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Pakistani men can beat wives 'lightly,' Islamic council says; so refreshing to see leaders involved with the religion of peace willing to moderate their positions and compromise!
Topic Started: May 28 2016, 11:58 AM (893 Views)
Robert Stout
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Hughmac
May 31 2016, 04:33 PM
Tsalagi
May 31 2016, 04:08 PM
Hughmac
May 31 2016, 03:51 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepit's the fact that the government is encouraging and condoningfact is that the Pakistani Government has enacted legislation to protect women in domestic violence situations.

This idiocy is the subsequent reaction to the said legislation by the Islamic think tank..

Can we please drop the knee-jerk, misinformed, indignation and stop labelling the Pakistani Government unjustly.

Cheers
Hughmac
Unjustly...there is a reason why we didn't tell the Pakistani Government our spec ops team went in for Obama, Pakistan intelligence is so riddled with Al-Queda and Taliban sympathizers as to the point they should rename themselves as Al-Queda East.
Yes, and the Americans have the alarming habit of shooting up our soldiers but neither this observation nor your one is relevant.

The case is that posters are completely skewing this whole affair. It is a Islamic advisory board that issue the controversial report - not the Pakistani Government. The Pakistani Government tabled a bill to protect women in domestic violence situations, which sparked off these idiots. The Pakistani Government has not the least intention of adopting the board's suggestions.

Freaks, unwittingly and unjustly, is dumping this at the door of the Pakistani Government and you, when this obvious error is pointed out, rather than taking onboard the correction, go off at a tangent concerning how the Pakistani Military Intelligence is in cahoots with the Taliban.

Would either of you, at the very least, read the quote that I posted from the BBC.

Cheers
Hughmac
Perhaps what is relevant is that Islam does not prohibit "light" domestic violence, while Jesus at least talked about not throwing the first stone...It was easy for him to talk trash as he wasn't married...Mohammed had several wives.......... :dunno:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Hughmac
May 31 2016, 03:51 PM
Freaks1932
May 31 2016, 06:23 AM
Frankly it doesn't matter how lightly it is, it's the fact that the government is encouraging and condoning any sort of behavior as such. Religion is toxic.
The Pakistani government IS NOT encouraging and condoning anything. I repeat, this is an Islamic think-tank and any suggestion that it makes is not binding and more often than not, ignored by the Pakistani Government. The fact is that the Pakistani Government has enacted legislation to protect women in domestic violence situations.

This idiocy is the subsequent reaction to the said legislation by the Islamic think tank..

Can we please drop the knee-jerk, misinformed, indignation and stop labelling the Pakistani Government unjustly.

Cheers
Hughmac
Yes but they also have to bend to religion, granted they have opposing forces within but it's still there. It is what it is. No knee-jerk reaction necessary. Generally speaking Pakistan is one of the other countries I do try to follow up on because of friends there, I don't like religion having so much influence over government policies. I don't like it here, I don't like it anywhere.
"I'll be the fella to save his Cinderella,
by turnin' her dream world into real life."
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"But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them."
"I'll be the fella to save his Cinderella,
by turnin' her dream world into real life."
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Tsalagi
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Hughmac
May 31 2016, 04:33 PM
Tsalagi
May 31 2016, 04:08 PM
Hughmac
May 31 2016, 03:51 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepit's the fact that the government is encouraging and condoningfact is that the Pakistani Government has enacted legislation to protect women in domestic violence situations.

This idiocy is the subsequent reaction to the said legislation by the Islamic think tank..

Can we please drop the knee-jerk, misinformed, indignation and stop labelling the Pakistani Government unjustly.

Cheers
Hughmac
Unjustly...there is a reason why we didn't tell the Pakistani Government our spec ops team went in for Obama, Pakistan intelligence is so riddled with Al-Queda and Taliban sympathizers as to the point they should rename themselves as Al-Queda East.
Yes, and the Americans have the alarming habit of shooting up our soldiers but neither this observation nor your one is relevant.

The case is that posters are completely skewing this whole affair. It is a Islamic advisory board that issue the controversial report - not the Pakistani Government. The Pakistani Government tabled a bill to protect women in domestic violence situations, which sparked off these idiots. The Pakistani Government has not the least intention of adopting the board's suggestions.

Freaks, unwittingly and unjustly, is dumping this at the door of the Pakistani Government and you, when this obvious error is pointed out, rather than taking onboard the correction, go off at a tangent concerning how the Pakistani Military Intelligence is in cahoots with the Taliban.

Would either of you, at the very least, read the quote that I posted from the BBC.

