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Could Russia REALLY go to war with NATO?
Topic Started: May 27 2016, 10:49 PM (805 Views)
Eddo26
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/27/europe/russia-nato-world-war/index.html

A new book by General Sir Richard Shirreff, NATO's deputy supreme allied commander for Europe between 2011 and 2014, evokes a potential scenario that leads to a devastating future war with Russia.

The book, "2017 War with Russia," is clearly labelled as a work of fiction.

But it portrays a fairly convincing manufactured incident that the fictional president of Russia uses as a causus belli for a clash with NATO.

In his account, Russia rapidly expands its war aims by invading the Baltic States, which are NATO members, and world war ensues.

Perhaps more worryingly, the author has since told BBC Radio 4's "Today" programme that such a conflict is "entirely plausible."
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BuckFan

Is it plausible, yes. Is it likely, no.

The only way a Russian President chooses to start a shooting war with NATO is if Mother Russia is imploding and he is going to lose his head. It would be a desperation move that will only end in disaster for Russia.
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BuckFan

What is more likely is a clash that is quickly contained that gives the Russian President a "win" in the eyes of the Russian people. Crimea is an example.
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Robert Stout
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What is absolutely certain is the military-industrial complex loves to invent a threat from Russia and encourage a new "cold war".......................... :rollseyes:
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BuckFan
May 27 2016, 11:15 PM
Is it plausible, yes. Is it likely, no.

The only way a Russian President chooses to start a shooting war with NATO is if Mother Russia is imploding and he is going to lose his head. It would be a desperation move that will only end in disaster for Russia.
Big wars were started for lesser reasons. Leaders have egos and such. And a nuclear war would be devastating for the world, not just Russia. Ballistic submarines and such, not to mention if anyone survives will be too deep into debt to ever come out.
Edited by Eddo26, May 28 2016, 01:35 AM.
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BuckFan
May 27 2016, 11:16 PM
What is more likely is a clash that is quickly contained that gives the Russian President a "win" in the eyes of the Russian people. Crimea is an example.
Not necessary. The "win" in Crimea was only a feel good move. The entire area is economically depressed. Russia has to pump millions of their worthless rubles into Crimea to show the average Russians that the annexation was worth it when the money could have spent on infrastructure and luring foreign investment.

I hope the average Russians are smart enough to see this. They are as close as N. Koreans that you will ever see. Then again, it's Russia. They love suffering and never see themselves as victims but always the aggressors.

Perhaps a war with the West can lift Russia out of the 12th century. Regardless, they need another major civil war for anything to change.
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It's only an excuse to move NATO military infrustructure closer to Russia.
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/344623-elections-us-war-obama-/
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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Robert Stout
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The NATO installation in Rumania is not scheduled to be in operation until 2018...By then, Trump will make peace with Putin and cancel the installation................ :victory:
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Siberian
May 28 2016, 04:57 AM
It's only an excuse to move NATO military infrustructure closer to Russia.
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/344623-elections-us-war-obama-/
Moving NATO nearer to Russia is a strategy to bring the profitable markets and raw materials of Eastern Europe under the umbrella of Western banks.
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edro14

Mr. Putin is desperate since Russia is tanking financially. He is capable of attacking any nation.

China is already threatening war. Do you think that after the republican congress has done everything they can to keep president Obama from enacting laws that both Russia and China along with North Korea are getting brave?
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edro14
May 28 2016, 09:01 PM
Mr. Putin is desperate since Russia is tanking financially. He is capable of attacking any nation.

China is already threatening war. Do you think that after the republican congress has done everything they can to keep president Obama from enacting laws that both Russia and China along with North Korea are getting brave?
Too brave like the US republicans?
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edro14

Nope , the republican congress has essentially handcuffed President Obama based on not allowing any black president any freedom to perform his duties as president.

So have a look at this article about Russia and Chinese aggressive moves based on my assumption that the republican congress has created a major flaw in our defense by acting as hostage takers of the presidency.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/threat-from-russian-and-chinese-warplanes-mounts/ar-BBtkG1B

WASHINGTON — Chinese and Russian warplanes have been increasingly aggressive intercepting U.S. military aircraft and patrolling near America’s West Coast, prompting the Air Force’s top combat officer to label their provocations one of his top worries.

