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Topic Started: Jun 14 2016, 07:45 PM (1,544 Views)
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estonianman
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Jun 15 2016, 02:02 AM
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Christ...this guy is Kato and Stevecanuck combined, on steroids. *smh* I never got that answer -
What moderate religions advocate execution of anyone leaving that religion?
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estonianman
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Jun 15 2016, 02:05 AM
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So there ya go. A list of all sorts of people - Muslim folks - who have contributed to our understanding of various science (and other) fields of thought.
Buh bye now. *drops mic*
It seems they've also contributed to woman's "fashion"
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lucash
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Jun 15 2016, 02:21 AM
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So there ya go. A list of all sorts of people - Muslim folks - who have contributed to our understanding of various science (and other) fields of thought.
Buh bye now. *drops mic*
It seems they've also contributed to woman's "fashion"  Every religion, ism,ology, etc. has their issues. Your point?
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lucash
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Jun 15 2016, 02:23 AM
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Christ...this guy is Kato and Stevecanuck combined, on steroids. *smh*
I never got that answer - What moderate religions advocate execution of anyone leaving that religion? There is no such thing as a moderate religion. A religion is but a tool, influenced by whoever is dominant. Every religion has had it's golden ages and not so golden ages - moments where they could arguably be said to be positive influences, and times where they're not.
That's my answer to you.
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"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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Mr. Tik
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Jun 15 2016, 02:24 AM
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- Jun 15 2016, 01:06 AM
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1st Link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.htmlTen years old..fail2nd Link http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/Ten years old..fail3rd Link http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvYSummary of Findings
A year after the war in Iraq, discontent with America and its policies has intensified rather than diminished. Opinion of the United States in France and Germany is at least as negative now as at the war’s conclusion, and British views are decidedly more critical. Perceptions of American unilateralism remain widespread in European and Muslim nations, and the war in Iraq has undermined America’s credibility abroad. Doubts about the motives behind the U.S.-led war on terrorism abound, and a growing percentage of Europeans want foreign policy and security arrangements independent from the United States. Across Europe, there is considerable support for the European Union to become as powerful as the United States.4th Link http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/a-year-after-iraq-war/5th Link https://pjmedia.com/blog/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticide 6th Link http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html7th link http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf8th link http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/Muslim Publics Divided on Hamas and Hezbollah the article presents a more complex picture than your narrative suggest9th link http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtmlSixteen percent of boys finds Islamist terrorism acceptable. Hardly a majority10th link http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east11th link http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamista decade old. 12th link http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Terrorism (this one really exposes the Muslims for their terrorism) One of those biased propaganda sites13th link http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/More than two years after the death of Osama bin Laden, concern about Islamic extremism remains widespread among Muslims from South Asia to the Middle East to sub-Saharan Africa. Across 11 Muslim publics surveyed by the Pew Research Center, a median of 67% say they are somewhat or very concerned about Islamic extremism. In five countries – Pakistan, Jordan, Tunisia, Turkey and Indonesia – Muslim worries about extremism have increased in the past year.
14th link http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf15th link http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdfSame link..from that link Few U.S. Muslims voice support for suicide bombing or other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam; 81% say such acts are never justified, while fewer than one-in-ten say violence against civilians either is often justified (1%) or is sometimes justified (7%) to defend Islam. Around the world, most Muslims also reject suicide bombing and other attacks against civilians. However, substantial minorities in several countries say such acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 26% of Muslims in Bangladesh, 29% in Egypt, 39% in Afghanistan and 40% in the Palestinian territories.
The long and the short of all this is that it would appear that you really dont read the pews links as what they report contradicts your polemic You have been pwned by your own links.
I thought you said none of the links worked? When you got caught in that lie you decided to say that the polls are to old to be valid. This one is from 2013 http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf APRIL 6, 2011 32% of Palestinians support infanticide https://pjmedia.com/blog/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticideDECEMBER 2, 2010 Muslim Publics Divided on Hamas and Hezbollah http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam". http://comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-t ... slim-poll/ http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree). http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... g-Company- The Sun (2015: Following Nov. 2015 attacks in Paris, 1 in 4 young Muslims in Britain (and 1 in 5 overall) said they sympathize with those who fight for ISIS. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... -poll.html You are lying and desperate. Quite pathetic. Your trolling sucks. They were truncated where I CPed them..my bad..but again, at least the Pew links paint a much diffrent picture than you are trying to push
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estonianman
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Jun 15 2016, 02:53 AM
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Christ...this guy is Kato and Stevecanuck combined, on steroids. *smh*
I never got that answer - What moderate religions advocate execution of anyone leaving that religion?
