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British voters ‘ignorant’ about Brexit thanks to misinformation, new poll finds
Topic Started: Jun 13 2016, 03:39 AM (782 Views)
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The British public has misguided perceptions of the European Union including immigration, which in turn leads to “ignorance” about the upcoming Brexit referendum later this month, a new survey suggests.
A thousand people surveyed this week believe citizens from other EU countries make up 15 percent of the UK population, when in reality it’s just five percent, according to market research firm Ipsos MORI.

The respondents also have wildly different perceptions of the financial benefits and costs of EU membership.

For instance, 14 percent “massively” overestimated how much Child Benefit money went to families in other European countries, believing that it’s 30 percent instead of just 0.3 percent.

https://www.rt.com/uk/346342-brexit-voters-ignorance-misinformation/
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Professor Anand Menon, the study’s co-author and director of UK in a Changing Europe, says “ignorance” is the main reason for the misinformed attitudes.
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:lol: Ignorant zombies, it seems, right, Stef? :)
just imagine, if a EU country citizens are so ignorant and biased on the EU, I am just afraid to guess how far from reality their perseption on Russia is.. and what role your zombo-press played in it..
Edited by Siberian, Jun 13 2016, 03:54 AM.
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And Stef, Jar etc, it's such a pleasure when you have no other option but admit I am right but instead you will just post something negative about Russia, because you know I am right and are too weak to admit it, trying to have some revenge. No problem, it's enough that we all know it, how you indicate it doesn't really matter. :lol:
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Ipsos is a for profit French marketing research corporation....Who paid Ipsos for this research report ???................. :oyvey
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Most people don't know the details of most issues and most people make decisions based on their prejudices and to fit into their tribe. This isn't too surprising.
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Scim
Jun 13 2016, 01:03 PM
Most people don't know the details of most issues and most people make decisions based on their prejudices and to fit into their tribe. This isn't too surprising.
Hey Scim whats your thoughts on Brexit?
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Jun 13 2016, 02:25 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 01:03 PM
Most people don't know the details of most issues and most people make decisions based on their prejudices and to fit into their tribe. This isn't too surprising.
Hey Scim whats your thoughts on Brexit?
I'm currently going to vote "remain".

Losing control of some laws is a big cost and for some that's enough reason to leave. I respect that. But most of the laws are just things we'd do anyway and the rules that people hate the most tend to be either made up by the Daily Mail or are actually good things. I think the anti-immigration argument is bogus because EU immigrants work hard and fit in pretty easily, and we need all the hard workers we can get to pay the massive pension bill the last generation promised themselves while spending all the tax money, deciding to make us pay more for our education and just generally xxxxing us over instead of xxxxing each other to make babies who'd then work to pay for their pensions.

Also, leaving is the sort of thing Putin wants to see, which is always a hint that it's a bad idea. I worry about oetting Turkey in though, Erdogan is an enemy of freedom.

What would you do?
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Jun 13 2016, 11:50 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 02:25 PM
Scim
Jun 13 2016, 01:03 PM
Most people don't know the details of most issues and most people make decisions based on their prejudices and to fit into their tribe. This isn't too surprising.
Hey Scim whats your thoughts on Brexit?
I'm currently going to vote "remain".

Losing control of some laws is a big cost and for some that's enough reason to leave. I respect that. But most of the laws are just things we'd do anyway and the rules that people hate the most tend to be either made up by the Daily Mail or are actually good things. I think the anti-immigration argument is bogus because EU immigrants work hard and fit in pretty easily, and we need all the hard workers we can get to pay the massive pension bill the last generation promised themselves while spending all the tax money, deciding to make us pay more for our education and just generally xxxxing us over instead of xxxxing each other to make babies who'd then work to pay for their pensions.

Also, leaving is the sort of thing Putin wants to see, which is always a hint that it's a bad idea. I worry about oetting Turkey in though, Erdogan is an enemy of freedom.

What would you do?
Not living in Estonia anymore - an outsider to the EU living in the US.

I guess the only question I would ask is why the only sovereign nations left in the EU are the richest.
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Jun 13 2016, 11:56 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 11:50 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 02:25 PM

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I'm currently going to vote "remain".

Losing control of some laws is a big cost and for some that's enough reason to leave. I respect that. But most of the laws are just things we'd do anyway and the rules that people hate the most tend to be either made up by the Daily Mail or are actually good things. I think the anti-immigration argument is bogus because EU immigrants work hard and fit in pretty easily, and we need all the hard workers we can get to pay the massive pension bill the last generation promised themselves while spending all the tax money, deciding to make us pay more for our education and just generally xxxxing us over instead of xxxxing each other to make babies who'd then work to pay for their pensions.

