Tekperatures were lower but it was more humid - "feels like" temperatures of about 170 F or 77 C. They're reporting hundreds of heat-caused deaths each in Telengana and Delhi, other places yet to report and the wave isn't over. Last year's Indian heatwave killed thousands, and heatwaves have become more frequent recently.
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May 24 2016, 02:56 PM
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May 24 2016, 10:01 AM
Robert Stout
May 20 2016, 08:16 AM
The 123.8 degree temperature in Phalodi barely beat the record set 60 years ago, prior to global warming...I have been in temperatures of over 121 degrees in Phoenix and Bullhead City....That is what deserts do............... :rotflmao:
As a child while living in Arizona temperature hit 115 to 123 , we ran around bare foot , cracks raw egg onto rocks to watch them fry.

Temperature on the sunny side on the outdoor Thermostat would hit 150 and upwards.
I feel bad for people in Surat. Tekperatures were lower but it was more humid - "feels like" temperatures of about 170 F or 77 C. They're reporting hundreds of heat-caused deaths each in Telengana and Delhi, other places yet to report and the wave isn't over. Last year's Indian heatwave killed thousands, and heatwaves have become more frequent recently.
They should buy air conditioners...Adapt or die...Yeh, that's the ticket..................... :cheers:
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Gasp...! Ahhhrggg...!

The heat, ...it's unbearable. All that NEW energy spilling into the atmosphere. It's terrible...!

Oh, ...er, ....wait....

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(CNSNews.com) – With hurricane season set to start next week, Tuesday marks a record 127 months since a major hurricane has made landfall in the continental United States, according to statistics compiled by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA) Hurricane Research Division, which keeps data on all the hurricanes that have struck the U.S. since 1851.

The last major hurricane (defined as a Category 3 or above) to hit the U.S. mainland was Hurricane Wilma, which made landfall in Florida on Oct. 24, 2005.

Although a major hurricane typically strikes the U.S. about once every two years, no major hurricanes have made landfall in the U.S. for more than 10 and a half years.

The second longest stretch between major hurricane strikes was between the major hurricane that struck in August 1860 and the one that struck in September 1869, NOAA records show. The third longest stretch was between the major hurricane that struck in September 1900 and the one that struck in October 1906.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/season-approaches-record-127-months-major-hurricane-hit-us



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May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
Gasp...! Ahhhrggg...!

The heat, ...it's unbearable. All that NEW energy spilling into the atmosphere. It's terrible...!

Oh, ...er, ....wait....
You were talking about Arctic sea ice before. Do you think that it's growing or shrinking?
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