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Ukraine Declares War on Journalism
Topic Started: Jun 1 2016, 10:20 AM (757 Views)
Siberian
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In July 2014, I went to Donetsk, a separatist-controlled region in eastern Ukraine, to cover the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. It was a dangerous place at the time. The Ukrainian military and the rebels were shelling each other, and temperamental men with Kalashnikovs who had been known to kidnap journalists were everywhere.

Like many foreign reporters, I was there to relay what was happening to the remains of the downed flight’s 298 passengers and crew members. Before I went to the crash site, I obtained accreditation from the separatists. This did not guarantee that I would be safe, but it was the only way to get past the armed checkpoints.

Now Ukraine has labeled me an accomplice in terrorism.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/opinion/ukraine-declares-war-on-journalism.html
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I have always viewed all journalists to be war criminals who take one side or the other in wars and spew propaganda......... :mad:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Stef
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Indeed, not an healthy attitude from the authorities.
But then, from same author in same article:

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That is how Mr. Poroshenko dismissed a New York Times editorial criticizing his failure to tackle corruption. In trying to encourage “patriotic” journalism, in which the state always receives the benefit of the doubt, Ukrainian officials are actually fostering a journalism culture similar to Russia’s. Russia, too, chastises reporters and publications that publish stories critical of the government for not being patriotic. And that’s why not many do so anymore. Recently, the editorial staff of one of the few remaining independent news organizations in Russia, RBC, was dismissed following government pressure. There are also darker chapters of silencing critical journalists, including accusations of murder.


Hopefully Russia and Ukraine will at some point learn the value of truly independent press.
Stef ;)
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Stef
Jun 1 2016, 03:52 PM
Indeed, not an healthy attitude from the authorities.
But then, from same author in same article:

Quote:
 
That is how Mr. Poroshenko dismissed a New York Times editorial criticizing his failure to tackle corruption. In trying to encourage “patriotic” journalism, in which the state always receives the benefit of the doubt, Ukrainian officials are actually fostering a journalism culture similar to Russia’s. Russia, too, chastises reporters and publications that publish stories critical of the government for not being patriotic. And that’s why not many do so anymore. Recently, the editorial staff of one of the few remaining independent news organizations in Russia, RBC, was dismissed following government pressure. There are also darker chapters of silencing critical journalists, including accusations of murder.


Hopefully Russia and Ukraine will at some point learn the value of truly independent press.
Stef ;)
I have not noticed that the press is independent in my country...Independent reporters keep losing their job............. :dunno:
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Stef
Jun 1 2016, 03:52 PM
Indeed, not an healthy attitude from the authorities.
But then, from same author in same article:

Quote:
 
That is how Mr. Poroshenko dismissed a New York Times editorial criticizing his failure to tackle corruption. In trying to encourage “patriotic” journalism, in which the state always receives the benefit of the doubt, Ukrainian officials are actually fostering a journalism culture similar to Russia’s. Russia, too, chastises reporters and publications that publish stories critical of the government for not being patriotic. And that’s why not many do so anymore. Recently, the editorial staff of one of the few remaining independent news organizations in Russia, RBC, was dismissed following government pressure. There are also darker chapters of silencing critical journalists, including accusations of murder.


Hopefully Russia and Ukraine will at some point learn the value of truly independent press.
Stef ;)
Are you trying to say that regarding UK such hopes are in vain? :)
Stef, don' t pretend to be a child, there is no independent press in the World, and in the UK BBC, for example, is financed by the government. If you didn't know. Just like RT :lol:
Don't you think it is the reason it participates in the campaign of lie on Russia, for example?
As for RBC, according to some articles, "editorial staff" as mentioned in your quote - was to work till 30 of June.
Let us see if rbc.ru is still active? :lol:
Besides, it has never been an opposition outlet, I can't even say that "there are much nore radical opposition press" because "much more" is not a proper word, rbc was not an opposition at all, it belongs to an oligarkh Prohorov and serves his interests.
And change of editor in chief and her aids - regrettable for me if there was really some pressure - does not change a bit in freedom of press in Russia.
I can't say that there is absolute freedom of every journalist to express his views anywhere, - no, you can express your views absolutely freely, but how much it will be spread depends on what sourse you use. If you work for the RBC or BBC you obey to the owner. In a form or another. Don't try to pretend it is not so.
The situation is absolutely equial in Russia, UK or US etc. I'd even say that Western press is much more framed, orchestrated and single-minded, at least on many issues. Find a single example when professionalism and non-biased approach on Russia was not unpunished in the West :)

