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That nutty Sanders and his free college nonsense; We can't afford it
Topic Started: Jun 2 2016, 04:44 PM (1,245 Views)
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Senator Bernie Sanders wants it. Until the Vietnam War, most public colleges and universities had it. So what happened to our tuition-free public universities and colleges?

UC Berkeley is perhaps the poster child for what has happened to the idea of tuition-free colleges and universities. It is something most other developed countries have for its citizens but no longer in the U.S. And tuition-free higher education — particularly for taxpayer funded public colleges and universities — was in the founding charters of most higher public educational institutions.

When I entered UC Berkeley as a freshman in the late 1950s, my $300 scholarship covered the first year administration fees. There was no tuition. Today UC Berkeley charges a tuition fee of $13,518 per academic year for California residents. Out-of-state residents have to add an additional $26,682 in tuition fees.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harlan-green/what-happened-to-tuition_b_10240514.html
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The state can't afford to pay for it and the students are rapidly becoming unable to pay for it so at this rate higher education will become something only the upper middle class and rich can afford.

And it is impossible to believe that this is all because teacher salaries have gone up. There is more spending cooked in there.
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Jun 2 2016, 04:44 PM

Senator Bernie Sanders wants it. Until the Vietnam War, most public colleges and universities had it. So what happened to our tuition-free public universities and colleges?

UC Berkeley is perhaps the poster child for what has happened to the idea of tuition-free colleges and universities. It is something most other developed countries have for its citizens but no longer in the U.S. And tuition-free higher education — particularly for taxpayer funded public colleges and universities — was in the founding charters of most higher public educational institutions.

When I entered UC Berkeley as a freshman in the late 1950s, my $300 scholarship covered the first year administration fees. There was no tuition. Today UC Berkeley charges a tuition fee of $13,518 per academic year for California residents. Out-of-state residents have to add an additional $26,682 in tuition fees.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harlan-green/what-happened-to-tuition_b_10240514.html
Nothing is free my little sunshine.
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Free college gets you more of this:

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Jun 2 2016, 04:44 PM

Senator Bernie Sanders wants it. Until the Vietnam War, most public colleges and universities had it. So what happened to our tuition-free public universities and colleges?

UC Berkeley is perhaps the poster child for what has happened to the idea of tuition-free colleges and universities. It is something most other developed countries have for its citizens but no longer in the U.S. And tuition-free higher education — particularly for taxpayer funded public colleges and universities — was in the founding charters of most higher public educational institutions.

When I entered UC Berkeley as a freshman in the late 1950s, my $300 scholarship covered the first year administration fees. There was no tuition. Today UC Berkeley charges a tuition fee of $13,518 per academic year for California residents. Out-of-state residents have to add an additional $26,682 in tuition fees.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harlan-green/what-happened-to-tuition_b_10240514.html
Moral hazards aside its a terrible idea - most kids shouldn't even go to college.
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Jun 2 2016, 04:50 PM
The state can't afford to pay for it and the students are rapidly becoming unable to pay for it so at this rate higher education will become something only the upper middle class and rich can afford.

And it is impossible to believe that this is all because teacher salaries have gone up. There is more spending cooked in there.
Because the government co-signs the loans.

easy money results in high prices - economics 101
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Government is to blame for overpriced Education.
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Everyone bloviating with no facts to prove the hot air being spewed
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Jun 2 2016, 05:03 PM
Everyone bloviating with no facts to prove the hot air being spewed
Here's a fact - but I doubt you will consider it

Free Universities And No Student Loan Debt Is Hurting Denmark's Economy

Typical is 23-year-old Ali Badreldin, who is enrolled at the Royal Danish Academy of Music to become a saxophone player. "Music was always part of my life growing up so it was a natural choice," he said.

His courses are free and he gets a monthly stipend of 5,839 DKK (782 euros, $1,074) in a system where class sizes are rarely limited.

The result has Denmark spending more proportionally on education than any other country in the OECD club of 34 advanced nations.