Also, leaving is the sort of thing Putin wants to see, which is always a hint that it's a bad idea. I worry about oetting Turkey in though, Erdogan is an enemy of freedom.

What would you do?
Not living in Estonia anymore - an outsider to the EU living in the US.

I guess the only question I would ask is why the only sovereign nations left in the EU are the richest.
There are no sovereign nations left in the EU, even if we don't take into account the US while its share in desision making in the EU is over 50%.
Isn't it funny?

EU consists mostly from small states, any of which can be easilly pressed by the US into taking nesessary position. The big ones can also be pressed but with a little bit bigger effort. While decisions are taken in the EU via consensus, not even taking in account countries' shares in EU economy or population. The US effectively has double, triple, hypercontrol of the EU. While the EU is bigger than the US. funny :)
Edited by Siberian, Jun 14 2016, 03:44 AM.
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Jun 14 2016, 03:42 AM
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Jun 13 2016, 11:56 PM
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Not living in Estonia anymore - an outsider to the EU living in the US.

I guess the only question I would ask is why the only sovereign nations left in the EU are the richest.
There are no sovereign nations left in the EU, even if we don't take into account the US while its share in desision making in the EU is over 50%.
Isn't it funny?

EU consists mostly from small states, any of which can be easilly pressed by the US into taking nesessary position. The big ones can also be pressed but with a little bit bigger effort. While decisions are taken in the EU via consensus, not even taking in account countries' shares in EU economy or population. The US effectively has double, triple, hypercontrol of the EU. While the EU is bigger than the US. funny :)
I refuse to accept any responsibility for what those crazy bastards in Europe do............... ;)
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The EU must die.
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Jun 13 2016, 11:50 PM
estonianman
Jun 13 2016, 02:25 PM
Scim
Jun 13 2016, 01:03 PM
Most people don't know the details of most issues and most people make decisions based on their prejudices and to fit into their tribe. This isn't too surprising.
Hey Scim whats your thoughts on Brexit?
I'm currently going to vote "remain".

Losing control of some laws is a big cost and for some that's enough reason to leave. I respect that. But most of the laws are just things we'd do anyway and the rules that people hate the most tend to be either made up by the Daily Mail or are actually good things. I think the anti-immigration argument is bogus because EU immigrants work hard and fit in pretty easily, and we need all the hard workers we can get to pay the massive pension bill the last generation promised themselves while spending all the tax money, deciding to make us pay more for our education and just generally xxxxing us over instead of xxxxing each other to make babies who'd then work to pay for their pensions.

Also, leaving is the sort of thing Putin wants to see, which is always a hint that it's a bad idea. I worry about oetting Turkey in though, Erdogan is an enemy of freedom.

What would you do?
"I'm currently going to vote "remain"."

Well you're a very stupid person, so that would explain it. Nothing personal.
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Jun 14 2016, 03:42 AM
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Jun 13 2016, 11:56 PM
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Not living in Estonia anymore - an outsider to the EU living in the US.

I guess the only question I would ask is why the only sovereign nations left in the EU are the richest.
There are no sovereign nations left in the EU, even if we don't take into account the US while its share in desision making in the EU is over 50%.
Isn't it funny?

EU consists mostly from small states, any of which can be easilly pressed by the US into taking nesessary position. The big ones can also be pressed but with a little bit bigger effort. While decisions are taken in the EU via consensus, not even taking in account countries' shares in EU economy or population. The US effectively has double, triple, hypercontrol of the EU. While the EU is bigger than the US. funny :)
Actually I mistyped - I meant to say the sovereign nations around the EU, but not in the EU. Referring to Norway, Luxembourg and the Swiss.
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Jun 14 2016, 11:27 AM
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Jun 14 2016, 03:42 AM
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Jun 13 2016, 11:56 PM

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There are no sovereign nations left in the EU, even if we don't take into account the US while its share in desision making in the EU is over 50%.
Isn't it funny?

EU consists mostly from small states, any of which can be easilly pressed by the US into taking nesessary position. The big ones can also be pressed but with a little bit bigger effort. While decisions are taken in the EU via consensus, not even taking in account countries' shares in EU economy or population. The US effectively has double, triple, hypercontrol of the EU. While the EU is bigger than the US. funny :)
Actually I mistyped - I meant to say the sovereign nations around the EU, but not in the EU. Referring to Norway, Luxembourg and the Swiss.
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Jun 13 2016, 03:39 AM
The British public has misguided perceptions of the European Union including immigration, which in turn leads to “ignorance” about the upcoming Brexit referendum later this month, a new survey suggests.
A thousand people surveyed this week believe citizens from other EU countries make up 15 percent of the UK population, when in reality it’s just five percent, according to market research firm Ipsos MORI.

