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| nNeo | May 22 2016, 09:45 PM Post #21 |
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As consensus builds and the physical evidence of warming becomes increasingly obvious, the lies of AGW deniers become more shrill and absurd.
Every credible study shows warming, even the Koch funded one.
"rising slightly" = warming "as they should"? should, based on what? with the same solar input, global temps are rising, consistent with increased greenhouse gases. That's AGW
Entirely wrong. The arctic is warming, melting dramatically. Northern hemisphere ice is record low. Antarctic sea ice showed some gains, mostly from fresh water runoff - melting land ice refreezing temporarily at sea, then melting again - but it's now below long term average. Parts of Antarctica are gaining modestly, parts are losing (because of shifts in wind and precipitation) but most major studies show net loss, and that appears to be accelerating.
Sea levels don't rocket up. It's the whole planet. Sea levels are rising, and the rate of rise is increasing because of land ice melt, and thermal expansion from the whole ocean getting warming. That's significant and alarming if you care about the future beyond the next few years.
Says you, in self-interest
The world economy will be just fine. Oil companies, maybe not so much. Nothing to worry about though
Edited by nNeo, May 24 2016, 01:31 AM.
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| Robert Stout | May 22 2016, 09:50 PM Post #22 |
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Oh, excuse me....I was reading what your climate scientists were predicting in the 1970s............
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| Robert Stout | May 22 2016, 09:55 PM Post #23 |
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The weather girl I watch on TV may not may not be good at science but she has a great body............
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| nNeo | May 22 2016, 10:03 PM Post #24 |
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No you weren't. At least not the consensus. Science, unlike faith, adjusts for new data and changing conditions. That said, the theory of AGW has been around for more than a century. The science supporting it began in the 1860s. This isn't some new fad, there's mountains of research in many disciplines supporting it. |
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| Robert Stout | May 23 2016, 12:12 AM Post #25 |
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The fossil fuel industry came under attack in the 1970s, which coincides with warmist scientific breakthroughs....What comes first ???....The chicken or the egg ???...Why did India call global warming a tool of post colonial imperialism ???...Why did Western countries promise India $billions in hush money ???................
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| nNeo | May 23 2016, 12:45 AM Post #26 |
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The science has been around a lot longer, as I pointed out. The physical effects have shown up more recently because out emissions have picked up with population, so the effects are accelerating. We can and should be suspicious of "solutions" that involve large transfers of wealth, but regardless of what we do or don't do in reaction, the science is the same.
Physics and chemistry came first. Colonialism, propaganda, economics, and greed are more recent human constructs. Edited by nNeo, May 23 2016, 12:47 AM.
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| Robert Stout | May 23 2016, 03:45 AM Post #27 |
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I have known scientists...They are only human...Most avoid risking their careers by swimming against the overwelming tide...The dissenters will pay some sort of price............
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| W A Mozart | May 23 2016, 09:06 AM Post #28 |
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Right. if you say so.... ![]()
Mozart Edited by W A Mozart, May 23 2016, 09:13 AM.
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| nNeo | May 23 2016, 12:18 PM Post #29 |
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Yes, you've posted that illustration that several times - enough to qualify as spam in violation of site rules in fact, but I'll let it slide for now. It's marvelous example of denier dishonesty: a cherry-picked reference to what was at that time the lowest ice extent ever. The ice "recovered" for two seasons, but relative to the preceding decades was still quite low. Since then it's fallen again, and is well on the way to a record minimum extent this September. Honest climate science deals with trends, not single points. The trend in arctic ice is down about 15% / decade. It's melting quickly. Note that even your "recovery" season (purple) was well under the average for the preceding three decades, and the last two years are well under that. Edited by nNeo, May 23 2016, 05:18 PM.