https://www.rt.com/news/330735-minister-interview-poland-ww2/
Edited by Siberian, Jun 2 2016, 01:00 AM.
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Siberian
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As for Ukraine - in this EU freedom paradise opposition (to nazis) journalists are killed and their murderers are not persecuted.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oles_Buzina
Most Russian movies and TV channels are banned, at all, just because they are Russian. As well as in Baltuc states, for example, or Georgia.
The EU has quite a peculiar freedom - of doing what is approved only :lol:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/business/article/lithuania-may-block-two-more-russian-tv-channels-for-biased-coverage/514084.html

Generally, Stef, just admit you are a zombie who is fed with only "right" news and information and unless you watch and read alternative (to controlled and sensored Western one) TV and press - you have no chance to have a balanced and non-biased views :lol:
What non- Western sourses do you use, may I ask?
Edited by Siberian, Jun 2 2016, 01:21 AM.
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Siberian
Jun 2 2016, 12:52 AM
Stef
Jun 1 2016, 03:52 PM
Indeed, not an healthy attitude from the authorities.
But then, from same author in same article:

Quote:
 
That is how Mr. Poroshenko dismissed a New York Times editorial criticizing his failure to tackle corruption. In trying to encourage “patriotic” journalism, in which the state always receives the benefit of the doubt, Ukrainian officials are actually fostering a journalism culture similar to Russia’s. Russia, too, chastises reporters and publications that publish stories critical of the government for not being patriotic. And that’s why not many do so anymore. Recently, the editorial staff of one of the few remaining independent news organizations in Russia, RBC, was dismissed following government pressure. There are also darker chapters of silencing critical journalists, including accusations of murder.


Hopefully Russia and Ukraine will at some point learn the value of truly independent press.
Stef ;)
Are you trying to say that regarding UK such hopes are in vain? :)
Stef, don' t pretend to be a child, there is no independent press in the World, and in the UK BBC, for example, is financed by the government. If you didn't know. Just like RT :lol:
Don't you think it is the reason it participates in the campaign of lie on Russia, for example?
As for RBC, according to some articles, "editorial staff" as mentioned in your quote - was to work till 30 of June.
Let us see if rbc.ru is still active? :lol:
Besides, it has never been an opposition outlet, I can't even say that "there are much nore radical opposition press" because "much more" is not a proper word, rbc was not an opposition at all, it belongs to an oligarkh Prohorov and serves his interests.
And change of editor in chief and her aids - regrettable for me if there was really some pressure - does not change a bit in freedom of press in Russia.
I can't say that there is absolute freedom of every journalist to express his views anywhere, - no, you can express your views absolutely freely, but how much it will be spread depends on what sourse you use. If you work for the RBC or BBC you obey to the owner. In a form or another. Don't try to pretend it is not so.
The situation is absolutely equial in Russia, UK or US etc. I'd even say that Western press is much more framed, orchestrated and single-minded, at least on many issues. Find a single example when professionalism and non-biased approach on Russia was not unpunished in the West :)

https://www.rt.com/news/330735-minister-interview-poland-ww2/
" there is no independent press in the World"

https://rsf.org/en/ranking

This is the current way how the freedom of the press is ranked. You're not in a position to give any ranks at all.
Your message is basically nulled, void, illogical and completely irrelevant.
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Stef
Jun 1 2016, 03:52 PM
Indeed, not an healthy attitude from the authorities.
But then, from same author in same article:

Quote:
 
That is how Mr. Poroshenko dismissed a New York Times editorial criticizing his failure to tackle corruption. In trying to encourage “patriotic” journalism, in which the state always receives the benefit of the doubt, Ukrainian officials are actually fostering a journalism culture similar to Russia’s. Russia, too, chastises reporters and publications that publish stories critical of the government for not being patriotic. And that’s why not many do so anymore. Recently, the editorial staff of one of the few remaining independent news organizations in Russia, RBC, was dismissed following government pressure. There are also darker chapters of silencing critical journalists, including accusations of murder.


Hopefully Russia and Ukraine will at some point learn the value of truly independent press.
Stef ;)
Correct Stef...

as usual you nailed it.

