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India records its hottest temperature ever amid heat wave; 51 degrees Celsius (123.8 Fahrenheit)
Topic Started: May 20 2016, 07:24 AM (2,616 Views)
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Robert Stout
May 20 2016, 08:16 AM
The 123.8 degree temperature in Phalodi barely beat the record set 60 years ago, prior to global warming...I have been in temperatures of over 121 degrees in Phoenix and Bullhead City....That is what deserts do............... :rotflmao:
Global warming is not indicated by highest “high” temperatures.

It is indicated by the the highest “low” temperatures.
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nNeo

coverpoint
May 25 2016, 04:57 PM
Robert Stout
May 20 2016, 08:16 AM
The 123.8 degree temperature in Phalodi barely beat the record set 60 years ago, prior to global warming...I have been in temperatures of over 121 degrees in Phoenix and Bullhead City....That is what deserts do............... :rotflmao:
Global warming is not indicated by highest “high” temperatures.

It is indicated by the the highest “low” temperatures.
actually neither - it's averages and trends over time
it is helpful to look at the ratio of record highs to record lows though

For the last decade we're getting record highs significantly more often than lows, another indication that overall temps are going up
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Scim
May 25 2016, 02:55 PM
W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
Gasp...! Ahhhrggg...!

The heat, ...it's unbearable. All that NEW energy spilling into the atmosphere. It's terrible...!

Oh, ...er, ....wait....
You were talking about Arctic sea ice before. Do you think that it's growing or shrinking?
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Scim
May 25 2016, 02:55 PM
W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
Gasp...! Ahhhrggg...!

The heat, ...it's unbearable. All that NEW energy spilling into the atmosphere. It's terrible...!

Oh, ...er, ....wait....
You were talking about Arctic sea ice before. Do you think that it's growing or shrinking?
It grows and it shrinks despite anything you say or do.................. :oyvey
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Robert Stout
May 25 2016, 06:03 PM
Scim
May 25 2016, 02:55 PM
W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
Gasp...! Ahhhrggg...!

The heat, ...it's unbearable. All that NEW energy spilling into the atmosphere. It's terrible...!

Oh, ...er, ....wait....
You were talking about Arctic sea ice before. Do you think that it's growing or shrinking?
It grows and it shrinks despite anything you say or do.................. :oyvey
of course it does, that's well understood.
We're talking about changes in the rate of growth vs melt, and factors that affect that.

but the question was to WAM, who brought it up
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nNeo
May 25 2016, 06:14 PM
Robert Stout
May 25 2016, 06:03 PM
Scim
May 25 2016, 02:55 PM

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It grows and it shrinks despite anything you say or do.................. :oyvey
of course it does, that's well understood.
We're talking about changes in the rate of growth vs melt, and factors that affect that.

but the question was to WAM, who brought it up
WAM is unavailable at the moment, so may I add that the Arctic was much warmer with less ice throughout the last 10,000 years....Perhaps Warmists confuse reverting to the mean with man caused climate catastrophe...Ice core samples are a double edged sword to Warmists....You will never understand the thousand of factors that effect the Arctic ice changes............. :lol:
Edited by Robert Stout, May 25 2016, 07:32 PM.
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nNeo
May 25 2016, 05:49 PM
Scim
May 25 2016, 02:55 PM
W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
Gasp...! Ahhhrggg...!

The heat, ...it's unbearable. All that NEW energy spilling into the atmosphere. It's terrible...!

Oh, ...er, ....wait....
You were talking about Arctic sea ice before. Do you think that it's growing or shrinking?
bump
Bumpity, bumpity, ....bump.

There's been a "slight" decrease in Arctic sea ice, and a fairly substantial "increase" in the ice coverage of Antarctica. It is impossible to argue that "global warming" is taking place with both these events taking place at the same time. That's why there is a DESPERATION amongst the silly global warmers to prove that Antarctic Ice is NOT increasing. They've tried, but no banana. They lose! But, as we've shown with our graphs, the sea ice coverage of the Arctic fluctuates quite a bit from season to season, i.e. witness 2012 .vs 2013. There was, as you should know, a DRAMATIC drop in Arctic sea ice during the 1920's as well. Global warming in the 1920's?....ah, ...no.


No global warming! hurrah!

But how do WE get rid of the 1.5 trillion dollar industry that's grown around it? It's kinda like Eisenhower's referral to the "military industrial complex" of the 1950's. Again, 1.5 trillion bucks waisted....!


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nNeo

W A Mozart
May 25 2016, 08:01 PM

There's been a "slight" decrease in Arctic sea ice, and a fairly substantial "increase" in the ice coverage of Antarctica.
You've said that already. It's still wrong.
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Robert Stout
May 25 2016, 07:29 PM
Perhaps Warmists confuse reverting to the mean with man caused climate catastrophe
Nope, no confusion. Natural variation happens all the time, for a number of reasons, which are increasingly well-understood. You are using the common - but false - thinking that because things happen naturally, they are inherently natural and can't be changed by human activity. Which is like saying "because forest fires occur naturally they can't have come from people".

