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Trump tells California 'there is no drought'; (He must be crazy, right?)
Topic Started: May 28 2016, 11:15 AM (1,539 Views)
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FRESNO, Calif. — Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump told California voters Friday that he can solve their water crisis, declaring, "There is no drought."

Speaking at a rally in Fresno, Calif., Trump accused state officials of denying water to Central Valley farmers so they can send it out to sea "to protect a certain kind of three-inch fish."

"We're going to solve your water problem. You have a water problem that is so insane. It is so ridiculous where they're taking the water and shoving it out to sea," Trump said to cheers at a rally that drew thousands.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-tells-california-there-is-no-drought/ar-BBtz6oK?li=BBnb7Kz
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As much as I dislike Donald Trump, I have to give him credit on this one. He got it right. It's no different than government mismanagement of water/electricity resources around the world, Venezuela and/or Brasil. When government gets involved, disaster usually follows. California gets plenty of rainfall every year, but allows most of it to flow back into the ocean because idiotic/insane environmental laws. We don't build any dams any more, because dams are bad. We don't manage any of the water because of government regulations. Politicians/Liberals. Idiots. They throw sand into our economic machinery, then stand-by and wonder why there is chaos managing our resources.

Look at Venezuela. They have incredible natural resources, yet their electricity capacity is reaching the stone age. Blackouts all over the place, and rationing of everything. It's insane. How did this happen? Government. Stupid politicians. Hugo Chavez.

It's no different in California. There SHOULD BE no water shortages, but there are. The annual rains in California should be sufficient for all the peoples needs. They're not. Most of the rainfall simply flows back into the ocean because of environmental regs. Stupid!


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May 28 2016, 11:29 AM

It's no different in California. There SHOULD BE no water shortages, but there are. The annual rains in California should be sufficient for all the peoples needs.
You and Trump are both talking out your butts. Southern Cal uses far more water than it gets in rain most years. Without decades of public works projects (aka "government") to redistribute it, there'd be even less water.
“Strong people don’t need strong leaders.”
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nNeo
May 28 2016, 11:42 AM
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May 28 2016, 11:29 AM

It's no different in California. There SHOULD BE no water shortages, but there are. The annual rains in California should be sufficient for all the peoples needs.
You and Trump are both talking out your butts. Southern Cal uses far more water than it gets in rain most years. Without decades of public works projects (aka "government") to redistribute it, there'd be even less water.
And YOU and YOUR liberal friends have been wallowing in the usual feces-filled, 'group think' hot tub for lo these many years... :bow:

California's drought is all man made.

http://watchdog.org/238991/californias-drought-man-made-crisis/

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SACRAMENTO, California — I was walking through downtown Sacramento recently when raindrops started falling. People on the street stopped dead in their tracks, looked up at the sky and began acting giddy. “What’s that?” I asked a man. “I think it’s something called rain,” he responded. Such is the gallows humor in a state that hasn’t seen substantial rainfall in years.

The obvious lack of rain is the seemingly obvious reason for the state’s lack of sufficient water. Water levels in state reservoirs are falling, officials are cracking down on “excess” water use (lawn-watering, etc.), and voters passed a water bond on the 2014 ballot to help fund more storage. The Capitol crowd is obsessed with the water issue, while local planners use the crisis to clamp down on building permits.



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SoCal is overpopulated. After you deported all the democrats, there would no longer be a water shortage.
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And this from Forbes....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ashoka/2015/04/15/why-does-california-let-billions-of-gallons-of-fresh-water-flow-straight-into-the-ocean/#2a9067a76197

Why Does California Let Billions Of Gallons Of Fresh Water Flow Straight Into The Ocean?


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Ashoka: What is the biggest misconception about the extended drought in California and why is this problematic?

Andy Lipkis: The biggest misconception is that it doesn’t rain in California. The fact is, it does rain, even in Los Angeles and southern California. But we throw away most of that water because rather than collect it, we let it drain into the sea.

It’s problematic because it causes us to look at solutions that are inappropriate for the city, the state, and for long-term sustainability. For example: there’s a growing drumbeat about desalination. But it’s well known that this won’t solve the problem, and it’s extremely expensive and energy intensive.

Why make freshwater when we could collect the water that falls from the sky? Even on the driest year in recorded history in 2013, it still rained 3.6 inches in Los Angeles. An inch of rainfall in L.A. generates 3.8 billion gallons of runoff, so you’re talking about more than 12 billion gallons of water that could be captured, but that flows within hours down our concrete streets and into the ocean. There’s enough rainwater to be harvested to produce 30-50% of the entire city’s water needs.

Ashoka: What does harvesting rainwater actually mean?

Lipkis: It means capturing and then treating the water the flows off our roofs and down our streets each time it rains. There are a lot of ways to do so, including by removing concrete and replacing it with permeable earth to soak in the water like a sponge. And homes and businesses can install rain bins and cisterns to hold the water for later use.

A living case study is Australia, which went from the second largest per-capita water user in the world (behind the U.S.) to one of the most efficient, in large part through a concerted effort to install millions of cisterns across their cities in just about five years. Melbourne was able to get 35% of all its homes to install cisterns. The same thing is possible in Los Angeles and any city in California.

Ashoka: Skeptics of the Governor Brown’s mandatory reductions argue that we won’t make a dent until we deal with agricultural water use, which accounts for up to 80% of statewide use. Are they right?

Lipkis: They’re right that farming practices need to be improved and that the ag sector needs some reforms. But in a way these are two different conversations: on the one hand, everyone needs to bring their water use down; on the other, we need to be smarter about collecting the precious water that does fall in our state, and we need to do so in ways that don’t damage entire ecosystems like we did to the Owens River valley.



