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India records its hottest temperature ever amid heat wave; 51 degrees Celsius (123.8 Fahrenheit)
Topic Started: May 20 2016, 07:24 AM (2,615 Views)
nNeo

Robert Stout
May 26 2016, 07:35 PM
Scim
May 26 2016, 02:35 PM
Robert Stout
May 26 2016, 01:39 PM
" Got a reference?"

You are the one who claims to be a scientist...Check the Danish studies on beach debris........... :oyvey
Is that a "no"?
I give leads to find it on the internet....Do your own homework............... :biggrin:
So "no".

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May 26 2016, 07:53 PM
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May 26 2016, 07:35 PM
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May 26 2016, 02:35 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
I give leads to find it on the internet....Do your own homework............... :biggrin:
So "no".

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Modify that to "Hell no"........ :booboo:
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May 26 2016, 02:26 AM
W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
There's been a "slight" decrease in Arctic sea ice, and a fairly substantial "increase" in the ice coverage of Antarctica.


March is typically when Antarctic sea ice shrinks to its smallest extent and the Arctic its at its largest. September is the other way round. The data is online so we can check the trends and see how much ice has gone. March: the Arctic has lost 1.6 million sq km of ice. The Antarctic has gained 0.8 million sq km. September: the Arctic has lost 3.2 million sq km of ice and the Antarctic has gained 0.8 million sq km.

Mozart, do you believe a "slight decrease" is 3.2 but a "substantial increase" is 0.8? (I know you'll never accept that 3.2 is bigger than 0.8 but it's fun to see how you'll change the subject this time ;) )

W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
That's why there is a DESPERATION amongst the silly global warmers to prove that Antarctic Ice is NOT increasing. They've tried, but no banana.


Where have "they" tried?

W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
But, as we've shown with our graphs, the sea ice coverage of the Arctic fluctuates quite a bit from season to season, i.e. witness 2012 .vs 2013.


It's easy to calculate the "r2" of a trend. Bigger means the trend is more important, smaller means it's less important (e.g. "variability" is relatively bigger). For the Arctic the r2 is 0.75 in March and September and in the Antarctic it's 0.19 in March and 0.28 in September. Do you agree that 0.75 is bigger than 0.28?

W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
There was, as you should know, a DRAMATIC drop in Arctic sea ice during the 1920's as well. Global warming in the 1920's?....ah, ...no.


Arctic sea ice is covering less area than any time in at least 1,450 years.
1,400 years? Prove that....!

What, like, Charlemagne sent a bunch of his boys up to the Arctic to measure sea ice? In the year 800? Really? We KNOW what Arctic sea ice looked like in the year 800? C'mon. How do you know that during the reign of Henry VIII the Arctic sea ice was lower than today? Maybe he sent Anne Boleyn up to the Arctic to check-out the ice coverage, before he cut-off her head? Where does all this data come from? This is utter nonsense!

Furthermore, with regards to the question of North Pole vs. South Pole there is this:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/03/03/climate-fail-antarctic-sea-ice-did-the-exact-opposite-of-what-models-predicted/

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Climate FAIL: Antarctic Sea Ice Did The Exact Opposite Of What Models Predicted
Anthony Watts / March 3, 2015
By Michael Bastasch, The Daily Caller, 2 March 2015

Climate models can be good tools for predicting future sea ice levels — unless, of course, they are completely wrong. In the case of Antarctica, the climate models were dead wrong, according to a new study by Chinese scientists published in the journal Cryosphere.

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The study found that most climate models predicted Antarctic sea ice coverage would shrink as the world warmed and greenhouse gas levels increased.

The opposite happened. Most climate models analyzed in the study predicted Antarctica would shrink between 1979 and 2005, but instead south pole sea ice levels increased during that time. Going a step further, sea ice levels have only increased since 2006, hitting all-time highs for sea ice coverage in September of last year.

“For the Antarctic, the main problem of the [climate] models is their inability to reproduce the observed slight increase of sea ice extent,” researchers wrote in their study.

“Both satellite-observed Antarctic [sea ice extent] and [satellite measured] Antarctic [sea ice volume] shows increasing trends over the period of 1979–2005, but [climate models’] Antarctic [sea ice extent] and [sea ice volume] have decreasing trends,” researchers added. “Only eight models’ [sea ice extent] and eight models’ [sea ice volume] show increasing trends.”

Chinese scientists only looked at sea ice projections until 2005. Had they kept going, they would find more than a trend of “slightly increasing” sea ice levels. Last year was the first year on record that Antarctic sea ice coverage rose above 7.72 [million] square miles.

By Sept. 22, 2014, sea ice extent reached its highest level on record — 7.76 [million] square miles. Antarctica is now in its melt season, but even so, sea ice levels were very high for late December and early January.

The same can’t be said for Arctic sea ice coverage. The Chinese study notes that for the Arctic “both climatology and linear trend are better reproduced.” Climate models predicted Arctic sea ice extent and volume would decrease as the world warmed, which it has.



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May 26 2016, 02:26 AM
W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
There's been a "slight" decrease in Arctic sea ice, and a fairly substantial "increase" in the ice coverage of Antarctica.


...Mozart, do you believe a "slight decrease" is 3.2 but a "substantial increase" is 0.8?...


Do you think that a "slight decrease" is losing 3.2 million sq km but a "substantial increase" is gaining 0.8 million sq km?

Scim
May 26 2016, 02:26 AM
W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
That's why there is a DESPERATION amongst the silly global warmers to prove that Antarctic Ice is NOT increasing. They've tried, but no banana.


Where have "they" tried?