Yet biotech firms like Novozymes say they cannot find enough engineers.

http://www.businessinsider.com/free-universities-and-no-student-loan-debt-is-hurting-denmarks-economy-2014-6
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So yeah - "free" college is a fecking joke. Bernie is a retard for even mentioning such absurdity.

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estonianman
Jun 2 2016, 05:08 PM
Sunshine Superman
Jun 2 2016, 05:03 PM
Everyone bloviating with no facts to prove the hot air being spewed
Here's a fact - but I doubt you will consider it

Free Universities And No Student Loan Debt Is Hurting Denmark's Economy

Typical is 23-year-old Ali Badreldin, who is enrolled at the Royal Danish Academy of Music to become a saxophone player. "Music was always part of my life growing up so it was a natural choice," he said.

His courses are free and he gets a monthly stipend of 5,839 DKK (782 euros, $1,074) in a system where class sizes are rarely limited.

The result has Denmark spending more proportionally on education than any other country in the OECD club of 34 advanced nations.

Yet biotech firms like Novozymes say they cannot find enough engineers.

http://www.businessinsider.com/free-universities-and-no-student-loan-debt-is-hurting-denmarks-economy-2014-6
How DARE a country spend more on education than on the military!!!

These people must be crazy…
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Jun 2 2016, 05:03 PM
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coverpoint
Jun 2 2016, 05:25 PM
estonianman
Jun 2 2016, 05:08 PM
Sunshine Superman
Jun 2 2016, 05:03 PM
Everyone bloviating with no facts to prove the hot air being spewed
Here's a fact - but I doubt you will consider it

Free Universities And No Student Loan Debt Is Hurting Denmark's Economy

Typical is 23-year-old Ali Badreldin, who is enrolled at the Royal Danish Academy of Music to become a saxophone player. "Music was always part of my life growing up so it was a natural choice," he said.

His courses are free and he gets a monthly stipend of 5,839 DKK (782 euros, $1,074) in a system where class sizes are rarely limited.

The result has Denmark spending more proportionally on education than any other country in the OECD club of 34 advanced nations.

Yet biotech firms like Novozymes say they cannot find enough engineers.

http://www.businessinsider.com/free-universities-and-no-student-loan-debt-is-hurting-denmarks-economy-2014-6
How DARE a country spend more on education than on the military!!!

These people must be crazy…
Well they spend more and it doesn't work - because government subsidies rarely work. They never account for changes in human behavior.

You would think all the sociology degrees would figure that out that socialism never works.

and

Subsidizing saxophone players won't do squat for society, except add people to the wagon.
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So if college was free for everyone that would mean that damn near everyone would get a degree. This will then make the degrees essentially worthless in the marketplace (exactly like HS Diplomas are today). That will force the more intelligent and hardworking students to continue on to get an advanced degree to seperate themselves from the chaff. They will do this and they will go on to make more money than those that didn't get an advanced degree...and those that didn't get an advanced degree will then demand that Graduate School be free for everyone. Rinse, repeat...
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We should spend our effort and dollars on improving K-12 education...
Donald Trump is Barack Obama's President!
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Jun 2 2016, 06:01 PM
We should spend our effort and dollars on improving K-12 education...
That will never work. You could throw the entire military budget at education and most of it would go to feed the fats pigs at the NEA and AFT.

Better to encourage charter schools and privatization, while eliminating cancerous federal standards.

The entire bricks and mortar educational system needs to change - we start by flushing the toilet.
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If all college classes were on the internet and kids would be required to take them at their parents' home, so they wouldn't have parties and other extracurricular activities, few kids would want to "go to college" and few parents would want them to..."Going to college" has many hidden agendas............. :lol:
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When leftists talk about free college - I think about how they put blacks in the ghetto in perpetual poverty, promising welfare for votes. Now that they are finished they are moving on the the college youth - hence we see the college SJW movement.
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Jun 2 2016, 04:56 PM
Free college gets you more of this:

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We spend something like $600 billion a year on "Defense" spending, much of which is spent on providing military defense for Europe and Asia, but we don't have the money to spend on giving our own population a college education.

I suppose I'm the only one who sees a problem with this...
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