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What if the club owner was allowed to keep guns on the premise?
Topic Started: Jun 13 2016, 07:58 PM (1,102 Views)
Hughmac

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Jun 13 2016, 11:01 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 10:31 PM
Drunk people and weapons should not be in the same place.
So, there were roughly 300 people in this club. Let's say, for the sake of discussion, 75 of them had come to the club armed. A crowded club, people dancing, lots of loud music, alcohol flowing, judgment being impaired. Suddenly, there is a flash and boom, someone is shot dead. All 75 of the armed people draw their guns in response and point their weapons in the general direction of the original shot. But most of them didn't see who fired. A few, however, did, and they open fire. Those who didn't, now see several other people firing guns, what are they likely to do? I would think they might open fire on those they see firing, assuming that they must be part of the attack. And pretty soon you have people shooting wildly all over the place, at each other, at innocent bystanders they mistake as active shooters, at pretty much anything that moves.

I'm not seeing how this ends well, at all.
now THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is an American I wish were more abundant in numbers in your country. There is hope for the United States of America as long as people like Mr O outnumber the likes of Mr DX and thus keep lunatics like Bush and Trump from the controls of your geographically blessed country.

Good post, Mr O!

Cheers
Hughmac :usa:
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Paris had the toughest gun laws in the world, yet that team of attacking Jihadist managed to smuggle in AK 47s into France. It's a goddamned GLOBAL Jihad with international networks (get a clue).

You can outlaw "assault" rifles tomorrow and you will just create an underground black market. The Mexican Cartes will just move into the gun smuggling market...With 300,000,000 guns already out there, it will take 20 years to round them all up...


The Orlando shooter Omar Mateen was a private security officer who worked for a firm that provides security to federal buildings, airports and nuclear plants. He’d been background checked multiple times leading up to Sunday’s shooting as a professional requirement, and he’d been background checked again when he purchased his firearms legally.

Nidal Hasan, was U.S. Army major (Fort Hood)
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Hughmac
Jun 14 2016, 05:13 AM
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Jun 13 2016, 11:01 PM
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Jun 13 2016, 10:31 PM
Drunk people and weapons should not be in the same place.
So, there were roughly 300 people in this club. Let's say, for the sake of discussion, 75 of them had come to the club armed. A crowded club, people dancing, lots of loud music, alcohol flowing, judgment being impaired. Suddenly, there is a flash and boom, someone is shot dead. All 75 of the armed people draw their guns in response and point their weapons in the general direction of the original shot. But most of them didn't see who fired. A few, however, did, and they open fire. Those who didn't, now see several other people firing guns, what are they likely to do? I would think they might open fire on those they see firing, assuming that they must be part of the attack. And pretty soon you have people shooting wildly all over the place, at each other, at innocent bystanders they mistake as active shooters, at pretty much anything that moves.

I'm not seeing how this ends well, at all.
now THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is an American I wish were more abundant in numbers in your country. There is hope for the United States of America as long as people like Mr O outnumber the likes of Mr DX and thus keep lunatics like Bush and Trump from the controls of your geographically blessed country.

Good post, Mr O!

Cheers
Hughmac :usa:
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Jun 14 2016, 07:54 AM
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now THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is an American I wish were more abundant in numbers in your country. There is hope for the United States of America as long as people like Mr O outnumber the likes of Mr DX and thus keep lunatics like Bush and Trump from the controls of your geographically blessed country.

Good post, Mr O!

Cheers
Hughmac :usa:
In England, the terrorist simply ran over the British soldiers and then used knives and a meat clever...

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And managed to kill two people.

Seems better than 50 killed and 45 wounded. But then, that's just me. Maybe to you two dead is equal to 50 dead. Because that seems to be the argument.
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Here we have a former Navy SEAL discussing this issue: pay attention at 7:00 minutes in


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB2vIa6jl1Y
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Jun 14 2016, 08:18 AM
Here we have a former Navy SEAL discussing this issue: pay attention at 7:00 minutes in


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB2vIa6jl1Y
Being a former Navy Seal makes you well informed on how to use firearms, survive in difficult situations, and how to swim. It gives you no particular qualifications for anything else.

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This is the point when somebody is supposed to claim that a person with a concealed carry permit would have pulled their little 380 with the 1 1/2 in barrel out of their pocket and challenged the guy with body armor and a semi-automatic assault weapon to a shoot out, and won.
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now THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is an American I wish were more abundant in numbers in your country. There is hope for the United States of America as long as people like Mr O outnumber the likes of Mr DX and thus keep lunatics like Bush and Trump from the controls of your geographically blessed country.

Good post, Mr O!

Cheers
Hughmac :usa:
In England, the terrorist simply ran over the British soldiers and then used knives and a meat clever...

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Guns, easy to get in the USA would have made their killing spree far more efficient.


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In England, the terrorist simply ran over the British soldiers and then used knives and a meat clever...

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Guns, easy to get in the USA would have made their killing spree far more efficient.
Didn't work in the Bataclan.
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Gun-free zones are magnets for hate.

"Since at least 1950, with two exceptions, all the multiple victim public shootings in the US in which more than three people have been killed have taken place where guns are banned."