There is no such thing as a moderate religion. A religion is but a tool, influenced by whoever is dominant. Every religion has had it's golden ages and not so golden ages - moments where they could arguably be said to be positive influences, and times where they're not. That's my answer to you. I disagree
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lucash
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Jun 15 2016, 03:11 AM
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There is no such thing as a moderate religion. A religion is but a tool, influenced by whoever is dominant. Every religion has had it's golden ages and not so golden ages - moments where they could arguably be said to be positive influences, and times where they're not. That's my answer to you.
I disagree  That actually isn't a good example as it proves my point. Their religion is neither moderate nor not moderate. It just is, and they by their actions and desire not to be hostile, violent, and so on, they - or more so their brand/interpretation of said religion - is moderate. That isn't to say there couldn't be one of their faith who is violent, but as of yet that doesn't appear likely.
Same with Islam and other faiths. There are those who take their religious texts and teachings and spin it to justify horrible, horrible acts. Sure, those one are major league assholes....but the bloke at the corner store who is a Muslim from Pakistan and is simply trying to live his life and practice his faith privately? Not so much.
That's all it comes down to, what people do with what they have. Be it with religion or otherwise.
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Jun 15 2016, 03:20 AM
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I disagree 
That actually isn't a good example as it proves my point. Their religion is neither moderate nor not moderate. It just is, and they by their actions and desire not to be hostile, violent, and so on, they - or more so their brand/interpretation of said religion - is moderate. That isn't to say there couldn't be one of their faith who is violent, but as of yet that doesn't appear likely. Same with Islam and other faiths. There are those who take their religious texts and teachings and spin it to justify horrible, horrible acts. Sure, those one are major league assholes....but the bloke at the corner store who is a Muslim from Pakistan and is simply trying to live his life and practice his faith privately? Not so much. That's all it comes down to, what people do with what they have. Be it with religion or otherwise. I was countering your point that all religion isn't moderate - on the contrary I find the Amish to be very moderate with regards to "oppression" and interaction with others.
Islam on the other hand is extremely oppressive - with moderate muslims agreeing that murder is justified for defiance of their religion.
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Jun 15 2016, 03:27 AM
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That actually isn't a good example as it proves my point. Their religion is neither moderate nor not moderate. It just is, and they by their actions and desire not to be hostile, violent, and so on, they - or more so their brand/interpretation of said religion - is moderate. That isn't to say there couldn't be one of their faith who is violent, but as of yet that doesn't appear likely. Same with Islam and other faiths. There are those who take their religious texts and teachings and spin it to justify horrible, horrible acts. Sure, those one are major league assholes....but the bloke at the corner store who is a Muslim from Pakistan and is simply trying to live his life and practice his faith privately? Not so much. That's all it comes down to, what people do with what they have. Be it with religion or otherwise.
I was countering your point that all religion isn't moderate - on the contrary I find the Amish to by very moderate with regards to oppression and interaction with others. Islam on the other hand is extremely oppressive - with moderate muslims agreeing that murder is justified for defiance of that religion. Yet the Amish can be very much the opposite of moderate and Muslims can be the very opposite of 'oppressive', as all it comes down to is how the adherents apply and interpret the religious text. That doesn't mean the specific religious text are or are not 'bad' or not moderate. Frankly...just as Christians could, if they truly followed their bible, be much more immoderate, Muslims can also interpret their text differently than the extreme. Point being, if you judge a religion on its religious text, there's a failure to assess the human aspect. Not every religious individual will follow their text to the letter, even when they call themselves Christian or Muslim. I think that's the key thing when determining a bad muslim and a good muslim, a good christian and a bad one. Well, more so an ethical one as bad and good are overly moralistic.
Also, I'm not buying your "moderate" Muslim jab. Sorry, know too many and looked into and just not buying it.
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