Cheers
Hughmac
No, I got the correction Hugh, and I'm not going to dispute that...my problem is, I don't see the Pakistani government giving the finger to it's religous council as opposed to our government telling our religious nuts to go f off
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Hughmac

Freaks1932
May 31 2016, 04:57 PM
Hughmac
May 31 2016, 03:51 PM
Freaks1932
May 31 2016, 06:23 AM
Frankly it doesn't matter how lightly it is, it's the fact that the government is encouraging and condoning any sort of behavior as such. Religion is toxic.
The Pakistani government IS NOT encouraging and condoning anything. I repeat, this is an Islamic think-tank and any suggestion that it makes is not binding and more often than not, ignored by the Pakistani Government. The fact is that the Pakistani Government has enacted legislation to protect women in domestic violence situations.

This idiocy is the subsequent reaction to the said legislation by the Islamic think tank..

Can we please drop the knee-jerk, misinformed, indignation and stop labelling the Pakistani Government unjustly.

Cheers
Hughmac
Yes but they also have to bend to religion, granted they have opposing forces within but it's still there. It is what it is. No knee-jerk reaction necessary. Generally speaking Pakistan is one of the other countries I do try to follow up on because of friends there, I don't like religion having so much influence over government policies. I don't like it here, I don't like it anywhere.
Was that supposed to be an admission that the report was NOT by the Pakistani Government, as you previously claimed? Just wondering because it sure as hell doesn't look like one.

Cheers
Hughmac
H4T wrote: lobal] nuclear annihilation is preferable to the pre-Trump immigration/refugee policies.
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Hughmac

Tsalagi
May 31 2016, 05:06 PM
Hughmac
May 31 2016, 04:33 PM
Tsalagi
May 31 2016, 04:08 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepit's the fact that the government is encouraging and condoningfact is that the Pakistani Government has enacted legislation
Yes, and the Americans have the alarming habit of shooting up our soldiers but neither this observation nor your one is relevant.

The case is that posters are completely skewing this whole affair. It is a Islamic advisory board that issue the controversial report - not the Pakistani Government. The Pakistani Government tabled a bill to protect women in domestic violence situations, which sparked off these idiots. The Pakistani Government has not the least intention of adopting the board's suggestions.

Freaks, unwittingly and unjustly, is dumping this at the door of the Pakistani Government and you, when this obvious error is pointed out, rather than taking onboard the correction, go off at a tangent concerning how the Pakistani Military Intelligence is in cahoots with the Taliban.

Would either of you, at the very least, read the quote that I posted from the BBC.

Cheers
Hughmac
No, I got the correction Hugh, and I'm not going to dispute that...my problem is, I don't see the Pakistani government giving the finger to it's religous council as opposed to our government telling our religious nuts to go f off
You must have missed this from the BBC article that I quoted:

Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah rejected the proposals, saying: "Islam does not allow any violence, whether against women or children."

In other words, as in many previous instances involving the said advisory board, the Government is ignoring their twisted proposals.

Cheers
Hughmac
H4T wrote: lobal] nuclear annihilation is preferable to the pre-Trump immigration/refugee policies.
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Amerians expect to see religion exalting government. Religion supports the military in its cemeteries and the Congress in its ceremonies. Religious oaths back up the power of the courts. Government touts its divine approval with "in God we trust" on its money and "under God" and in its kids' mouths in school. Anyone who questions this supporting link is roundly denounced

In the Islamic world, Muslims expect to see goverment exalting religion. Government is expected to enforce religious rulings and even mosque attendance. Civil status and economy are determined by religious texts. Naturally, we Americans regard the other approach as primitive, arbitrary and destructive. The only exceptions to this harsh condemnation of religion for exalting government are found among Orthodox Jews in Israel and fundamentalist Christians in the Bible Belt.

God has a special plan for America. We are the new Chosen People. No wonder everyone wants to be like us Americans. We are better than everybody else.
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Hughmac

Hi, Freaks and Tsalagi. Just want to clear up that I am not defending this Islamic advisory boards suggestion, nor the board itself - I think they suck and the world would be a better place if they disbanded and got themselves an honest job.

I think that the three monotheist religions are throwbacks to medieval mindset and they differ only in degree; not in essence.

On the other hand, the glee that my American posting colleagues jump on anything about Islam in order to demonize it is predictable and tiresome. I am not suggesting that either Freaks or Tsalagi fall into this category; they don't.

Cheers
Hughmac
Edited by Hughmac, Jun 1 2016, 04:13 AM.
H4T wrote: lobal] nuclear annihilation is preferable to the pre-Trump immigration/refugee policies.
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