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| ringotuna | May 22 2016, 05:13 AM Post #41 |
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Likewise Maine, for the greater majority of the past 40 years it's legislature has been under democratic control. The citizens of Maine have voted democrat in the last 5 presidential elections. Historical Composition of Maine Legislature |
| Ringoism: Never underestimate the advantages of being underestimated. | |
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| Robert Stout | May 22 2016, 07:24 AM Post #42 |
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Crucifixion is too good for her...................
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| Fact | May 22 2016, 01:24 PM Post #43 |
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New Mexico is red because it is gerrymandered same as Texas. Eventually even with the gerrymandering the redrawn districts will turn blue and the Republicans will lose control of the state government. Currently the state government is Republican controlled through gerrymandering and probably rigged elections. Face it Republicans wreck economies and the data proves it. ![]() Read it and think of another deceptive statement. Actually this is game. set and match. More proof that Republicans suck at everything except lying, starting wars, fixing elections and crashing economies. It's your party so cry if you want to.
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| ringotuna | May 23 2016, 03:46 AM Post #44 |
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Nobody's cryin here but I do think you should calm down. You're getting a little worked up. Do you have a link that shows how New Mexico Democrats gerrymandered their districts to benefit Republicans? And even your claim of gerrymandering is true, how do you explain New Mexico being a "welfare state" for all those many years it was Democratic?
Correcting you on the political composition of New Mexico and Maine are not deceptive statements. They're facts which correct your own deceptive statement.
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| Fact | May 24 2016, 06:14 PM Post #45 |
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How is telling the truth getting worked up? Please explain. Gerrymandering in NM. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/14/1036385/- |
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| Coast2coast | May 24 2016, 06:21 PM Post #46 |
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Because we are supposed to be a country "United" - y'know "United States". But conservatives today want no part of that. |
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| ringotuna | May 24 2016, 07:02 PM Post #47 |
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That does not explain how New Mexico, a historically democratic strong hold is by your definition a "Red Welfare State" Even by your questionable definition of "RED" New Mexico has been "RED" for less than two years. Yet they have historically taken in far more Federal funding than they have returned in income tax revenue.... Why are you ducking this reality and babbling about gerrymandering? |
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| Fact | May 24 2016, 07:43 PM Post #48 |
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NM Governors Since 1987 Garrey Carruthers Republican 4 years. Bruce King Dem 2 years Garrey Carruthers Republican 8 years Bill Richardson Dem 6 years Susana Martinez Republican 2010 till Present In your dishonesty you did not mention the tremendous military expenditures that New Mexico receives. Cannon Air Force Base in Curry, NMCurry, New Mexico. Holloman Air Force Base in Otero, NM Kirtland Air Force Base in Bernalillo, NM Los Alamos Demolition Army Base in North Central, NM White Sands Missile Range Army Base in Otero, NM To further compound your dishonesty you never mentioned that along with all the federal dollars that goes to NM for its military bases you did not mention NM's low population and age demographics. As you can see that will all the military spending going to NM and the low population more federal spending will be going to NM than they pay in. Age Distribution by Sex, 2000 Male Female Number Percent Number Percent Total Population 894,317 49.16% 924,729 50.84% 0-4 66,191 3.64% 64,437 3.54% 5-9 71,777 3.95% 69,394 3.81% 10-14 75,254 4.14% 72,055 3.96% 15-19 74,747 4.11% 71,004 3.90% 20-24 61,346 3.37% 59,945 3.30% 25-29 57,653 3.17% 57,734 3.17% 30-34 59,140 3.25% 59,564 3.27% 35-39 69,404 3.82% 70,974 3.90% 40-44 69,488 3.82% 72,143 3.97% 45-49 63,689 3.50% 67,311 3.70% 50-54 56,234 3.09% 58,585 3.22% 55-59 41,949 2.31% 45,191 2.48% 60-64 34,246 1.88% 37,366 2.05% 65-69 30,126 1.66% 33,101 1.82% 70-74 25,098 1.38% 29,420 1.62% 75-79 19,028 1.05% 24,701 1.36% 80-84 11,330 0.62% 16,115 0.89% 85+ 7,617 0.42% 15,689 0.86% Now that you have the facts, it's time for you to stop lying. |
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| estonianman | May 24 2016, 09:42 PM Post #49 |
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Despite your best effort - collectivism still fails everytime. |
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| estonianman | May 24 2016, 09:44 PM Post #50 |
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New Mexico is just another leftist s**thole. But apostle 13 protects his golden calf,despite all facts. |
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| Harambe4Trump | May 24 2016, 10:09 PM Post #51 |
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We would be better off if progressives and conservatives were each give their own country and government. In fact that doesn't go far enough. The end goal should be to build mutually incompatible communities where intermarriage would be impossible due to genetic divergence. Edited by Harambe4Trump, May 24 2016, 10:11 PM.