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nNeo
May 28 2016, 11:42 AM
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May 28 2016, 11:29 AM

It's no different in California. There SHOULD BE no water shortages, but there are. The annual rains in California should be sufficient for all the peoples needs.
You and Trump are both talking out your butts. Southern Cal uses far more water than it gets in rain most years. Without decades of public works projects (aka "government") to redistribute it, there'd be even less water.
If water wasn't another victim of the commons, and priced accordingly by the market - it would probably be conserved.

and as a democrat, leftist dominant state - California is more interested in preserving the lifestyle for fat pig union officials and state administrators then any type of infrastructure improvement.
Edited by estonianman, May 28 2016, 12:45 PM.
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May 28 2016, 12:05 PM
And YOU and YOUR liberal friends have been wallowing in the usual feces-filled, 'group think' hot tub for lo these many years... :bow:

California's drought is all man made.

I'm not liberal, or prone to "group think". Your article is based on a falsehood. Southern Cal uses more water than it has. Could more man-made diversion of water help? Maybe, but you're still talking about an expensive, big government "fix" to a problem caused by waste, over-population, and bad management. if you divert rivers and kill wetlands, yes, you'd improve one part of the problem, but you'd create many others. It's unsustainable.
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nNeo
May 28 2016, 02:08 PM
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May 28 2016, 12:05 PM
And YOU and YOUR liberal friends have been wallowing in the usual feces-filled, 'group think' hot tub for lo these many years... :bow:

California's drought is all man made.

I'm not liberal, or prone to "group think". Your article is based on a falsehood. Southern Cal uses more water than it has. Could more man-made diversion of water help? Maybe, but you're still talking about an expensive, big government "fix" to a problem caused by waste, over-population, and bad management. if you divert rivers and kill wetlands, yes, you'd improve one part of the problem, but you'd create many others. It's unsustainable.
I thought you said immigration wasn't a problem?
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May 28 2016, 12:44 PM
If water wasn't another victim of the commons, and priced accordingly by the market - it would probably be conserved.
You're onto something there, especially in the case of big ag. Water is under-priced, so it's wasted. Taxpayers are subsidizing farmers.
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May 28 2016, 02:08 PM
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May 28 2016, 12:05 PM
And YOU and YOUR liberal friends have been wallowing in the usual feces-filled, 'group think' hot tub for lo these many years... :bow:

California's drought is all man made.

I'm not liberal, or prone to "group think". Your article is based on a falsehood. Southern Cal uses more water than it has. Could more man-made diversion of water help? Maybe, but you're still talking about an expensive, big government "fix" to a problem caused by waste, over-population, and bad management. if you divert rivers and kill wetlands, yes, you'd improve one part of the problem, but you'd create many others. It's unsustainable.
Fun fact - Phoenix a city in the middle of the desert sells water to California
Edited by estonianman, May 28 2016, 02:11 PM.
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May 28 2016, 02:10 PM
I thought you said immigration wasn't a problem?
context?
You seem to think it's the only problem.
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May 28 2016, 02:10 PM
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May 28 2016, 12:44 PM
If water wasn't another victim of the commons, and priced accordingly by the market - it would probably be conserved.
You're onto something there, especially in the case of big ag. Water is under-priced, so it's wasted. Taxpayers are subsidizing farmers.
Had some aussies at the house a couple months ago - they jumped on me when I left the faucet running to grab something from the fridge.

Seems to be the norm in their country.
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May 28 2016, 02:11 PM
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May 28 2016, 02:10 PM
I thought you said immigration wasn't a problem?
context?
You seem to think it's the only problem.
You said SoCal was overpopulated. What do you suppose is the primary cause of that?

Immigration is the only pertinent problem.
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May 28 2016, 02:12 PM

Seems to be the norm in their country.
yeah, they've had some major issues over it, even worse than our SW. Learnt the hard way.
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May 28 2016, 02:14 PM
Immigration is the only pertinent problem.
Migration is a symptom of over-population, not the cause. The earth is over its long-term carrying capacity. Big picture, there are too many people. They will naturally move in search of resources, and those (like you) who have those resources will tend to protect them out of self-interest. That's standard tribal behavior.
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May 28 2016, 02:15 PM
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May 28 2016, 02:12 PM

Seems to be the norm in their country.
yeah, they've had some major issues over it, even worse than our SW. Learnt the hard way.
Curious - at what price point does desalination become feasible?

Lefties will want the whole thing to be government subsidized - which only compounds the problem. The market of course has large scale reverse osmosis and has been doing it for a decade or so.

Edited by estonianman, May 28 2016, 02:22 PM.
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May 28 2016, 02:21 PM
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May 28 2016, 02:12 PM

Seems to be the norm in their country.
yeah, they've had some major issues over it, even worse than our SW. Learnt the hard way.
Curious - at what price point does desalination become feasible?

Lefties will want the whole thing to be government subsidized - which only compounds the problem. The market of course has large scale reverse osmosis and has been doing it for a decade or so.

Good question. it's been successful many places, but it's not cheap. Israel uses a lot. There are new technologies that could help. Given the abundant sun in CA, I suspect a solar powered desalination plant could be a money maker if market price gets much higher.
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nNeo
May 28 2016, 02:20 PM
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May 28 2016, 02:14 PM
Immigration is the only pertinent problem.
Migration is a symptom of over-population, not the cause. The earth is over its long-term carrying capacity. Big picture, there are too many people. They will naturally move in search of resources, and those (like you) who have those resources will tend to protect them out of self-interest. That's standard tribal behavior.
Overpopulation is a problem of the global south. The global north can remain unaffected with proper border policies
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