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Libertarian Party chair candidate strips on stage at national convention
Topic Started: May 30 2016, 02:28 PM (1,142 Views)
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dcbl
May 30 2016, 06:03 PM
it is amazing to me that he was allowed to proceed

does the Libertarian Party want to be taken seriously?

THIS incident was a serious setback, and in a year where it looked like there might be a chance where they could gain some traction (mainly because of how bad the 2 major party candidates are), perhaps even enough to get federal funding in the 2020 election

they should have pulled this asshole off the stage and had him arrested for public indecency
The only problem was he was a fat ass. The alt right understands the importance of health and aesthetics; our chairman would have been ripped.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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May 30 2016, 05:53 PM
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May 30 2016, 05:46 PM
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May 30 2016, 05:34 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepGovernments and their military have often functioned as proxies for the private sector to protect and serve their interest<br />If government were to be marginalized in terms of power, these entities would just create private military to assert their agendas.oday's Jihadist are just the latest in the line of extreme ingroup bias based groups who seek to inflict themselves on others. <br />And of course, the extreme capitalist cartels in Mexico..the mask may be different, but the face behind them is the same.
I want to know why you assume these men would up standing members of the community if it wasn't?
What a stupid question.
No, you opened the door, I just made you walk thru it.
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May 30 2016, 06:11 PM
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May 30 2016, 05:53 PM
Tsalagi
May 30 2016, 05:46 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepGovernments and their military have often functioned as proxies for the private sector to protect and serve their interest<br />If government were to be marginalized in terms of power, these entities would just create private military to assert their agendas.oday's Jihadist are just the latest in the line of extreme ingroup bias based groups who seek to inflict themselves on others. <br />And of course, the extreme capitalist cartels in Mexico..the mask may be different, but the face behind them is the same.
What a stupid question.
No, you opened the door, I just made you walk thru it.
Yeah. Lets delve into the alternate universe to see if Chappo became an interpretive dance instructor without black market drugs tempting him.

Seriously - this is one of your worst posts ever. If you honestly think you are on top of things here - go take a minute, have a drink and reflect.
Edited by estonianman, May 30 2016, 06:19 PM.
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At least James Week showed he was brave to strip and show that body............. :dunno:
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May 30 2016, 06:18 PM
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May 30 2016, 06:11 PM
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May 30 2016, 05:53 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepGovernments and their military have often functioned as proxies for the private sector to protect and serve their interest<br />If government were to be marginalized in terms of power, these entities would just create private military to assert their agendas.oday's Jihadist are just the latest in the line of extreme ingroup bias based groups who seek to inflict themselves on others. <br />And of course, the extreme capitalist cartels in Mexico..the mask may be different, but the face behind them is the same.
No, you opened the door, I just made you walk thru it.
Yeah. Lets delve into the alternate universe to see if Chappo became an interpretive dance instructor without black market drugs tempting him.

Seriously - this is one of your worst posts ever. If you honestly think you are on top of things here - go take a minute, have a drink and reflect.
Not a stupid question, given who he is, you're making the assumption that if he could sell his drugs legally he'd be just like any other entrepreneur instead of the savage sadistic xxxx he is. I'm saying he'd still be that sadistic xxxx.

As for being on top of things, I don't have such hubris, but I'm fairly certain you talk a lot of crap while enjoying the fruits of this life. You don't have the courage of your convictions, you're more then willing to take advantage of a statist life, you just think arrogantly that even though you take advantage of it, you think you have the balls to tell others how bad they are because they recognized the need for Government. How's that for being on top?
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May 30 2016, 06:03 PM
it is amazing to me that he was allowed to proceed

does the Libertarian Party want to be taken seriously?