Air Force Gen. Herbert “Hawk” Carlisle, who leads Air Combat Command, said in an interview with USA TODAY that meeting the challenge from the Russian and Chinese to flights in international airspace is essential but dangerous.

“Our concern is a resurgent Russia and a very, very aggressive China,” Carlisle said.

Both countries are intent on expanding their spheres of influence — Russia in eastern Europe and the Pacific with China focusing much of its effort over the disputed South China Sea.

“Their intent is to get us not to be there,” Carlisle said. “So that the influence in those international spaces is controlled only by them. My belief is that we cannot allow that to happen. We have to continue to operate legally in international airspace and international waterways. We have to continue to call them out when they are being aggressive and unsafe.”

The stakes are high. Aggressive intercepts of U.S. patrol planes run the risk of mid-air collisions that would escalate tensions among nuclear powers.

“Any accident that occurs while the U.S. military is playing cat and mouse with Russian or Chinese forces could escalate into a real fight,” said Loren Thompson, a defense industry consultant and military analyst at the Lexington Institute. “If it does, American victory is not assured, because U.S. forces are operating thousands of miles from home and the other side is near its main bases. Small confrontations can turn into big wars, and Russian military doctrine embraces the use of nuclear weapons to win local conflicts."

An increasing number have occurred in recent months, Carlisle said, with fighters from Russia and China buzzing perilously close to American military aircraft.

The Pentagon has denounced the hazardous intercepts for more than a year, although condemnation hasn’t halted the practice. On May 17, two Chinese fighter jets flew dangerously close to a U.S. Navy patrol plane over the South China Sea. China has been on a campaign to assert its sovereignty over the busy waterways, building artificial islands on reefs in the sea and establishing military bases. In late April, a Russian fighter pilot performed a “barrel roll” over the top of an Air Force RC-135 reconnaissance plane, Carlisle said, above the Black Sea.

There has also been an uptick in long-range bomber activity from the Russians in Eastern Europe and extending to flights off the U.S. West Coast, Carlisle said.

“We have seen an increase,” Carlisle said. “All the way down to the California coast. The number and frequency has increased.”

For China, the goal appears to be establishing control of the international airspace over the South China Sea. There are conflicting territorial claims among countries in the region with China upping the ante by establishing a military bases on artificial islands around the Paracel and Spratley Islands chains.

Carlisle expects that the Chinese will institute an Air Defense Identification Zone over a large portion of the South China Sea. Zones like these extend beyond a country’s borders in its national security interests. Aircraft entering such a zone are required them to identify and locate themselves. The United States has established them after consulting with neighboring countries.

The Chinese unilaterally set up an identification zone in the East China Sea in 2013. Carlisle expects a similar action soon in the South China Sea.

“Their expansion into the Paracels and the Spratleys is so they can declare it and then have the capability to enforce it, where they can do intercepts,” Carlisle said. “They are doing it outside of what could be consider the norms.”

Maintaining communication with the Russian and Chinese military is key to avoiding mishaps, Carlisle said. Training pilots to deal with intercepts will continue.

“As they become more aggressive, you run the risk of miscalculation,” he said. “You don’t know where that’s going to lead, or end.”
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Reports like this are design to scare taxpayers into increasing military spending............... :oyvey
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edro14
May 28 2016, 09:49 PM
Nope , the republican congress has essentially handcuffed President Obama based on not allowing any black president any freedom to perform his duties as president.

So have a look at this article about Russia and Chinese aggressive moves based on my assumption that the republican congress has created a major flaw in our defense by acting as hostage takers of the presidency.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/threat-from-russian-and-chinese-warplanes-mounts/ar-BBtkG1B

WASHINGTON — Chinese and Russian warplanes have been increasingly aggressive intercepting U.S. military aircraft and patrolling near America’s West Coast, prompting the Air Force’s top combat officer to label their provocations one of his top worries.

