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This is why the left is regressive
Topic Started: Jun 12 2016, 05:04 PM (2,265 Views)
estonianman
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lucash
Jun 13 2016, 03:44 PM
Tell me Esto, what about the white folks who do not accept the notions of acceptable behavior? Do they get tossed out as well? What about other religions which do not conform? Do you hold the same view for any and all other religions, ethnic groups, cultures, individuals, etc. that may hold 'regressive' views? Yes or no, no dancing around.

Well that depends - if they are breaking laws then there are consequences.

The Westboro Baptist Church is absolutely regressive - but at their worst they hold signs.

Again - in most of the countries in the Middle East, homosexuality is punishable by death. Western governments seem inclined to import thousands of people at a time from these places - and not as asylum seekers who reject their cultural violence. These people come here with an absolute disdain for the liberties we take for granted. What compounds the issue is that the average IQ of the Syrian refugee is 83, which means they are susceptible to violence and indoctrination. Everyone gets pissy when these people are criticized - but leftists need explain - what is the value of bringing these people here?

I am all for diversity - but when it conflicts with classical liberal values then its a problem.
Edited by estonianman, Jun 13 2016, 03:55 PM.
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and as to the point of this thread - destroying classical liberalism is a regressive act.

Why is the left committing to it?
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estonianman
Jun 12 2016, 09:11 PM
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Jun 12 2016, 08:39 PM
estonianman
Jun 12 2016, 08:36 PM

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There are a lot of elements both religious and non-religious in the world and right here in our own borders that are bigoted, sexist and racist.

Do you call them out with equal enthusiasm?

Absolutely. Do you?
What do you think I am saying in every post on this subject? :oyvey

And when exactly do you call out racists, sexists and bigots?

Feel free to use the back of your computer if you run out of room.

Now go! :popcorn:

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Jun 13 2016, 04:43 PM
estonianman
Jun 12 2016, 09:11 PM
Coast2coast
Jun 12 2016, 08:39 PM

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Absolutely. Do you?
What do you think I am saying in every post on this subject? :oyvey

And when exactly do you call out racists, sexists and bigots?

Feel free to use the back of your computer if you run out of room.

Now go! :popcorn:

This is a free country founded by sexists, racists, and bigots.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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Jun 12 2016, 10:58 PM
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Jun 12 2016, 07:39 PM
estonianman
Jun 12 2016, 07:33 PM

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So you have no point.

It shows.

Your responses are remarkably Pavlovian
Because I know that radical conservatives cannot in general express themselves when called on to do so.

So yes, I respond to the same lack of response by pointing that out.

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Jun 13 2016, 03:25 PM
CautionaryTales
Jun 13 2016, 03:23 PM
estonianman
Jun 13 2016, 02:22 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPosted ImageAnd yet, it is a minority that commits these vile actshttp://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

What's your definition of an "Assimilated Muslim"?
A Muslim that has a drink - for starters.



So they must violate their religion to be American?

And do you actually believe that alcohol consumption makes the American an American? If you don't drink, you're not an American? Tell that to my brother that doesn't drink and served this nation in uniform for thirty years.


Edited by Coast2coast, Jun 13 2016, 04:52 PM.
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Jun 13 2016, 04:51 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 03:25 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 03:23 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPosted ImageAnd yet, it is a minority that commits these vile actshttp://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
A Muslim that has a drink - for starters.



So they must violate their religion to be American?

And do you actually believe that alcohol consumption makes the American an American? If you don't drink, you're not an American? Tell that to my brother that doesn't drink and served this nation in uniform for thirty years.


Islam is incompatible with western civilization and has been at war with the West since before the first seige of Constantinople more than 1000 years ago.


You cannot be a Muslim and an American; they are mutually exclusive identities.
Edited by Harambe4Trump, Jun 13 2016, 04:54 PM.
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Jun 13 2016, 04:44 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 04:43 PM
estonianman
Jun 12 2016, 09:11 PM

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What do you think I am saying in every post on this subject? :oyvey

And when exactly do you call out racists, sexists and bigots?

Feel free to use the back of your computer if you run out of room.

Now go! :popcorn:

This is a free country founded by sexists, racists, and bigots.
Throughout the history of mankind there has always been ignorant individuals that are racists, sexists and bigots.

It doesn't take a free country to hate. It does take a country that is not free to act on it as Mr. Trump intends and you support.

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The_Edgitarian
Jun 13 2016, 04:53 PM
Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 04:51 PM
estonianman
Jun 13 2016, 03:25 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPosted ImageAnd yet, it is a minority that commits these vile actshttp://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
So they must violate their religion to be American?

And do you actually believe that alcohol consumption makes the American an American? If you don't drink, you're not an American? Tell that to my brother that doesn't drink and served this nation in uniform for thirty years.


Islam is incompatible with western civilization and has been at war with the West since before the first seige of Constantinople more than 1000 years ago.


You cannot be a Muslim and an American; they are mutually exclusive identities.
No sir, you don't get to waltz away from your comment like you are Mr. Trump.

You stated that to assimilate a person must violate their religion.

Communication is one way, you can't walk it back to oblivion. You said it, now own it.



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Jun 13 2016, 04:59 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 04:53 PM
Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 04:51 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPosted ImageAnd yet, it is a minority that commits these vile actshttp://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
Islam is incompatible with western civilization and has been at war with the West since before the first seige of Constantinople more than 1000 years ago.


