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| CautionaryTales | Jun 2 2016, 07:07 AM Post #41 |
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If this were about schoolyard kids you might be right. It's not. It's about judging the two (2) people that have a realistic chance to be the next President. |
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| ringotuna | Jun 2 2016, 07:11 AM Post #42 |
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Ok, so you don't like my analogy. Little Donnie get's caught telling 20 lies..Little Hillary get's caught telling 10. Which one is trustworthy? All better now? |
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| CautionaryTales | Jun 2 2016, 07:12 AM Post #43 |
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Two am's compliation is a decent point to make. |
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| ringotuna | Jun 2 2016, 07:15 AM Post #44 |
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Which one is trustworthy? The correct answer is neither. Edited by ringotuna, Jun 2 2016, 07:16 AM.
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| CautionaryTales | Jun 2 2016, 07:26 AM Post #45 |
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The question is which one is most honest. It's in the title of the thread. Edited by CautionaryTales, Jun 2 2016, 07:27 AM.
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| Two a.m. | Jun 2 2016, 10:16 AM Post #46 |
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It is all about likability. If we find someone likable, we tend to associate positive qualities with them - including honesty. We can forgive Bill Clinton his lies because he's charming. But when it is Hillary, well...she's just a liar. |
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| Two a.m. | Jun 2 2016, 10:20 AM Post #47 |
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Have you ever lied to anyone about anything? Even once? If you have, does that mean you are an irredeemably dishonest person? For the record, I've lied before. But most of my friends consider me among the most honest people they know. And they're right. I am. Funny how we apply such exacting standards to politicians but we'd never apply them to our own behavior. Edited by Two a.m., Jun 2 2016, 10:21 AM.
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| "The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984 | |
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| edro14 | Jun 2 2016, 10:20 AM Post #48 |
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Let me get this right, Texans are known for tall tales...do they tell the truth? |
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| ringotuna | Jun 3 2016, 04:04 AM Post #49 |
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Does P.com allow only one question per thread now, or are you just trying to avoid my question? |
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| ringotuna | Jun 3 2016, 05:20 AM Post #50 |
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We've had that discussion before Two, and nothing has changed. I don't hold candidates to a higher standard. I hold them to the same standard I try to hold for myself. If you understood the business I'm in you'd recognize why trustworthiness is paramount. Although we both know neither candidate is trustworthy, it's pointless to try and score their honesty in this way. Like I said earlier, 'garbage in...garbage out' You yourself said your summary is unscientific. I very much agree, and no offense, but I believe whatever time you put in to this exercise could have been better spent on other endeavors. There is no reliable basis here to judge the integrity of one candidate over the other. But if you look closely, there are some distinctions which can be made between Clinton's and Trump's lies. Trump's spewings are reactionary and visceral. His bullsh!t seems to roll off his tongue without ever passing through a brain. He has no filter so to speak. Clinton's on the other hand are far more subtle and contrived, as if borne from a damage control war room filled with minions brain storming how to plausibly deny certain facts. Quite the opposite of Trump's, Hillary's lies are careful and thoughtful constructs of deception. One only has to look at the evolution of her statements regarding her handling of classified information on her server to recognize this. This distinction I believe, is why some folks here say they prefer Trump's 'honest bullsh!t' over Hillary's. "He speaks his mind" they say. And they have a point, he is indeed more straight-forward but for me that counts for absolutely nothing. It's what's in his sick mind that's disturbing. Measuring the honesty of habitual liars such as Clinton & Trump?....It's like asking whether the half full septic tank smells fresher than the full tank. |
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| CautionaryTales | Jun 3 2016, 05:37 AM Post #51 |
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There will be two people left to vote for after Tuesday night. Since no one is perfect both have issues of truth in their histories. Incidentally, so do you and so do I. So does everyone. This I freely admit. But in the case of the election the two that matter, they can be judged objectively in the way the op has presented in this thread. |
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| ringotuna | Jun 3 2016, 05:45 AM Post #52 |
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I disagree.
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| CautionaryTales | Jun 3 2016, 05:46 AM Post #53 |
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I'm sure you do. |
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| ringotuna | Jun 3 2016, 05:52 AM Post #54 |
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With good reason.
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| CautionaryTales | Jun 3 2016, 06:07 AM Post #55 |
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Yes, you don't like her. Fair enough. But that has nothing to do with two am's compilation. |
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| CautionaryTales | Jun 3 2016, 06:10 AM Post #56 |
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Bump, to restore the thread to its beginning. |
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| ringotuna | Jun 3 2016, 06:12 AM Post #57 |
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I don't like either candidate. And I get it. Two's summary confirms your bias, therefore it is valid and objective.
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| ringotuna | Jun 3 2016, 06:23 AM Post #58 |
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Two makes an excellent point about likability, one which you should take to heart. You like Hillary therefore your perception of her integrity is less than objective. |
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| grannyhawkins | Jun 3 2016, 08:44 PM Post #59 |
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I say that big talk's worth doodly-squat
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Like I said afore, politifact compilin political statements, made by politicians, while campaignin fur a job, has absolutely nuthin to do with "Honesty"!!! Jim Webb an Jeb Bush are probably the most honest of the bunch, as fur the rest, I woodint leave my purse out unattended aroun any of em, but least of all, the pantsuit!!! All she needs is, a personal scrap of paper or a rumor, to want to destroy you!!! She is one vindictive person an ta be vindictive you almost certainly have to be dishonest!!! |
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