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In England, the terrorist simply ran over the British soldiers and then used knives and a meat clever...

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Guns, easy to get in the USA would have made their killing spree far more efficient.
Automobiles are much much easier to get.
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In England, the terrorist simply ran over the British soldiers and then used knives and a meat clever...

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And managed to kill two people.

Seems better than 50 killed and 45 wounded. But then, that's just me. Maybe to you two dead is equal to 50 dead. Because that seems to be the argument.
So it's a numbers game to you?


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Drunk people and weapons should not be in the same place.
So, there were roughly 300 people in this club. Let's say, for the sake of discussion, 75 of them had come to the club armed. A crowded club, people dancing, lots of loud music, alcohol flowing, judgment being impaired. Suddenly, there is a flash and boom, someone is shot dead. All 75 of the armed people draw their guns in response and point their weapons in the general direction of the original shot. But most of them didn't see who fired. A few, however, did, and they open fire. Those who didn't, now see several other people firing guns, what are they likely to do? I would think they might open fire on those they see firing, assuming that they must be part of the attack. And pretty soon you have people shooting wildly all over the place, at each other, at innocent bystanders they mistake as active shooters, at pretty much anything that moves.

I'm not seeing how this ends well, at all.
now THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is an American I wish were more abundant in numbers in your country. There is hope for the United States of America as long as people like Mr O outnumber the likes of Mr DX and thus keep lunatics like Bush and Trump from the controls of your geographically blessed country.

Good post, Mr O!

Cheers
Hughmac :usa:
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And managed to kill two people.

Seems better than 50 killed and 45 wounded. But then, that's just me. Maybe to you two dead is equal to 50 dead. Because that seems to be the argument.
So it's a numbers game to you?


Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world. Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5; Yerushalmi Talmud 4:9, Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 37a.
Yes, it's pretty much a numbers game. There are always going to be people who want to kill other people for all sorts of reasons. Some end up justifying their hatred and violence through religion. Some don't bother. Some it's because they're mentally unstable. With others it's because of their own inadequacies and a need to compensate. In the end, the motivation doesn't matter as much as the deeds themselves.

Guns were invented for one reason and one reason only, to make killing easier and faster. If machetes did the job as well, we wouldn't have invented guns.

We live in a society where guns are so easy to get it's not much more difficult than going down to the local convenience store for a refreshing beverage.

And when someone like me says, "maybe that needs to change," someone like you points to the fact that people kill other people with machetes, like that's somehow relevant. It's not.

Give a man a machete and he may kill a few people, give a man a machine gun and he may kill a hundred people. There is simply an order of magnitude difference between the ease and speed of one versus the other.
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Guns, easy to get in the USA would have made their killing spree far more efficient.
Automobiles are much much easier to get.
I suppose it makes sense to put the same kinds of restrictions that keep automobiles from being the preferred weapon of murderers.


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Automobiles are much much easier to get.
I suppose it makes sense to put the same kinds of restrictions that keep automobiles from being the preferred weapon of murderers.
It always seems to be some kind of sick control fetish with you......
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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Jun 14 2016, 07:47 AM
Paris had the toughest gun laws in the world, yet that team of attacking Jihadist managed to smuggle in AK 47s into France. It's a goddamned GLOBAL Jihad with international networks (get a clue).

You consistently lose more people to shooting each other up with firearms each year than the "global Jihad" ever has wrought upon your nation;" 2001 was no exception to this dismal fact.

In fact, even when you invade a Middle-Eastern country - incidentally, 50 dead in a single attack is peanuts in post-US-visit Iraq (thanks guys) - and your troops were falling like flies to the insurgents, your per annum casualties (deaths)there were a pittance compared to your litany of domestic gun deaths in the same period.

I would suggest that you "got a clue" yourself but unfortunately, "clues" are harder to come across than assault rifles in your country. However, here is a "clue" for you:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) claimed that, on average, one child died every three days in accidental incidents in the U.S. from 2000 to 2005.

Yes, in other words, every five months during that period you lost more children to gun deaths than the total number of victims in this recent incident.

It is one of the great human enigmas that US posters such as yourself can't seem to grasp that your crazy society, mixed with a plague of civilian-owned firearms, is the perfect recipe to these kinds of incidents.

Let me clarify this: if you were crazy but couldn't buy firearms with such ease, it would be OK, or if you were a sane society with an abundance of firearms at home (the Swiss) it would be ok, too, but take a emotionally unstable society and give it easy access to firearms and you end up with the US firearm-related annual death rate.

The above paragraph is what you would classify as "a clue" if you remain unsure of what "a clue" actually is.

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Edited by Hughmac, Jun 14 2016, 01:24 PM.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPosted ImageAutomobiles are much much easier to get.
I suppose it makes sense to put the same kinds of restrictions that keep automobiles from being the preferred weapon of murderers.
It always seems to be some kind of sick control fetish with you......
Yes, it's a fetish to be law abiding. :rollseyes:


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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepPosted ImageAutomobiles are much much easier to get.
It always seems to be some kind of sick control fetish with you......
Yes, it's a fetish to be law abiding. :rollseyes:
Go pledge of allegiance or something you Statist.
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