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What if the club owner was allowed to keep guns on the premise?
Topic Started: Jun 13 2016, 07:58 PM (1,099 Views)
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The number of deaths and injured would not be in triple digits or even high double digits.
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Mr. Tik
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There was an armed police officer working for the nightclub and immediately engaged the shooter

You may move your goalpost now.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/12/us/what-happened-at-the-orlando-nightclub-shooting.html?_r=0
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Coast2coast

He engaged an armed off duty officer so your point is moot.

What would have likely lessened the number killed and wounded would be if the Brady Bill was still intact preventing him from obtaining an AR-15 with extended magazines.

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Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 08:23 PM
He engaged an armed off duty officer so your point is moot.

What would have likely lessened the number killed and wounded would be if the Brady Bill was still intact preventing him from obtaining an AR-15 with extended magazines.

That isn't an option.
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Most people think getting into a shootout is easy. Just buy a gun and you are safe but the reality is much different. Read accounts by policemen who have been involved in shootouts, they will tell you they were not prepared. These are trained officers.

Unless the club owner is ex-special forces or police arming them would not have much of a impact, unless they got really lucky.
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The_Edgitarian
Jun 13 2016, 08:24 PM
Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 08:23 PM
He engaged an armed off duty officer so your point is moot.

What would have likely lessened the number killed and wounded would be if the Brady Bill was still intact preventing him from obtaining an AR-15 with extended magazines.

That isn't an option.
Yes it is and it needs to happen.

Newton, Aurora, Colo. - the AR-15 is the murdering weapon of choice.

It's not an option not to or accept the blood of the next mass murder using one.







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BuckFan
Jun 13 2016, 08:28 PM
Most people think getting into a shootout is easy. Just buy a gun and you are safe but the reality is much different. Read accounts by policemen who have been involved in shootouts, they will tell you they were not prepared. These are trained officers.

Unless the club owner is ex-special forces or police arming them would not have much of a impact, unless they got really lucky.
Irrelevant. Effete self-loathing white progs such as yourself aren't touching the guns of red-blooded Americans.
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Coast2coast

An AR-15 obviously makes you feel manly regardless of the false reality of it.

From the children of Newtown and before to this shooting in Orlando and the others that will come the blood of those innocent victims is on the hands of those that fail to act when they can, or what you falsely call "red blooded Americans".








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Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 08:44 PM
An AR-15 obviously makes you feel manly regardless of the false reality of it.

From the children of Newtown and before to this shooting in Orlando and the others that will come the blood of those innocent victims is on the hands of those that fail to act when they can, or what you falsely call "red blooded Americans".








That screeching won't get your gun grabbing through the Senate.
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Jun 13 2016, 08:45 PM
Coast2coast
Jun 13 2016, 08:44 PM
An AR-15 obviously makes you feel manly regardless of the false reality of it.

From the children of Newtown and before to this shooting in Orlando and the others that will come the blood of those innocent victims is on the hands of those that fail to act when they can, or what you falsely call "red blooded Americans".








That screeching won't get your gun grabbing through the Senate.
True. All those dead children did not move conservatives like yourself to do the right thing when they could, so why would the death of 49 innocent people in a Gay Night Club do it.

But the Brady Bill passed once and its resurrection some day soon will place common sense and responsibility before irresponsibility and stupidity again.






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Adolph Hipster
Jun 13 2016, 08:04 PM
There was an armed police officer working for the nightclub and immediately engaged the shooter

You may move your goalpost now.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/12/us/what-happened-at-the-orlando-nightclub-shooting.html?_r=0
Love that article. Something isn't right. Immediate gun battle between two people yet has was able to kill 50.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Jun 13 2016, 09:41 PM
Adolph Hipster
Jun 13 2016, 08:04 PM
There was an armed police officer working for the nightclub and immediately engaged the shooter

You may move your goalpost now.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/12/us/what-happened-at-the-orlando-nightclub-shooting.html?_r=0
Love that article. Something isn't right. Immediate gun battle between two people yet has was able to kill 50.
So..you are an expert in gunfights :rollseyes:

Nice goalpost move BTW

Dark, crowded club..loud music..chaos..one shooter wanting to kill all he can
the other shooter not wanting to hurt anyone but the shooter
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Drunk people and weapons should not be in the same place.
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Adolph Hipster
Jun 13 2016, 09:44 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 09:41 PM
Adolph Hipster
Jun 13 2016, 08:04 PM
There was an armed police officer working for the nightclub and immediately engaged the shooter

You may move your goalpost now.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/12/us/what-happened-at-the-orlando-nightclub-shooting.html?_r=0
Love that article. Something isn't right. Immediate gun battle between two people yet has was able to kill 50.
So..you are an expert in gunfights :rollseyes:

Nice goalpost move BTW

Dark, crowded club..loud music..chaos..one shooter wanting to kill all he can
the other shooter not wanting to hurt anyone but the shooter
Omar's odds would be poor if he tried to shoot up a crowded redneck bar...Omar would be quickly gunned down by about 30 drunken rednecks who CCW, plus don't like Muslims and gun rules to begin with...Omar picked a bar with liberal customers who think icky guns should be controlled...There are consequences to the choices you make in life...I also doubt that an attacking terrorist will be cooperative if ordered to step through a metal detector............... :oyvey
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Jun 13 2016, 10:31 PM
Drunk people and weapons should not be in the same place.
So, there were roughly 300 people in this club. Let's say, for the sake of discussion, 75 of them had come to the club armed. A crowded club, people dancing, lots of loud music, alcohol flowing, judgment being impaired. Suddenly, there is a flash and boom, someone is shot dead. All 75 of the armed people draw their guns in response and point their weapons in the general direction of the original shot. But most of them didn't see who fired. A few, however, did, and they open fire. Those who didn't, now see several other people firing guns, what are they likely to do? I would think they might open fire on those they see firing, assuming that they must be part of the attack. And pretty soon you have people shooting wildly all over the place, at each other, at innocent bystanders they mistake as active shooters, at pretty much anything that moves.