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| Scim | May 24 2016, 01:51 AM Post #30 |
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Mozart has mastered the techniques of denial. Arctic sea ice is melting and shrinking, and there's already less of it than it at least 1,400 years. Mozart will never admit these facts but will use the "FLICC" denial techniques: 1) False experts - some blogger, think tank or a Daily Mail journalist. 2) Logical fallacies - too many to name. 3) Impossible expectations - I observed that between June and December last year, London got colder! How can global warming be true if that happened?! 4) Cherry Picking - look through all the data, delete most of the data and pick one year of Arctic ice. 5) Conspiracy theories - did you know that a global cabal of scientists are being paid $1.5 trillion to invent global warming and Moon landings? These are combined in a "Gish gallop" which is a tirade of bulls**t. Any time one of your bulls**t points is shown to be wrong, change the subject. It works until they're not allowed to change the subject, at which point they'll blame a conspiracy theory or say that this thing they brought up (e.g. Arctic sea ice) doesn't matter anyway. Edited by Scim, May 24 2016, 01:57 AM.
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| Scim | May 24 2016, 01:56 AM Post #31 |
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Mozart, do you think that Arctic sea ice is shrinking or growing? Here's the change in the yearly average of Arctic sea ice extent.
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| Robert Stout | May 24 2016, 03:52 AM Post #32 |
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Warmists are convinced that when Shiite happens, it must be caused by the failings of mankind...This brilliant thinking led to many virgins being sacrificed and many rain dances in the past...Are the Gods laughing at Warmists ???....Is correlation the same as cause and effect???.............. :oyvey
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| Siberian | May 24 2016, 09:19 AM Post #33 |
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Moscow is situated as far Northwards as Southern Alaska or Central Canada. For several years the winters are quite warmer. I can nothing but welcome it. What is all that fuss about? You had enough of good climate, let others have it too now...
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| Siberian | May 24 2016, 09:30 AM Post #34 |
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Though, I got interested and looked at the table of medium temperatures in Moscow. 2 tables - 1981-2010 and 2005-2014. In the second we have : 4 winter months became colder than before for 1¤ C, and the rest became warmer, overall medium temperature of the year changed from + 5,8 to + 6,5. degrees Celcius. Winter becomes shorter but we have more days of severe frosts Edited by Siberian, May 24 2016, 09:34 AM.
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| Goood morning GULAG!!! | |
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| Siberian | May 24 2016, 09:59 AM Post #35 |
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and in 1961-90 medium temperature of a year was +5 Celcius. While 2015 became the warmest year for the whole history of observation with +7,5 C. abd 2008 is the second warmest. And sunny hours grew from 1731 to 1900 in 2000-2010 ! Well, definitely Global warming is going and going fast. It's excellent! Isn't it, Drudge? Edited by Siberian, May 24 2016, 10:04 AM.
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| edro14 | May 24 2016, 10:01 AM Post #36 |
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As a child while living in Arizona temperature hit 115 to 123 , we ran around bare foot , cracks raw egg onto rocks to watch them fry. Temperature on the sunny side on the outdoor Thermostat would hit 150 and upwards. |
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| Scim | May 24 2016, 02:56 PM Post #37 |
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I feel bad for people in Surat. Tekperatures were lower but it was more humid - "feels like" temperatures of about 170 F or 77 C. They're reporting hundreds of heat-caused deaths each in Telengana and Delhi, other places yet to report and the wave isn't over. Last year's Indian heatwave killed thousands, and heatwaves have become more frequent recently. |
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| Robert Stout | May 24 2016, 03:54 PM Post #38 |
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They should buy air conditioners...Adapt or die...Yeh, that's the ticket.....................
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| W A Mozart | May 24 2016, 10:01 PM Post #39 |
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Gasp...! Ahhhrggg...! The heat, ...it's unbearable. All that NEW energy spilling into the atmosphere. It's terrible...! Oh, ...er, ....wait....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb6e2iBsRjc Mozart |
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| Scim | May 25 2016, 02:55 PM Post #40 |
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You were talking about Arctic sea ice before. Do you think that it's growing or shrinking? |
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