THIS incident was a serious setback, and in a year where it looked like there might be a chance where they could gain some traction (mainly because of how bad the 2 major party candidates are), perhaps even enough to get federal funding in the 2020 election

they should have pulled this asshole off the stage and had him arrested for public indecency
It looked like the audience was generally upset by his behavior when they realized he was going all the way with an actual striptease.
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May 30 2016, 06:39 PM
I'm saying he'd still be that sadistic xxxx.
This level of speculation is just idiotic though. Whether you think he would or not is irrelevant and adds zero value to the discussion.

Tsalagi
May 30 2016, 06:39 PM
As for being on top of things, I don't have such hubris, but I'm fairly certain you talk a lot of crap while enjoying the fruits of this life. You don't have the courage of your convictions, you're more then willing to take advantage of a statist life, you just think arrogantly that even though you take advantage of it, you think you have the balls to tell others how bad they are because they recognized the need for Government. How's that for being on top?


Funny to read a moral relativist preaching about convictions. good show.

Edited by estonianman, May 30 2016, 07:23 PM.
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May 30 2016, 05:52 PM


What are the moral hazards of capitalism?
Well...lets look at these cartels as an example

One would think with the huge profits they earn from exporting euphoria products to the US would satisfy their greed.
Nope..they also extort businesses and individuals..engage in kidnapping and human trafficking and basically having much of the local population
under their heel. And with their vast capital, they have been able to corrupt government and police via bribes

And of course, legit businesses profit greatly from doing business with carte
ls

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/belgian-pharmaceutical-companies-tied-to-mexico-meth-trade

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

And

In the depths of a recession, the drug trade provided demand for an estimated 25,000 legitimate jobs in banking, real-estate construction, and the service industries. Dade County brought in $400 million extra a year in sales tax receipts. Ten thousand building permits were issued at a time when national construction was at a standstill. More than 20 skyscrapers were erected. “Cocaine was the currency that built that skyline,” Alex Daoud told me, while looking at the dense clusters of mainland high-rises across Biscayne Bay.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/10/12/cocaine-cowboys.html
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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May 30 2016, 07:20 PM
Tsalagi
May 30 2016, 06:39 PM
I'm saying he'd still be that sadistic xxxx.
This level of speculation is just idiotic though. Whether you think he would or not is irrelevant and adds zero value to the discussion.

Tsalagi
May 30 2016, 06:39 PM
As for being on top of things, I don't have such hubris, but I'm fairly certain you talk a lot of crap while enjoying the fruits of this life. You don't have the courage of your convictions, you're more then willing to take advantage of a statist life, you just think arrogantly that even though you take advantage of it, you think you have the balls to tell others how bad they are because they recognized the need for Government. How's that for being on top?


Funny to read a moral relativist preaching about convictions. good show.

We are all moral relativist to one degree or another..as I demonstrate in the post above..profit and greed often mitigate any moral considerations.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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May 30 2016, 07:59 PM
estonianman
May 30 2016, 05:52 PM


What are the moral hazards of capitalism?
Well...lets look at these cartels as an example

One would think with the huge profits they earn from exporting euphoria products to the US would satisfy their greed.
Nope..they also extort businesses and individuals..engage in kidnapping and human trafficking and basically having much of the local population
under their heel. And with their vast capital, they have been able to corrupt government and police via bribes

And of course, legit businesses profit greatly from doing business with carte
ls

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/belgian-pharmaceutical-companies-tied-to-mexico-meth-trade

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

And

In the depths of a recession, the drug trade provided demand for an estimated 25,000 legitimate jobs in banking, real-estate construction, and the service industries. Dade County brought in $400 million extra a year in sales tax receipts. Ten thousand building permits were issued at a time when national construction was at a standstill. More than 20 skyscrapers were erected. “Cocaine was the currency that built that skyline,” Alex Daoud told me, while looking at the dense clusters of mainland high-rises across Biscayne Bay.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/10/12/cocaine-cowboys.html
So kidnapping and human trafficking are inherent traits of capitalism?
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May 30 2016, 08:01 PM
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May 30 2016, 07:20 PM
Tsalagi
May 30 2016, 06:39 PM
I'm saying he'd still be that sadistic xxxx.
This level of speculation is just idiotic though. Whether you think he would or not is irrelevant and adds zero value to the discussion.