I'm not seeing how this ends well, at all.
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Jun 13 2016, 11:01 PM
Ronin
Jun 13 2016, 10:31 PM
Drunk people and weapons should not be in the same place.
So, there were roughly 300 people in this club. Let's say, for the sake of discussion, 75 of them had come to the club armed. A crowded club, people dancing, lots of loud music, alcohol flowing, judgment being impaired. Suddenly, there is a flash and boom, someone is shot dead. All 75 of the armed people draw their guns in response and point their weapons in the general direction of the original shot. But most of them didn't see who fired. A few, however, did, and they open fire. Those who didn't, now see several other people firing guns, what are they likely to do? I would think they might open fire on those they see firing, assuming that they must be part of the attack. And pretty soon you have people shooting wildly all over the place, at each other, at innocent bystanders they mistake as active shooters, at pretty much anything that moves.

I'm not seeing how this ends well, at all.
For self preservation in a dark bar, shoot at the gun flashes, or at the guy with an assault rifle and is shouting Allah'u'Akbar.......... :victory:
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Jun 13 2016, 10:57 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 09:44 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 09:41 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThere was an armed police officer working for the nightclub and immediately engaged the shooter

You may move your goalpost now.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/12/us/what-happened-at-the-orlando-nightclub-shooting.html?_r=0
So..you are an expert in gunfights :rollseyes:

Nice goalpost move BTW

Dark, crowded club..loud music..chaos..one shooter wanting to kill all he can
the other shooter not wanting to hurt anyone but the shooter
Omar's odds would be poor if he tried to shoot up a crowded redneck bar...Omar would be quickly gunned down by about 30 drunken rednecks who CCW, plus don't like Muslims and gun rules to begin with...Omar picked a bar with liberal customers who think icky guns should be controlled...There are consequences to the choices you make in life...I also doubt that an attacking terrorist will be cooperative if ordered to step through a metal detector............... :oyvey
that many drunk rednecks armed? Shhhheeeeiiiit!..there would even be a higher body count.
Edited by Mr. Tik, Jun 13 2016, 11:20 PM.
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Adolph Hipster
Jun 13 2016, 11:20 PM
Robert Stout
Jun 13 2016, 10:57 PM
Adolph Hipster
Jun 13 2016, 09:44 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThere was an armed police officer working for the nightclub and immediately engaged the shooter

You may move your goalpost now.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/12/us/what-happened-at-the-orlando-nightclub-shooting.html?_r=0So..you are an expert in gunfights :rollseyes:

Nice goalpost move BTW

Dark, crowded club..loud music..chaos..one shooter wanting to kill all he can
the other shooter not wanting to hurt anyone but the shooter
Omar's odds would be poor if he tried to shoot up a crowded redneck bar...Omar would be quickly gunned down by about 30 drunken rednecks who CCW, plus don't like Muslims and gun rules to begin with...Omar picked a bar with liberal customers who think icky guns should be controlled...There are consequences to the choices you make in life...I also doubt that an attacking terrorist will be cooperative if ordered to step through a metal detector............... :oyvey
that many drunk rednecks armed? Shhhheeeeiiiit!..there would even be a higher body count.
At least the SWAT team could stay in bed........... :dunno:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Jun 13 2016, 07:58 PM
The number of deaths and injured would not be in triple digits or even high double digits.
"What if the club owner was allowed to keep guns on the premise," you ask. Hmmm. well taking into account that being "trigger happy" and "shooting up the wrong guy" is in your national genes, then the bar owner would probably have taken out just as many clients as the attacker and even more would have been killed.

I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that my post-prolific friend DX hasn't tumbled on the fact that if the assailant hadn't been able to acquire an assault rifle - which he had probably obtained free, as a gift, for having filled up with a full tank of gas or had borrowed it from his adolescent daughter (i.e., her Christmas present) - then there would have been far fewer casualties.

I think that it would be conducive to clarity of thought if you would just accept - just for once - that as a nation you are crazier than a bag full of frogs. I mean, anybody that could come up with: the best thing to counter gun deaths is to have more guns, is undoubtedly (before the eyes of the sane at least) a sandwich short of a picnic; firing on five cylinders and howling at the moon.

Yes, yes, I know... you consider that it is your and your prepubescent offsprings' Constitutional Right to own a Sherman tank, flame thrower, grenade launcher and to mow down with throbbing exaltation anybody that is gay or doesn't go to church on Sundays - after all if you don't tremble at the knees as you scream "Praise the Lord" from a church pew then you are obviously a commie

Even more puzzling is the fact that your Republican candidate wants to ban Muslims from entering the country... Remind me again why the Pilgrim Fathers emigrated to the New World? :oyvey

*Sigh!* Good old Perspectives - the cyberland of the free (from reality)

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