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What does this have to do with the Ukraine?
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voted4reagan
Jun 4 2016, 09:17 AM
Stef
Jun 1 2016, 03:52 PM
Indeed, not an healthy attitude from the authorities.
But then, from same author in same article:

Quote:
 
That is how Mr. Poroshenko dismissed a New York Times editorial criticizing his failure to tackle corruption. In trying to encourage “patriotic” journalism, in which the state always receives the benefit of the doubt, Ukrainian officials are actually fostering a journalism culture similar to Russia’s. Russia, too, chastises reporters and publications that publish stories critical of the government for not being patriotic. And that’s why not many do so anymore. Recently, the editorial staff of one of the few remaining independent news organizations in Russia, RBC, was dismissed following government pressure. There are also darker chapters of silencing critical journalists, including accusations of murder.


Hopefully Russia and Ukraine will at some point learn the value of truly independent press.
Stef ;)
Correct Stef...

as usual you nailed it.

Well V4R, our friend Siberian sees no difference between the BBC's coverage and the RT's one.
In fact he believes that all the press, world wide, is controlled in the same way.
That's the result of his motherland's propaganda. Apparently it's truly effective when it comes to our Siberian.
And he calls me a zombie. :lol:

There again, he may not believe a word he says here.
I hope so for his sake but who knows?

Stef ;)
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jar
Jun 4 2016, 10:52 AM
Rugged russian LED indicates a slight overload: http://imgur.com/gallery/YegLM :lol:
jar, wtf is that to this thread?

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Stef
Jun 4 2016, 05:21 PM
voted4reagan
Jun 4 2016, 09:17 AM
Stef
Jun 1 2016, 03:52 PM
Indeed, not an healthy attitude from the authorities.
But then, from same author in same article:


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Correct Stef...

as usual you nailed it.

Well V4R, our friend Siberian sees no difference between the BBC's coverage and the RT's one.
In fact he believes that all the press, world wide, is controlled in the same way.
That's the result of his motherland's propaganda. Apparently it's truly effective when it comes to our Siberian.
And he calls me a zombie. :lol:

There again, he may not believe a word he says here.
I hope so for his sake but who knows?

Stef ;)
Stef, I see the difference, of course, RT is much, much better if we compare let's say informativeness. I've been watching CNN and BBC for 2 decades already, not permanently and daily, but from time to time. I can't afford wasting time recently. And I was always wondering how BBC World can choose the least significant stuff as news and limit all what must be reported with just 3-4 reports, 2 of which were about some African crops being eaten by some malaria and one social news about how life is hard for a specific girl in Bangladesh. From time to time they also add a biased report on a political rival like Russia - if nothing happens at that moment to concentrate on it within an information war. I don't know, maybe they changed their editorial policy recently, under pressure from competitors like RT, but not much.
Generally, RT brings more facts, more reliable in news it gives just because otherwise it has been chased in courts million times in the West, though, of course it is as much a tool as BBC etc, just ways are different. Yours have to lie and exagerrate while for RT it's enough to bring you the truth about you and omit some (I emphasise it - some!) truth about Russia :)
What is more disturbing to you, to listen to the truth about you or you just miss a daily dose of dirt about Russia you are used to in your media? :lol:
Your words are worth nothing till you prove RT lies.
Edited by Siberian, Jun 13 2016, 03:11 AM.
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Jun 4 2016, 05:39 PM
jar
Jun 4 2016, 10:52 AM
Rugged russian LED indicates a slight overload: http://imgur.com/gallery/YegLM :lol:
jar, wtf is that to this thread?

Siberian trying to find any reasons why Russia had a reason to attack Ukraine.

This logic and forms of humour is used by US republicans and many other nationalists in many countries as well, even in Finland.
Edited by jar, Jun 16 2016, 01:24 PM.
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jar
Jun 16 2016, 01:20 PM
wilmywood8455
Jun 4 2016, 05:39 PM
jar
Jun 4 2016, 10:52 AM
Rugged russian LED indicates a slight overload: http://imgur.com/gallery/YegLM :lol:
jar, wtf is that to this thread?

Siberian trying to find any reasons why Russia had a reason to attack Ukraine.

This logic and forms of humour is used by US republicans and many other nationalists in many countries as well, even in Finland.
Russia attacked Ukraine?
and who won?
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