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Fact | May 25 2016, 12:22 AM Post #52 |
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The pros would end up what they are doing now and that is giving financial aid to the cons. If the red states were consolidated into Jesus land they would descend into the same poverty and dependency that they are in now. |
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| ringotuna | May 25 2016, 05:16 AM Post #53 |
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You don't seem to realize you've just refuted your own argument.. That's funny You've gone and made my argument for me. Just because a state takes in more federal revenue than it produces does not make it a 'welfare' state. There are reasons these states do. Aging population, low income=low tax base. Expansive Military presence, Federally owned lands, Agricultural economy. Expansive interstate hiway systems. Federally funded border security such as in Texas and NM, government contracts and payroll...need I go on?You acknowledge all these factors for the blue state, but not the red.. So with all these factors, how is it that New Mexico, a blue state, is not a welfare state, while so many other red states are? It's pretty obvious your welfare state list is based more on politics than fact. This whole red state/welfare state is political garbage for idjits. It completely ignores relevant metrics such as those you listed and focuses on 1)Taxes paid 2) Federal Funds Received 3) Polling results from the latest presidential election. If you look at New Mexico's legislative history, and you're honest with yourself you'll see New Mexico has been quite blue for many years. As for your red and blue designation. Well that falls apart under the scrutiny of facts as well. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/09/the_myth_of_red_state_welfare.html And if you want to talk about real welfare, well here ya go. http://www.cnbc.com/2009/07/21/The-Biggest-US-Welfare-States.html?slide=1 |
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| ringotuna | May 25 2016, 05:28 AM Post #54 |
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When you thought NM was RED you declared New Mexico to be the biggest moocher then when I show you it's a blue state, suddenly you face the facts and acknowledge the reasons it receives more federal funds.
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| CautionaryTales | May 25 2016, 05:32 AM Post #55 |
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I'm glad you are on the other side. |
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| ringotuna | May 25 2016, 06:01 AM Post #56 |
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Fact is advocating the same thing, except in a far more invective and castigating way. |
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| jake58 | May 25 2016, 07:47 AM Post #57 |
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I've been listening to Op on drone about this red state/welfare nonsense for years and it's such a fatuous argument. There's going to be a base level of federal subsidy that every state gets(for reasons listed above by tuna) and the smaller states(NM and MS have populations about half the size of Atlanta) would obviously look bad proportionally. Add on the fact that most of these states don't have large cities thus the ability to attract commercial ratables/large businesses/tax dollars is limited. Point out that SD gets $2 billion annually vs California's $100 billion and they scurry to change the topic. Why must liberals be so dishonest? |
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| ringotuna | May 25 2016, 08:00 AM Post #58 |
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Many of them do cling desperately to their lies.
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| Fact | May 25 2016, 04:54 PM Post #59 |
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Jake58 dishonestly said, "I've been listening to Op on drone about this red state/welfare nonsense for years and it's such a fatuous argument. There's going to be a base level of federal subsidy that every state gets(for reasons listed above by tuna) and the smaller states(NM and MS have populations about half the size of Atlanta) would obviously look bad proportionally. Add on the fact that most of these states don't have large cities thus the ability to attract commercial ratables/large businesses/tax dollars is limited. Point out that SD gets $2 billion annually vs California's $100 billion and they scurry to change the topic. Why must liberals be so dishonest?" Facts are facts Jake58 and the facts say that the Red States: 1. Have the most poverty. 2. Have the lowest wages. 3. Have the highest divorce rates. 4. Have them most teen pregnancies. 5. Have the highest obesity rates. 6. Have the lowest IQs 7. Have the most violent crime. Jake58.... those are the facts. The only difference between a Red State and an inner city ghetto is that the Red State are bigger and contain mostly White people. Stop lying and denying Jake58. |
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| jake58 | May 25 2016, 06:00 PM Post #60 |
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Why do you hate poor people? |
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Correcting you on the political composition of New Mexico and Maine are not deceptive statements. They're facts which correct your own deceptive statement.


You've gone and made my argument for me. Just because a state takes in more federal revenue than it produces does not make it a 'welfare' state. There are reasons these states do. Aging population, low income=low tax base. Expansive Military presence, Federally owned lands, Agricultural economy. Expansive interstate hiway systems. Federally funded border security such as in Texas and NM, government contracts and payroll...need I go on?

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