You think "they" tried to cover up changes in Antarctica because you found a media report about a paper done by scientists that also had a press release? The data's public and there are a bunch of other papers and press releases. Are "they" trying to hide Antarctica by doing press releases about what's going on there?

Scim
May 26 2016, 02:26 AM
W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
But, as we've shown with our graphs, the sea ice coverage of the Arctic fluctuates quite a bit from season to season, i.e. witness 2012 .vs 2013.


It's easy to calculate the "r2" of a trend. Bigger means the trend is more important, smaller means it's less important (e.g. "variability" is relatively bigger). For the Arctic the r2 is 0.75 in March and September and in the Antarctic it's 0.19 in March and 0.28 in September....


75% of change seen in the Arctic is due to the shrinking trend. That means the trend is dominating variability: it's the other way round in the Antarctic. Do you now agree? I gave you the link to the numbers so you can check.

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W A Mozart
May 24 2016, 10:01 PM
There was, as you should know, a DRAMATIC drop in Arctic sea ice during the 1920's as well. Global warming in the 1920's?....ah, ...no.


Arctic sea ice is covering less area than any time in at least 1,450 years.
1,400 years? Prove that....!


The paper is here. Isotope measurements of trapped air are confirmed by modern data and Danish shipping records starting in 1893. Arctic sea now covers the smallest area in at least 1,450 years - or do you think you know better than the scientists who went out and extracted all the data records and analysed them?

You seem to believe that 0.8 is bigger than 3.2, so I'm skeptical that you know much more than working scientists.
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Climate science deniers tell the public that Arctic sea ice has covered less area within the last century, particularly a "low ice" year in 1938. A lot of people believe them. Here's a comparison of sea ice cover reported by Danish shipping records in 1938 with satellite measurements of sea ice in 2012. The scale's a bit different so you need to use geography to reference things, but you can see how well-supported the beliefs of the climate science haters are.

EDIT: we should be very careful with the comparison. It's two individual datapoints so could mean nothing. But I posted all the data above so we know that the real trend is Arctic sea ice is shrinking and it's covering less area now than in at least 1,450 years. So this is just an illustration, but it also illustrates who flimsy the beliefs of the anti-science crowd are.

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Climate is changing. Always.

Co2 has little or nothing to do with it.
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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Antarctica:

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Global Warming?


Edited by Robertr2000, Jun 6 2016, 04:04 PM.
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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May 22 2016, 04:50 PM
NASA's temperature record is below. Data is here. Global warming is happening.

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Good chart


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World's hottest day in Death Valley


(and it was 100 years ago)

One hundred years ago Wednesday -- in the barren moonscape of Death Valley, Calif. -- a thermometer reached a scorching 134 degrees F, which is the hottest temperature ever recorded on the planet. Today, meteorologists and weather aficionados are gathering at the Furnace Creek Visitor Center in Death Valley to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the world record high temperature. "On July 10, 1913, a temperature of 134 degrees Fahrenheit was recorded here, which stands as the hottest air temperature ever recorded on a properly sited and maintained thermometer anywhere in the world," the National Weather Service reports.



thank goodness we're cooling down. :tongue:
Edited by Robertr2000, Jun 6 2016, 04:10 PM.
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Jun 6 2016, 04:08 PM
Scim
May 22 2016, 04:50 PM
NASA's temperature record is below. Data is here. Global warming is happening.

Posted Image
Good chart
Maybe the Sun is getting hotter.
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Jun 6 2016, 04:12 PM
Maybe the Sun is getting hotter.
97% of climate research and science groups like NASA say that humans are causing global warming. Do you think they didn't bother to check what the Sun's doing?
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Jun 6 2016, 04:12 PM
Maybe the Sun is getting hotter.
97% of climate research and science groups like NASA say that humans are causing global warming. Do you think they didn't bother to check what the Sun's doing?
It's the crime of omission. :tongue:
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Did the scientists find what caused periods of global warming during the last 10,000 years ???.............................. :dunno:
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Jun 6 2016, 06:51 PM
Did the scientists find what caused periods of global warming during the last 10,000 years ???.............................. :dunno:
Dino farts maybe?
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Maybe the Sun is getting hotter.
97% of climate research and science groups like NASA say that humans are causing global warming. Do you think they didn't bother to check what the Sun's doing?
It's the crime of omission. :tongue:
You think a cooling Sun is causing Earth to warm?
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Damn, where is this global warming?
Yesterday's high was +10 C , tomorrow they expect MINUS 2 Celcius at night in Moscow region, the rain doesn't stop for the 3d day..
It feels like early-mid October
Edited by Siberian, Jun 7 2016, 02:22 AM.
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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it's almost noon and it's still just +7 Celcius in Moscow..
Global warming is everywhere, just everywhere...
https://www.gismeteo.ru/city/hourly/4369/
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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Jun 7 2016, 01:37 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepMaybe the Sun is getting hotter.
It's the crime of omission. :tongue:
You think a cooling Sun is causing Earth to warm?
My quote: "Maybe the Sun is getting hotter."
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Jun 6 2016, 04:25 PM
Robertr2000
Jun 6 2016, 04:12 PM
Maybe the Sun is getting hotter.
97% of climate research and science groups like NASA say that humans are causing global warming. Do you think they didn't bother to check what the Sun's doing?
Can we STOP with the 97% nonsense, ....please?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTTaXqVEGkU



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Jun 7 2016, 09:21 PM
Scim
Jun 6 2016, 04:25 PM
Robertr2000
Jun 6 2016, 04:12 PM
Maybe the Sun is getting hotter.
97% of climate research and science groups like NASA say that humans are causing global warming. Do you think they didn't bother to check what the Sun's doing?
Can we STOP with the 97% nonsense, ....please?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTTaXqVEGkU



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