Tsalagi
May 30 2016, 06:39 PM
As for being on top of things, I don't have such hubris, but I'm fairly certain you talk a lot of crap while enjoying the fruits of this life. You don't have the courage of your convictions, you're more then willing to take advantage of a statist life, you just think arrogantly that even though you take advantage of it, you think you have the balls to tell others how bad they are because they recognized the need for Government. How's that for being on top?


Funny to read a moral relativist preaching about convictions. good show.

We are all moral relativist to one degree or another..as I demonstrate in the post above..profit and greed often mitigate any moral considerations.
I suppose to a degree - but statists blatantly excusing theft and murder because a government commits is a direct support of sociopathy.

I am sure you can find this hypocrisy in capitalism because that is simply a consequence of imperfect human nature - however I dare you to find a place where it is institutionalized and defended so adamantly as government force.
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May 30 2016, 08:30 PM
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May 30 2016, 07:59 PM
estonianman
May 30 2016, 05:52 PM


What are the moral hazards of capitalism?
Well...lets look at these cartels as an example

One would think with the huge profits they earn from exporting euphoria products to the US would satisfy their greed.
Nope..they also extort businesses and individuals..engage in kidnapping and human trafficking and basically having much of the local population
under their heel. And with their vast capital, they have been able to corrupt government and police via bribes

And of course, legit businesses profit greatly from doing business with carte
ls

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/belgian-pharmaceutical-companies-tied-to-mexico-meth-trade

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

And

In the depths of a recession, the drug trade provided demand for an estimated 25,000 legitimate jobs in banking, real-estate construction, and the service industries. Dade County brought in $400 million extra a year in sales tax receipts. Ten thousand building permits were issued at a time when national construction was at a standstill. More than 20 skyscrapers were erected. “Cocaine was the currency that built that skyline,” Alex Daoud told me, while looking at the dense clusters of mainland high-rises across Biscayne Bay.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/10/12/cocaine-cowboys.html
So kidnapping and human trafficking are inherent traits of capitalism?
they provide other "revenue streams" for the cartels...profit and the power that comes with it.

and of course, you skirt the legit businesses that profit from doing business with cartels.

You remind me of the sjw's in a away

like with BLM not wanting to discuss the violence with black communities...you seem averse in even acknowledging legit businesses role in corruption..it's always thew gubmint with you
though any gubmint corruption example you can produce, most likely, their is a private interest involved.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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May 30 2016, 08:33 PM
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May 30 2016, 07:20 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
We are all moral relativist to one degree or another..as I demonstrate in the post above..profit and greed often mitigate any moral considerations.
I suppose to a degree - but statists blatantly excusing theft and murder because a government commits is a direct support of sociopathy.

I am sure you can find this hypocrisy in capitalism because that is simply a consequence of imperfect human nature - however I dare you to find a place where it is institutionalized and defended so adamantly as government force.
and sometimes that theft and murder is at the behest of private interest

Need I remind you that in Germany, the private sector backed Hitler to protect their assets from the communist..and we know how that all panned out..and indeed..the private sector profited from doing business with the nazis
Edited by Mr. Tik, May 30 2016, 08:43 PM.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepWell...lets look at these cartels as an example

One would think with the huge profits they earn from exporting euphoria products to the US would satisfy their greed.
Nope..they also extort businesses and individuals..engage in kidnapping and human trafficking and basically having much of the local population
under their heel. And with their vast capital, they have been able to corrupt government and police via bribes

And of course, legit businesses profit greatly from doing business with carte
ls

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/belgian-pharmaceutical-companies-tied-to-mexico-meth-trade

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

And

In the depths of a recession, the drug trade provided demand for an estimated 25,000 legitimate jobs in banking, real-estate construction, and the service industries. Dade County brought in $400 million extra a year in sales tax receipts. Ten thousand building permits were issued at a time when national construction was at a standstill. More than 20 skyscrapers were erected. “Cocaine was the currency that built that skyline,” Alex Daoud told me, while looking at the dense clusters of mainland high-rises across Biscayne Bay.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/10/12/cocaine-cowboys.html
So kidnapping and human trafficking are inherent traits of capitalism?
they provide other "revenue streams" for the cartels...profit and the power that comes with it.

and of course, you skirt the legit businesses that profit from doing business with cartels.

