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Laid-Off Americans, Required to Zip Lips on Way Out, Grow Bolder
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Topic Started: Jun 12 2016, 11:13 PM (1,354 Views)
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The guy with a chainsaw is the type of person our goverment is allowing into our country unabated Tik and you Lucash are trying point the finger at businesses...wtf is wrong with you two!! What are you babbling about? I support immigration laws.
I am only calling you out on your apologetic when it comes to business..don't conflate this into something that it is not.
I am not apologizing for businesses doing what they're supposed to. It is you who somehow thinks wrong is right with regards to business and right is wrong with the government. Why is this so confusing for you? So..businesses doing "what they are supposed to" is a way of absolving business of any moral hazards?
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Jun 13 2016, 11:39 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepWhat are you babbling about? I support immigration laws.
I am only calling you out on your apologetic when it comes to business..don't conflate this into something that it is not.
I am not apologizing for businesses doing what they're supposed to. It is you who somehow thinks wrong is right with regards to business and right is wrong with the government. Why is this so confusing for you? So..businesses doing "what they are supposed to" is a way of absolving business of any moral hazards?
What moral hazard specifically?
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Jun 13 2016, 11:40 PM
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The guy with a chainsaw is the type of person our goverment is allowing into our country unabated Tik and you Lucash are trying point the finger at businesses...wtf is wrong with you two!!
You do realize that there can be more than one type of bad guy, right? Just because one doesn't chop off heads doesn't mean whatever problems said 'bad guy' may cause is any less problematic or harmful. So yeah, terrorists are obviously bad, but so are unethical/immoral/inhumane (etc) businesses. Why is it one is bad, but the just fine, in your eyes?
Are you seriously trying to equate business owners that hire cheap labor to terrorists with chainsaws? Seriously? :oyvey The cartels are businesses They market products in which there is a demand for profit.
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Jun 13 2016, 11:42 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepWhat are you babbling about? I support immigration laws.
I am only calling you out on your apologetic when it comes to business..don't conflate this into something that it is not.
So..businesses doing "what they are supposed to" is a way of absolving business of any moral hazards?
What moral hazard specifically? Like bribing officials, making campaign contributions/lobbying so their interest are promoted or to maintain their market share
For every politician taking a bribe..there is a business interest paying it..but that's what they are supposed to do
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Jun 13 2016, 11:42 PM
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Are you seriously trying to equate business owners that hire cheap labor to terrorists with chainsaws? Seriously? :oyvey The cartels are businesses They market products in which there is a demand for profit. Oh, give it a rest...you damn well know the difference. Talk about conflating an issue
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Jun 13 2016, 11:48 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepWhat are you babbling about? I support immigration laws.
I am only calling you out on your apologetic when it comes to business..don't conflate this into something that it is not.So..businesses doing "what they are supposed to" is a way of absolving business of any moral hazards?
What moral hazard specifically? Like bribing officials, making campaign contributions/lobbying so their interest are promoted or to maintain their market share
For every politician taking a bribe..there is a business interest paying it..but that's what they are supposed to do Read this article and ask yourself which came first....the chicken or the egg.
Michael Kinsley: The Washington lobbying dance Bill Gates initially resisted the notion that Microsoft needed to hire a lot of lobbyists and lawyers. Ultimately, in refusing to play the Washington game, there was a feeling that Microsoft was being downright unpatriotic.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/05/opinion/la-oe-kinsley-column-microsoft-20110405
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Jun 13 2016, 11:56 PM
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The cartels are businesses They market products in which there is a demand for profit.
Oh, give it a rest...you damn well know the difference. Talk about conflating an issue How are they not businesses????
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Jun 13 2016, 11:57 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepWhat are you babbling about? I support immigration laws.
I am only calling you out on your apologetic when it comes to business..don't conflate this into something that it is not.So..businesses doing "what they are supposed to" is a way of absolving business of any moral hazards?
Like bribing officials, making campaign contributions/lobbying so their interest are promoted or to maintain their market share
For every politician taking a bribe..there is a business interest paying it..but that's what they are supposed to do
Read this article and ask yourself which came first....the chicken or the egg. Michael Kinsley: The Washington lobbying dance Bill Gates initially resisted the notion that Microsoft needed to hire a lot of lobbyists and lawyers. Ultimately, in refusing to play the Washington game, there was a feeling that Microsoft was being downright unpatriotic. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/05/opinion/la-oe-kinsley-column-microsoft-20110405 Like you, Bill Gates is blaming the gubmint for the moral failings of business.
"the gubmint made me do it!!!!!"
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Jun 14 2016, 12:02 AM
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Carly Florina's incompetence resulted in major layoffs at HP..and she got a 20 million dollar severance package.