Air Force Gen. Herbert “Hawk” Carlisle, who leads Air Combat Command, said in an interview with USA TODAY that meeting the challenge from the Russian and Chinese to flights in international airspace is essential but dangerous.

“Our concern is a resurgent Russia and a very, very aggressive China,” Carlisle said.

Both countries are intent on expanding their spheres of influence — Russia in eastern Europe and the Pacific with China focusing much of its effort over the disputed South China Sea.

“Their intent is to get us not to be there,” Carlisle said. “So that the influence in those international spaces is controlled only by them. My belief is that we cannot allow that to happen. We have to continue to operate legally in international airspace and international waterways. We have to continue to call them out when they are being aggressive and unsafe.”

The stakes are high. Aggressive intercepts of U.S. patrol planes run the risk of mid-air collisions that would escalate tensions among nuclear powers.

“Any accident that occurs while the U.S. military is playing cat and mouse with Russian or Chinese forces could escalate into a real fight,” said Loren Thompson, a defense industry consultant and military analyst at the Lexington Institute. “If it does, American victory is not assured, because U.S. forces are operating thousands of miles from home and the other side is near its main bases. Small confrontations can turn into big wars, and Russian military doctrine embraces the use of nuclear weapons to win local conflicts."

An increasing number have occurred in recent months, Carlisle said, with fighters from Russia and China buzzing perilously close to American military aircraft.

The Pentagon has denounced the hazardous intercepts for more than a year, although condemnation hasn’t halted the practice. On May 17, two Chinese fighter jets flew dangerously close to a U.S. Navy patrol plane over the South China Sea. China has been on a campaign to assert its sovereignty over the busy waterways, building artificial islands on reefs in the sea and establishing military bases. In late April, a Russian fighter pilot performed a “barrel roll” over the top of an Air Force RC-135 reconnaissance plane, Carlisle said, above the Black Sea.

There has also been an uptick in long-range bomber activity from the Russians in Eastern Europe and extending to flights off the U.S. West Coast, Carlisle said.

“We have seen an increase,” Carlisle said. “All the way down to the California coast. The number and frequency has increased.”

For China, the goal appears to be establishing control of the international airspace over the South China Sea. There are conflicting territorial claims among countries in the region with China upping the ante by establishing a military bases on artificial islands around the Paracel and Spratley Islands chains.

Carlisle expects that the Chinese will institute an Air Defense Identification Zone over a large portion of the South China Sea. Zones like these extend beyond a country’s borders in its national security interests. Aircraft entering such a zone are required them to identify and locate themselves. The United States has established them after consulting with neighboring countries.

The Chinese unilaterally set up an identification zone in the East China Sea in 2013. Carlisle expects a similar action soon in the South China Sea.

“Their expansion into the Paracels and the Spratleys is so they can declare it and then have the capability to enforce it, where they can do intercepts,” Carlisle said. “They are doing it outside of what could be consider the norms.”

Maintaining communication with the Russian and Chinese military is key to avoiding mishaps, Carlisle said. Training pilots to deal with intercepts will continue.

“As they become more aggressive, you run the risk of miscalculation,” he said. “You don’t know where that’s going to lead, or end.”
HAHAHA!!! The Republicans are the ones telling Obama to f*** the CCP and sail inside those phony islands more often, like every week.
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So looks like tough boy Putin has no problem telling a lie as long as he doesn't have to hear the lies that are aimed toward him. :lol: :lol:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-heads-greece-business-orthodox-103926371.html



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edro14

The problem isn't about warring, the problem we have today is a liberal and a black man pushing the button. It has to be a white guy and it has to be a republican. You conservatives are all mixed up. Sorry but gotta call it like it is.
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You mean not willing to push the button.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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edro14

Not what I said.

Conservatives unwilling to help when a liberal is in office.
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edro14
May 29 2016, 03:07 PM
Not what I said.

Conservatives unwilling to help when a liberal is in office.
What in blazes are you talking about? Have you read what some of the GOP members are about Obama's action in the South China Sea and his approach to Russia?
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edro14

yes but it is all talk. They will not support the military when it comes down to it. But they will if a republican/conservative president is in office.
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