We know that global temperatures rise according to changes in insolation and greenhouse gas levels. That's true regardless of the source of those changes. In this case humans are adding greenhouse gas, which is altering the natural balance.
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nNeo
May 25 2016, 08:17 PM
Robert Stout
May 25 2016, 07:29 PM
Perhaps Warmists confuse reverting to the mean with man caused climate catastrophe
Nope, no confusion. Natural variation happens all the time, for a number of reasons, which are increasingly well-understood. You are using the common - but false - thinking that because things happen naturally, they are inherently natural and can't be changed by human activity. Which is like saying "because forest fires occur naturally they can't have come from people".

We know that global temperatures rise according to changes in insolation and greenhouse gas levels. That's true regardless of the source of those changes. In this case humans are adding greenhouse gas, which is altering the natural balance.
We could outlaw growing corn and raising cows in the USA, but not only will it get cooler, people will be hungrier............. :oyvey
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nNeo
May 25 2016, 08:11 PM
W A Mozart
May 25 2016, 08:01 PM

There's been a "slight" decrease in Arctic sea ice, and a fairly substantial "increase" in the ice coverage of Antarctica.
You've said that already. It's still wrong.
Wrong? I'm never wrong.

Besides which, that's all ya got? All that effort on getting me to respond, ..."YOU'VE SAID THAT ALREADY?" tch, ...tch...

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W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
There's been a "slight" decrease in Arctic sea ice, and a fairly substantial "increase" in the ice coverage of Antarctica.


March is typically when Antarctic sea ice shrinks to its smallest extent and the Arctic its at its largest. September is the other way round. The data is online so we can check the trends and see how much ice has gone. March: the Arctic has lost 1.6 million sq km of ice. The Antarctic has gained 0.8 million sq km. September: the Arctic has lost 3.2 million sq km of ice and the Antarctic has gained 0.8 million sq km.

Mozart, do you believe a "slight decrease" is 3.2 but a "substantial increase" is 0.8? (I know you'll never accept that 3.2 is bigger than 0.8 but it's fun to see how you'll change the subject this time ;) )

W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
That's why there is a DESPERATION amongst the silly global warmers to prove that Antarctic Ice is NOT increasing. They've tried, but no banana.


Where have "they" tried?

W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
But, as we've shown with our graphs, the sea ice coverage of the Arctic fluctuates quite a bit from season to season, i.e. witness 2012 .vs 2013.


It's easy to calculate the "r2" of a trend. Bigger means the trend is more important, smaller means it's less important (e.g. "variability" is relatively bigger). For the Arctic the r2 is 0.75 in March and September and in the Antarctic it's 0.19 in March and 0.28 in September. Do you agree that 0.75 is bigger than 0.28?

W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
There was, as you should know, a DRAMATIC drop in Arctic sea ice during the 1920's as well. Global warming in the 1920's?....ah, ...no.


Arctic sea ice is covering less area than any time in at least 1,450 years.
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You are cherry picking your time period....During 4,000 to 8,000 years ago arctic summer ice was usually half of what it is now...Was it due to man's use of fossil fuels ???........... :lol:
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I see SCIM has turned RS into a pickle again.
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Robert Stout
May 26 2016, 12:48 AM
We could outlaw growing corn and raising cows in the USA, but not only will it get cooler, people will be hungrier.
We could, but don't need to, though eating less meat and healthier grains would be better for millions of Americans, which would lower health care costs. You might be on to something.

Anyway, we can distinguish natural cycles from the added radiative forcing from higher GHG levels.
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May 26 2016, 08:53 AM
Robert Stout
May 26 2016, 12:48 AM
We could outlaw growing corn and raising cows in the USA, but not only will it get cooler, people will be hungrier.
We could, but don't need to, though eating less meat and healthier grains would be better for millions of Americans, which would lower health care costs. You might be on to something.

Anyway, we can distinguish natural cycles from the added radiative forcing from higher GHG levels.
Apparently you ignore the tremendous GHG levels from America's corn industry and cow farts.......... :wah:
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Robert Stout
May 26 2016, 05:12 AM
You are cherry picking your time period....During 4,000 to 8,000 years ago arctic summer ice was usually half of what it is now...Was it due to man's use of fossil fuels ???........... :lol:
Got a reference?

Wouldn't be too surprising. It's been warmer in the past and Florida didn't exist then either.
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" Got a reference?"

You are the one who claims to be a scientist...Check the Danish studies on beach debris........... :oyvey
Edited by Robert Stout, May 26 2016, 01:41 PM.
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Robert Stout
May 26 2016, 01:39 PM
" Got a reference?"

You are the one who claims to be a scientist...Check the Danish studies on beach debris........... :oyvey
Is that a "no"?
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May 26 2016, 02:35 PM
Robert Stout
May 26 2016, 01:39 PM
" Got a reference?"

You are the one who claims to be a scientist...Check the Danish studies on beach debris........... :oyvey
Is that a "no"?
I give leads to find it on the internet....Do your own homework............... :biggrin:
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