You remind me of the sjw's in a away

like with BLM not wanting to discuss the violence with black communities...you seem averse in even acknowledging legit businesses role in corruption..it's always thew gubmint with you
though any gubmint corruption example you can produce, most likely, their is a private interest involved.
Wow projection, looks like I hit a nerve.

The problem with your argument is that government is inherently immoral. It funds itself via taxation and kidnaps people that disagree. Government can and will kill anyone that it deems necessary without repercussion. Now moral relativists will respond saying that these were all laid out in the social contract - and in the same way that a trespasser can be shot, as long as you are within geographical area this coercion is justified.

These are inherent characteristics of government - theft, murder, coercion, extortion - of every government on the planet, past or present. Different levels and extremes mind you - but consistent.


I asked you to name a moral fallacy that in similarly consistent throughout capitalism - and you came up with a murder and kidnapping, and other odious behavior by a gang in central mexico. This seems out of the ordinary - since I do not see Starbucks kidnapping their competition. When was the last time Google hung the heads of Microsoft employees from a bridge in Juarez?

I speak in jest - but give me something to work with here. Is it profit motive? Exploitation? What is an inherent moral fallacy of capitalism, like theft, murder and coercion is of government?
Edited by estonianman, May 30 2016, 08:56 PM.
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May 30 2016, 08:33 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepWe are all moral relativist to one degree or another..as I demonstrate in the post above..profit and greed often mitigate any moral considerations.
I suppose to a degree - but statists blatantly excusing theft and murder because a government commits is a direct support of sociopathy.

I am sure you can find this hypocrisy in capitalism because that is simply a consequence of imperfect human nature - however I dare you to find a place where it is institutionalized and defended so adamantly as government force.
and sometimes that theft and murder is at the behest of private interest

Need I remind you that in Germany, the private sector backed Hitler to protect their assets from the communist..and we know how that all panned out..and indeed..the private sector profited from doing business with the nazis
The citizens of Germany also supported the Nazi government, as I imagine the Americans would if the Chinese threatened to invade. Moral relativism is a slippery slope - notice the american left cares so much about the poor, but only the American poor, not the Chinese that are benefiting from increased employment.

Back to the private industries supporting the Nazis - that is simply a projection of human behavior, which is what those private industries are - a collection of individuals that also supported the Nazis.

Along those lines - is Lockheed Martin at morally at fault for manufacturing the Hellfire Missile - that which has resulted in untold civilian deaths?
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May 30 2016, 08:49 PM
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May 30 2016, 08:38 PM
estonianman
May 30 2016, 08:30 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepWell...lets look at these cartels as an example

One would think with the huge profits they earn from exporting euphoria products to the US would satisfy their greed.
Nope..they also extort businesses and individuals..engage in kidnapping and human trafficking and basically having much of the local population
under their heel. And with their vast capital, they have been able to corrupt government and police via bribes

And of course, legit businesses profit greatly from doing business with carte
ls

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/belgian-pharmaceutical-companies-tied-to-mexico-meth-trade

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

And

In the depths of a recession, the drug trade provided demand for an estimated 25,000 legitimate jobs in banking, real-estate construction, and the service industries. Dade County brought in $400 million extra a year in sales tax receipts. Ten thousand building permits were issued at a time when national construction was at a standstill. More than 20 skyscrapers were erected. “Cocaine was the currency that built that skyline,” Alex Daoud told me, while looking at the dense clusters of mainland high-rises across Biscayne Bay.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/10/12/cocaine-cowboys.html
they provide other "revenue streams" for the cartels...profit and the power that comes with it.

and of course, you skirt the legit businesses that profit from doing business with cartels.

