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Government Can’t Help; It Can Only Hurt
Topic Started: Jun 2 2016, 04:24 PM (723 Views)
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https://youtu.be/SY5Y4cR80Ec
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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Jun 2 2016, 04:24 PM
Like I have always said - government cannot create anything, it can only choose to destroy less.
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It is simple to determine that this is complete fecal matter. How do we know? All we have to do is look at human history and we can see that every time, every single time, a society has grown to any significant size, it creates a government. If government didn't help, societies wouldn't consistently have them. And even when people have decided they don't like their current government and have abandoned that society, they eventually establish yet another government wherever they've migrated.

Thousands up on thousands of years, and no non-government society of any size has lasted more than a few handfuls of years, yet libertarians keep deluding themselves that non-government not only works, but is ideal.
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Jun 2 2016, 10:40 PM
It is simple to determine that this is complete fecal matter. How do we know? All we have to do is look at human history and we can see that every time, every single time, a society has grown to any significant size, it creates a government. If government didn't help, societies wouldn't consistently have them. And even when people have decided they don't like their current government and have abandoned that society, they eventually establish yet another government wherever they've migrated.

Thousands up on thousands of years, and no non-government society of any size has lasted more than a few handfuls of years, yet libertarians keep deluding themselves that non-government not only works, but is ideal.
You missed the point completely and throw yourself up as a human shield for bureaucrats that don't know you nor care about you.

Society when it gets to a certain level always creates the mafia, or certain other sub-cultures.

So by your logic - does this justify the mafia's existence?
Edited by estonianman, Jun 2 2016, 11:02 PM.
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Jun 2 2016, 11:00 PM
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Jun 2 2016, 10:40 PM
It is simple to determine that this is complete fecal matter. How do we know? All we have to do is look at human history and we can see that every time, every single time, a society has grown to any significant size, it creates a government. If government didn't help, societies wouldn't consistently have them. And even when people have decided they don't like their current government and have abandoned that society, they eventually establish yet another government wherever they've migrated.

Thousands up on thousands of years, and no non-government society of any size has lasted more than a few handfuls of years, yet libertarians keep deluding themselves that non-government not only works, but is ideal.
You missed the point completely and throw yourself up as a human shield for bureaucrats that don't know you nor care about you.

Society when it gets to a certain level always creates the mafia, or certain other sub-cultures.

So by your logic - does this justify the mafia's existence?
Says the man who won't leave the society with the government he systematically disparages.
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Jun 2 2016, 11:10 PM
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Jun 2 2016, 11:00 PM
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Jun 2 2016, 10:40 PM
It is simple to determine that this is complete fecal matter. How do we know? All we have to do is look at human history and we can see that every time, every single time, a society has grown to any significant size, it creates a government. If government didn't help, societies wouldn't consistently have them. And even when people have decided they don't like their current government and have abandoned that society, they eventually establish yet another government wherever they've migrated.

Thousands up on thousands of years, and no non-government society of any size has lasted more than a few handfuls of years, yet libertarians keep deluding themselves that non-government not only works, but is ideal.
You missed the point completely and throw yourself up as a human shield for bureaucrats that don't know you nor care about you.

Society when it gets to a certain level always creates the mafia, or certain other sub-cultures.

So by your logic - does this justify the mafia's existence?
Says the man who won't leave the society with the government he systematically disparages.


So no answer then?
Edited by estonianman, Jun 2 2016, 11:20 PM.
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As long as human are eusocial animals, we will always have government.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Jun 3 2016, 12:52 AM
As long as human are eusocial animals, we will always have government.
Eusocial doesn't require a hierarchy, rather voluntary trade amongst individuals fills the eusocial requirement nicely.
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The government only helps unions.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Let me guess. All you anti-government (anarchist) live in the hills or the country, a hundred miles from no-where?
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Jun 3 2016, 12:52 AM
As long as human are eusocial animals, we will always have government.
Ants and some other animals have eusocial societies....Not humans....What are you babbling about ???................ :rollseyes:
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Jun 3 2016, 01:48 AM
Let me guess. All you anti-government (anarchist) live in the hills or the country, a hundred miles from no-where?
Government does not equal society.

Idiot.,
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Says the man who won't leave the society with the government he systematically disparages.


So no answer then?
You are my answer. You are an example of why libertarianism is nothing more than a half baked fantasy built on self delusion. In all the world there must be someplace you consider better because it has a lower level of government, which is closer to your ideal. But rather than going there, or finding someplace where you can practice your non-government, you stay here and instead try to tear our government down.
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So no answer then?
You are my answer. You are an example of why libertarianism is nothing more than a half baked fantasy built on self delusion. In all the world there must be someplace you consider better because it has a lower level of government, which is closer to your ideal. But rather than going there, or finding someplace where you can practice your non-government, you stay here and instead try to tear our government down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)

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Jun 3 2016, 01:31 AM
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Jun 3 2016, 12:52 AM
As long as human are eusocial animals, we will always have government.
Eusocial doesn't require a hierarchy, rather voluntary trade amongst individuals fills the eusocial requirement nicely.
In a perfect world with a perfect species maybe.
Try running a corporation without management.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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The Government only helps red states with food stamps and public assistance. Free cheese for free loaders.
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Jun 3 2016, 11:04 AM
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Jun 3 2016, 12:52 AM
As long as human are eusocial animals, we will always have government.
Eusocial doesn't require a hierarchy, rather voluntary trade amongst individuals fills the eusocial requirement nicely.
In a perfect world with a perfect species maybe.
Try running a corporation without management.
That's a good point. Although I would argue that a corporation always answers to both its consumers and investors. So instead of a pyramid - the accountability is circular.

Curious where the marxists "classless" society fits into eusociality. Could it be that the most eusocial compatible ideology is actually the least compatible?
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Jun 3 2016, 10:48 AM
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You are my answer. You are an example of why libertarianism is nothing more than a half baked fantasy built on self delusion. In all the world there must be someplace you consider better because it has a lower level of government, which is closer to your ideal. But rather than going there, or finding someplace where you can practice your non-government, you stay here and instead try to tear our government down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)

YOU are the proof that libertarianism is nothing but pure failure.
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Jun 3 2016, 10:48 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)

YOU are the proof that libertarianism is nothing but pure failure.
^^ "It is because I want it to be! Waaah!"

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Jun 3 2016, 11:12 AM
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Jun 3 2016, 11:08 AM
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Jun 3 2016, 10:48 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepevery single timehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)

YOU are the proof that libertarianism is nothing but pure failure.
^^ "It is because I want it to be! Waaah!"

No, that's not it. It's because you lack the convictions necessary to actually DO something about it. You could go form your own society. You could go join another society more to your liking. Instead, you stay here and do nothing but piss and moan about how horrible government is.

We don't care. We know you don't really believe it's that bad, or you wouldn't stay here. You'd flee the horrors of oppressive government. Since you don't, we know you're full of it. As are pretty much every hardcore libertarian I've ever encountered.

Syrian refugees? THEY know what oppressive government is. You, you're just a whiner. You've got nothing but 1st world problems.
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