RW has defended such packages in the past.
But if layoffs happen because greedy tech companies import low wagers from India..its the gubmints fault.
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Jun 14 2016, 12:04 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep What are you babbling about? I support immigration laws.
I am only calling you out on your apologetic when it comes to business..don't conflate this into something that it is not.So..businesses doing "what they are supposed to" is a way of absolving business of any moral hazards? Like bribing officials, making campaign contributions/lobbying so their interest are promoted or to maintain their market share
For every politician taking a bribe..there is a business interest paying it..but that's what they are supposed to do
Read this article and ask yourself which came first....the chicken or the egg. Michael Kinsley: The Washington lobbying dance Bill Gates initially resisted the notion that Microsoft needed to hire a lot of lobbyists and lawyers. Ultimately, in refusing to play the Washington game, there was a feeling that Microsoft was being downright unpatriotic. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/05/opinion/la-oe-kinsley-column-microsoft-20110405 Like you, Bill Gates is blaming the gubmint for the moral failings of business.
"the gubmint made me do it!!!!!" And Microsoft outsourced its tech support to India..depriving Americans from employment.
I suppose that's the gubmints fault as well
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Jun 14 2016, 12:05 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThe cartels are businesses They market products in which there is a demand for profit.
Oh, give it a rest...you damn well know the difference. Talk about conflating an issue How are they not businesses???? Really? How is the government not the mafia and taxes just protection money???
Should we stop with the childishness?
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThe cartels are businesses They market products in which there is a demand for profit.
How are they not businesses????
Really? How is the government not the mafia and taxes just protection money??? Should we stop with the childishness? How are they not businesses????
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep What are you babbling about? I support immigration laws.
I am only calling you out on your apologetic when it comes to business..don't conflate this into something that it is not.So..businesses doing "what they are supposed to" is a way of absolving business of any moral hazards? Like bribing officials, making campaign contributions/lobbying so their interest are promoted or to maintain their market share
For every politician taking a bribe..there is a business interest paying it..but that's what they are supposed to do
Read this article and ask yourself which came first....the chicken or the egg. Michael Kinsley: The Washington lobbying dance Bill Gates initially resisted the notion that Microsoft needed to hire a lot of lobbyists and lawyers. Ultimately, in refusing to play the Washington game, there was a feeling that Microsoft was being downright unpatriotic. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/05/opinion/la-oe-kinsley-column-microsoft-20110405 Like you, Bill Gates is blaming the gubmint for the moral failings of business.
"the gubmint made me do it!!!!!" How is it the moral failings of business if the government requires it in order to survive?
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Jun 14 2016, 12:07 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep What are you babbling about? I support immigration laws.
I am only calling you out on your apologetic when it comes to business..don't conflate this into something that it is not.So..businesses doing "what they are supposed to" is a way of absolving business of any moral hazards? Like bribing officials, making campaign contributions/lobbying so their interest are promoted or to maintain their market share
For every politician taking a bribe..there is a business interest paying it..but that's what they are supposed to do http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/05/opinion/la-oe-kinsley-column-microsoft-20110405 Like you, Bill Gates is blaming the gubmint for the moral failings of business.
"the gubmint made me do it!!!!!"
How is it the moral failings of business if the government requires it in order to survive? What if companies need low wage immigrants to survive?
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Jun 14 2016, 12:13 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThe cartels are businesses They market products in which there is a demand for profit. How are they not businesses????
Really? How is the government not the mafia and taxes just protection money??? Should we stop with the childishness? How are they not businesses???? Good business is where you find it

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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep What are you babbling about? I support immigration laws.
I am only calling you out on your apologetic when it comes to business..don't conflate this into something that it is not.So..businesses doing "what they are supposed to" is a way of absolving business of any moral hazards? Like bribing officials, making campaign contributions/lobbying so their interest are promoted or to maintain their market share
For every politician taking a bribe..there is a business interest paying it..but that's what they are supposed to do http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/05/opinion/la-oe-kinsley-column-microsoft-20110405Like you, Bill Gates is blaming the gubmint for the moral failings of business.
"the gubmint made me do it!!!!!"
How is it the moral failings of business if the government requires it in order to survive? What if companies need low wage immigrants to survive? Oh, so now you're defending the businesses?
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Jun 14 2016, 01:00 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep What are you babbling about? I support immigration laws.
I am only calling you out on your apologetic when it comes to business..don't conflate this into something that it is not.So..businesses doing "what they are supposed to" is a way of absolving business of any moral hazards? Like bribing officials, making campaign contributions/lobbying so their interest are promoted or to maintain their market share
For every politician taking a bribe..there is a business interest paying it..but that's what they are supposed to do http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/05/opinion/la-oe-kinsley-column-microsoft-20110405Like you, Bill Gates is blaming the gubmint for the moral failings of business.