You remind me of the sjw's in a away

like with BLM not wanting to discuss the violence with black communities...you seem averse in even acknowledging legit businesses role in corruption..it's always thew gubmint with you
though any gubmint corruption example you can produce, most likely, their is a private interest involved.
Wow projection, looks like I hit a nerve.

The problem with your argument is that government is inherently immoral. It funds itself via taxation and kidnaps people that disagree. Government can and will kill anyone that it deems necessary without repercussion. Now moral relativists will respond saying that these were all laid out in the social contract - and in the same way that a trespasser can be shot, as long as you are within geographical area this coercion is justified.

These are inherent characteristics of government - theft, murder, coercion, extortion - of every government on the planet, past or present. Different levels and extremes mind you - but consistent.


I asked you to name a moral fallacy that in similarly consistent throughout capitalism - and you came up with a murder and kidnapping, and other odious behavior by a gang in central mexico. This seems out of the ordinary - since I do not see Starbucks kidnapping their competition. When was the last time Google hung the heads of Microsoft employees from a bridge in Juarez?

I speak in jest - but give me something to working here. Is it profit motive? Exploitation? What is an inherent moral fallacy of capitalism, like theft, murder and coercion is of government?
I am not really defending government as much as I am providing a counter balance to your one sided narratives.

I do not have a problem with the private or public sector in of themselves.
And of course again..when you mention the inherent properties of government without seeing how usually, private interest act in collusion with that corruption to serve their interest.

Take our military, who produces all the bombs,drones, tanks, weapons and other gear needed for warfare?
Private defense companies.

You exhibit your own moral relativism via your omission of these factors and try to lay the onus entirely on the public sector.
And really..both public and private sectors are only extensions of the societies that give birth to them
The issues lie more deeply than your ideological model would lead us to believe.

And just because the private sector often enforces its will via government..it doesn't take the blood off their hands.

Edited by Mr. Tik, May 30 2016, 09:29 PM.
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May 30 2016, 08:42 PM
estonianman
May 30 2016, 08:33 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepWe are all moral relativist to one degree or another..as I demonstrate in the post above..profit and greed often mitigate any moral considerations.
and sometimes that theft and murder is at the behest of private interest

Need I remind you that in Germany, the private sector backed Hitler to protect their assets from the communist..and we know how that all panned out..and indeed..the private sector profited from doing business with the nazis
The citizens of Germany also supported the Nazi government, as I imagine the Americans would if the Chinese threatened to invade. Moral relativism is a slippery slope - notice the american left cares so much about the poor, but only the American poor, not the Chinese that are benefiting from increased employment.

Back to the private industries supporting the Nazis - that is simply a projection of human behavior, which is what those private industries are - a collection of individuals that also supported the Nazis.

Along those lines - is Lockheed Martin at morally at fault for manufacturing the Hellfire Missile - that which has resulted in untold civilian deaths?
Lockheed is certainly complicit.
They create a product that they know will be used in a violent and destructive manner.
Many of the modern conveniences we enjoy (cell phones, computer, internet) have their roots in military applications.
Our inherent war like nature via ingroup bias is the driving force behind innovation..and speaks to the deep flaws we have as a species.

Hitler exploited the fear of communism to gain power and the private sector colluded with the Nazis to serve their interest.
If not for their support, Hitler may very well had ended up being a footnote to history...or maybe..he stopped the communication of Europe.