You cannot be a Muslim and an American; they are mutually exclusive identities.
No sir, you don't get to waltz away from your comment like you are Mr. Trump.

You stated that to assimilate a person must violate their religion.

Communication is one way, you can't walk it back to oblivion. You said it, now own it.



No, I stated that it is mutually incompatible to a Muslim and an American. I am not Esto.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 04:56 PM
The_Edgitarian
Jun 13 2016, 04:44 PM
Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 04:43 PM

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This is a free country founded by sexists, racists, and bigots.
Throughout the history of mankind there has always been ignorant individuals that are racists, sexists and bigots.

It doesn't take a free country to hate. It does take a country that is not free to act on it as Mr. Trump intends and you support.

Do you deny that Thomas Jefferson was a racist and a bigot?
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
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The_Edgitarian
Jun 13 2016, 05:00 PM
Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 04:59 PM
The_Edgitarian
Jun 13 2016, 04:53 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPosted ImageAnd yet, it is a minority that commits these vile actshttp://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
No sir, you don't get to waltz away from your comment like you are Mr. Trump.

You stated that to assimilate a person must violate their religion.

Communication is one way, you can't walk it back to oblivion. You said it, now own it.



No, I stated that it is mutually incompatible to a Muslim and an American. I am not Esto.
You are correct, my apologies.

The prejudice you all hold tends to blend.

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The_Edgitarian
Jun 13 2016, 05:01 PM
Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 04:56 PM
The_Edgitarian
Jun 13 2016, 04:44 PM

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Throughout the history of mankind there has always been ignorant individuals that are racists, sexists and bigots.

It doesn't take a free country to hate. It does take a country that is not free to act on it as Mr. Trump intends and you support.

Do you deny that Thomas Jefferson was a racist and a bigot?
Are you attempting to justify your prejudice through the Founders of this Nation?

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Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 05:06 PM
The_Edgitarian
Jun 13 2016, 05:00 PM
Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 04:59 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPosted ImageAnd yet, it is a minority that commits these vile actshttp://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
No, I stated that it is mutually incompatible to a Muslim and an American. I am not Esto.
You are correct, my apologies.

The prejudice you all hold tends to blend.

Prejudice is the right of every American under the constitution.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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Jun 13 2016, 05:06 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 05:00 PM
Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 04:59 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPosted ImageAnd yet, it is a minority that commits these vile actshttp://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
No, I stated that it is mutually incompatible to a Muslim and an American. I am not Esto.
You are correct, my apologies.

The prejudice you all hold tends to blend.

Prejudice is the right of every American under the constitution.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
#wallsnotwars
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Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 05:07 PM
The_Edgitarian
Jun 13 2016, 05:01 PM
Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 04:56 PM

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Do you deny that Thomas Jefferson was a racist and a bigot?
Are you attempting to justify your prejudice through the Founders of this Nation?

If it was good enough for the generation of 1776, it is good enough for America.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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Jun 13 2016, 05:07 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 05:01 PM
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Do you deny that Thomas Jefferson was a racist and a bigot?
Are you attempting to justify your prejudice through the Founders of this Nation?<br /><br />
If it was good enough for the generation of 1776, it is good enough for America.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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estonianman
Jun 13 2016, 03:51 PM
lucash
Jun 13 2016, 03:44 PM
Tell me Esto, what about the white folks who do not accept the notions of acceptable behavior? Do they get tossed out as well? What about other religions which do not conform? Do you hold the same view for any and all other religions, ethnic groups, cultures, individuals, etc. that may hold 'regressive' views? Yes or no, no dancing around.

Well that depends - if they are breaking laws then there are consequences.

The Westboro Baptist Church is absolutely regressive - but at their worst they hold signs.

Again - in most of the countries in the Middle East, homosexuality is punishable by death. Western governments seem inclined to import thousands of people at a time from these places - and not as asylum seekers who reject their cultural violence. These people come here with an absolute disdain for the liberties we take for granted. What compounds the issue is that the average IQ of the Syrian refugee is 83, which means they are susceptible to violence and indoctrination. Everyone gets pissy when these people are criticized - but leftists need explain - what is the value of bringing these people here?

I am all for diversity - but when it conflicts with classical liberal values then its a problem.
Meh. It's a response at least...not a yes or no, but a response. I'll give ya that. :cheers:
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Jun 13 2016, 04:43 PM
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Jun 12 2016, 09:11 PM
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Jun 12 2016, 08:39 PM

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Absolutely. Do you?
What do you think I am saying in every post on this subject? :oyvey

And when exactly do you call out racists, sexists and bigots?

Feel free to use the back of your computer if you run out of room.

Now go! :popcorn:

Check out the opening post in this thread
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Jun 13 2016, 03:41 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 03:33 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPosted ImageAnd yet, it is a minority that commits these vile actshttp://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
So... Unassimilated Muslims are not law abiding then?
The non-drinkers?

I would say the fundamental requirement is accepting western classical liberalism which has to happen with Muslim because the cultures they are coming from are in direct conflict with it.

A pocket of isolated Swedes in Minneapolis isn't a problem - a pocket of Somalis that taunt rape threats and incite violence is.

The patriarchy (for example) is common and legislated in the middle east. In western democracies it is rejected because it is in direct conflict with our culture - that is classical liberalism.
Non drinking Muslims are mostly terrorists in your book?


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