The respondents also have wildly different perceptions of the financial benefits and costs of EU membership.

For instance, 14 percent “massively” overestimated how much Child Benefit money went to families in other European countries, believing that it’s 30 percent instead of just 0.3 percent.

https://www.rt.com/uk/346342-brexit-voters-ignorance-misinformation/
A lot of voters are ignorant about remaining too.

They think if only we stay in we could help to reform the EU, that we should continue to 'co-operate' with our partners, not knowing that EU states are treaty bound to implement EU policies, regardless of what their own parliaments think.

Even when EU supporters do tell the truth, they often are not believed. They've told too many lies in the past, and the scaremongering from them is now beyond a joke.



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Polls show increasing support for Brexit; Murdoch's Sun backs 'Leave'
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Britain's "Leave" campaign opened up a 7-point lead over "Remain" ahead of a referendum on membership of the European Union an opinion poll showed late Monday, while the nation's biggest-selling newspaper urged readers to vote to quit the bloc.

The result of the June 23 referendum will have far-reaching consequences for politics, the economy, defense, migration and diplomacy in Britain and elsewhere.
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Branded merchandise is seen in the office of pro-Brexit group pressure group "Leave.eu" in London, Britain February 12, 2016. REUTERS/Neil Hall
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Also, leaving is the sort of thing Putin wants to see, which is always a hint that it's a bad idea.



In Russia we have a proverb - to spite my mom I'll freeze my ears off.. :lol:
Of course dis-united Europe will be a better place for Russia too, because economic reasons and especially strong economic reasons are the only ones which can make Europeans act as not American slaves and for example Greece, Bulgaria or Germany will prefer to have Russian gas via various Streams going not via Ukraine rather than to please some Poland or the US and freeze their butts without it or pay twofold for the American LNG .
But who cares actually. The fact is that zombo-wave has already started to decline. Europeans see that very few benefit from the EU while most loose more than get.
Besides, this very topic repeats exactly what we had in USSR. In USSR most republics were living beter than Russia due to heavy subsidizing them from the Central budget, which was filled by Russia mostly. While every minority or republuc thought that they feed Russia, that they give more than get. It was the main reason some wanted to break away. Ukraine lived 1/4-1/3 better than Russia, Georgia, you may not believe me, but Georgian meant rich in USSR, all anecdotes in my Soviet childhood which were related to Georgians were about Georgians and money. Now 1/3 of Georgians are working in Russia as bus and taxi drivers, Ukraine is 1/2 poorer than Russia, 1/4 of Ukrainian labor force works in Russia, another 1/4 - in Europe. Most labor force of Central Asian republics works in Russia. Estonians etc. might work here too if did not have EU membership, so 1/3 of all Estonians moved to the West, Baltic republics are depopulated as after a big war, while in USSR their population grew.
I mean during economic decline everybody blames each other but not himself. And if Europe was united by a dream, a false dream, a utopia I have to say - now it started to dusintegrate under pressure of unfulfilled dreams, because maximum Europe can get even with al its crazy money printing is stagnation. And economic collapse is still ahead.. The EU is simply doomed, they have no other option at al but to disintegrate - or to keep everybody by force - as Russia did to Chechnya for example. The pendulum stoped and now started its way back, our generation will see Great crush of Europe, next generation or 2 will consider any unification as nothing but greatest disaster.
I am a little pessimistic in general, regarding the World economy, the World, thinking the worst events of recent ongoing economic crisis being still ahead, but I am absolutely certain about our common fate, including Russia, everybody will be hit hard, but it pleases me that you will loose more since you have more and benefit the most now.
It's not wishful thinking, I am trying to keep a sober approach.
But I predicted EU dudintegration , if I remember correctly - in 2007 in this forum, we even had bets with some Eurosnob, if I remember correctly.
So even if Britts vote for remaining - the EU is doomed anyway, it's a course of history, what cannot live will not live. The EU is born dead from the very beginning, the very concept is false, there cannot be united obligations without united rights, you either create a single state with comon currency, taxes, social benefits and life standards which is an utopia in Europe, or keep everything separately.
Edited by Siberian, Jun 15 2016, 02:25 AM.
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Stef, the proper word about professionalism and non-propagandist approach of Western media - it happens.

http://unitedstates.com/topic/8463923/1/#new
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