The difference between you and I is that you hyperfocus on strands whereas I look at the whole tapestry.
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May 30 2016, 09:28 PM
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May 30 2016, 08:49 PM
Adolph Hipster
May 30 2016, 08:38 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepWell...lets look at these cartels as an example

One would think with the huge profits they earn from exporting euphoria products to the US would satisfy their greed.
Nope..they also extort businesses and individuals..engage in kidnapping and human trafficking and basically having much of the local population
under their heel. And with their vast capital, they have been able to corrupt government and police via bribes

And of course, legit businesses profit greatly from doing business with carte
ls

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/belgian-pharmaceutical-companies-tied-to-mexico-meth-trade

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

And

In the depths of a recession, the drug trade provided demand for an estimated 25,000 legitimate jobs in banking, real-estate construction, and the service industries. Dade County brought in $400 million extra a year in sales tax receipts. Ten thousand building permits were issued at a time when national construction was at a standstill. More than 20 skyscrapers were erected. “Cocaine was the currency that built that skyline,” Alex Daoud told me, while looking at the dense clusters of mainland high-rises across Biscayne Bay.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/10/12/cocaine-cowboys.htmlthey provide other "revenue streams" for the cartels...profit and the power that comes with it.

and of course, you skirt the legit businesses that profit from doing business with cartels.

You remind me of the sjw's in a away

like with BLM not wanting to discuss the violence with black communities...you seem averse in even acknowledging legit businesses role in corruption..it's always thew gubmint with you
though any gubmint corruption example you can produce, most likely, their is a private interest involved.
Wow projection, looks like I hit a nerve.

The problem with your argument is that government is inherently immoral. It funds itself via taxation and kidnaps people that disagree. Government can and will kill anyone that it deems necessary without repercussion. Now moral relativists will respond saying that these were all laid out in the social contract - and in the same way that a trespasser can be shot, as long as you are within geographical area this coercion is justified.

These are inherent characteristics of government - theft, murder, coercion, extortion - of every government on the planet, past or present. Different levels and extremes mind you - but consistent.


I asked you to name a moral fallacy that in similarly consistent throughout capitalism - and you came up with a murder and kidnapping, and other odious behavior by a gang in central mexico. This seems out of the ordinary - since I do not see Starbucks kidnapping their competition. When was the last time Google hung the heads of Microsoft employees from a bridge in Juarez?

I speak in jest - but give me something to working here. Is it profit motive? Exploitation? What is an inherent moral fallacy of capitalism, like theft, murder and coercion is of government?
I am not really defending government as much as I am providing a counter balance to your one sided narratives.

I do not have a problem with the private or public sector in of themselves.
And of course again..when you mention the inherent properties of government without seeing how usually, private interest act in collusion with that corruption to serve their interest.

Take our military, who produces all the bombs,drones, tanks, weapons and other gear needed for warfare?
Private defense companies.

You exhibit your own moral relativism via your omission of these factors and try to lay the onus entirely on the public sector.
And really..both public and private sectors are only extensions of the societies that give birth to them
The issues lie more deeply than your ideological model would lead us to believe.

And just because the private sector often enforces its will via government..it doesn't take the blood off their hands.

Fair enough. If a private company lobbies government to commit an immoral act, it is absolutely complicit and I will be the first to say so.

That being said - I have never seen or heard a libertarian defend collusion with government, it is always statists.
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May 30 2016, 06:39 PM
I'm saying he'd still be that sadistic xxxx.
This level of speculation is just idiotic though. Whether you think he would or not is irrelevant and adds zero value to the discussion.

Tsalagi
May 30 2016, 06:39 PM
As for being on top of things, I don't have such hubris, but I'm fairly certain you talk a lot of crap while enjoying the fruits of this life. You don't have the courage of your convictions, you're more then willing to take advantage of a statist life, you just think arrogantly that even though you take advantage of it, you think you have the balls to tell others how bad they are because they recognized the need for Government. How's that for being on top?


Funny to read a moral relativist preaching about convictions. good show.

What's funny is that you are being undressed for what you are. Only not as willingly as that guy in the op.

:cheers:


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