"the gubmint made me do it!!!!!" What if companies need low wage immigrants to survive?
Oh, so now you're defending the businesses? nope..I am turning your argument in on itself.
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All I hear from the left so far is the private sector's fault. Drudgex LOVES the private sector...he gets to post here all day while on clock at the business he works for. Multi-tasking comrade. I use that excuse with my boss lots of time. He always gave me the roll eyes look though.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep What are you babbling about? I support immigration laws.
I am only calling you out on your apologetic when it comes to business..don't conflate this into something that it is not.So..businesses doing "what they are supposed to" is a way of absolving business of any moral hazards? Like bribing officials, making campaign contributions/lobbying so their interest are promoted or to maintain their market share
For every politician taking a bribe..there is a business interest paying it..but that's what they are supposed to do http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/05/opinion/la-oe-kinsley-column-microsoft-20110405Like you, Bill Gates is blaming the gubmint for the moral failings of business.
"the gubmint made me do it!!!!!"What if companies need low wage immigrants to survive?
Oh, so now you're defending the businesses? nope..I am turning your argument in on itself. And it might have worked if big business, especially big tech businesses were barely making a living...but that's not the case...they're making record profits while replacing American tech engineers with low cost Indian H1B Visa holders. Same goes for big agribusinesses and migrant labor. Disney etc...
Do you think Disney needs cheap labor to survive?
How do you think the rich are widening the gap between themselves and the rest of us so rapidly? They're exporting the jobs that can be exported, and for the jobs that can't be exported they're importing cheap labor as much as the law will allow....all while developing robots to do the rest...and our government...you know...the one that's supposed to be looking out for us is enabling all of it, even promoting some of it. Granted I don't think the government can do much about outsourcing and automation but it sure as hell can protect jobs that cannot be exported or automated from being taken by foreigners...legal or otherwise.
You support unions Tik, how is what I'm asking for any different than a Union Shop protecting jobs for its own?
Just so you know why I feel this way, I worked on a construction crew in college and I saw the entire crew of hard working Citizens get replaced with illegal alien workers (at 1/2 the price). Predictably, the owner of the company went from having one nice home to having two gigantic palaces...one on the lake and the other on the ocean. Luckily I was in college and had another career ahead of me...some of the guys I worked with however are still having a hard time piecing their lives back together.
I believe in controlled immigration Tik...not a wide open door that only leads to higher unemployment, wage decline, non-assimilation and balkanization.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep What are you babbling about? I support immigration laws.
I am only calling you out on your apologetic when it comes to business..don't conflate this into something that it is not.So..businesses doing "what they are supposed to" is a way of absolving business of any moral hazards? Like bribing officials, making campaign contributions/lobbying so their interest are promoted or to maintain their market share
For every politician taking a bribe..there is a business interest paying it..but that's what they are supposed to do http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/05/opinion/la-oe-kinsley-column-microsoft-20110405Like you, Bill Gates is blaming the gubmint for the moral failings of business.
"the gubmint made me do it!!!!!"What if companies need low wage immigrants to survive? nope..I am turning your argument in on itself.
And it might have worked if big business, especially big tech businesses were barely making a living...but that's not the case...they're making record profits while replacing American tech engineers with low cost Indian H1B Visa holders. Same goes for big agribusinesses and migrant labor. Disney etc... Do you think Disney needs cheap labor to survive? How do you think the rich are widening the gap between themselves and the rest of us so rapidly? They're exporting the jobs that can be exported, and for the jobs that can't be exported they're importing cheap labor as much as the law will allow....all while developing robots to do the rest...and our government...you know...the one that's supposed to be looking out for us is enabling all of it, even promoting some of it. Granted I don't think the government can do much about outsourcing and automation but it sure as hell can protect jobs that cannot be exported or automated from being taken by foreigners...legal or otherwise. You support unions Tik, how is what I'm asking for any different than a Union Shop protecting jobs for its own? Just so you know why I feel this way, I worked on a construction crew in college and I saw the entire crew of hard working Citizens get replaced with illegal alien workers (at 1/2 the price). Predictably, the owner of the company went from having one nice home to having two gigantic palaces...one on the lake and the other on the ocean. Luckily I was in college and had another career ahead of me...some of the guys I worked with however are still having a hard time piecing their lives back together. I believe in controlled immigration Tik...not a wide open door that only leads to higher unemployment, wage decline, non-assimilation and balkanization. I am not arguing against your position on immigration..I am addressing your pro business bias in terms of ethics and morality.
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