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Guns in America: A history of violence
Topic Started: Jun 15 2016, 03:22 PM (716 Views)
Stef
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The Economist - Evidence is growing that gun violence in America is a product of weak gun laws

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WITH awful, numbing regularity Americans use high-powered, high-capacity firearms to carry out mass shootings. And with awful regularity, efforts to reform America’s gun laws in the wake of such tragedies fail. (Indeed, a recent paper published by the Harvard Business School found that a mass shooting leads to a 75% rise in measures easing gun control in states with Republican-controlled legislatures.) More than 30,000 people die in shootings in America each year; no other rich country suffers anywhere near that level of gun violence.
Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow. – Aesop
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The reason the British got kicked out? They tried to take our guns.
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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As one would expect from The Economist, the article is quite broad in its coverage, with quite a few interesting pointers.
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The main difficulty for academics studying the link between guns and gun crime, however, is the lack of a true counterfactual. A researcher cannot hold all other things constant while varying the stringency of gun laws in order to isolate the effect of those laws on the incidence of violence. That leaves open the possibility that any reductions in crime following a tightening of gun laws may be rooted in other, unrelated causes. Crime rates have tumbled in many rich countries in recent decades, complicating any analysis of the role of guns.


The article closes with the following, which, I think, would be difficult to negate or disregard. IMO, of course. :)
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Seemingly intractable disputes in American politics do sometimes give way to overdue reform. More probably, America will make scant progress in dealing with its gun problem until it begins to resolve its broader political problem.
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Stef
Jun 15 2016, 03:22 PM
The Economist - Evidence is growing that gun violence in America is a product of weak gun laws

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WITH awful, numbing regularity Americans use high-powered, high-capacity firearms to carry out mass shootings. And with awful regularity, efforts to reform America’s gun laws in the wake of such tragedies fail. (Indeed, a recent paper published by the Harvard Business School found that a mass shooting leads to a 75% rise in measures easing gun control in states with Republican-controlled legislatures.) More than 30,000 people die in shootings in America each year; no other rich country suffers anywhere near that level of gun violence.
Gun Deaths Are Mostly Suicides
Margot Sanger-Katz @sangerkatz OCT. 8, 2015

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html?_r=0
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Jun 15 2016, 03:26 PM
The reason the British got kicked out? They tried to take our guns.
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Robert Stout
Jun 15 2016, 03:29 PM
Robertr2000
Jun 15 2016, 03:26 PM
The reason the British got kicked out? They tried to take our guns.
:rotflmao:
It's true. Same with Mexico(Texas)
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Jun 15 2016, 03:30 PM
Robert Stout
Jun 15 2016, 03:29 PM
Robertr2000
Jun 15 2016, 03:26 PM
The reason the British got kicked out? They tried to take our guns.
:rotflmao:
It's true. Same with Mexico(Texas)
When people think of the causes of the American War for Independence, they think of slogans like “no taxation without representation” or cause célèbre like the Boston Tea Party.

In reality, however, what finally forced the colonials into a shooting war with the British Army in April 1775 was not taxes or even warrant-less searches of homes and their occupation by soldiers, but one of many attempts by the British to disarm Americans as part of an overall gun control program, according to David B. Kopel.

Furthermore, had the American colonies lost their war for independence, the British government intended to strip them of all their guns and place them under the thumb of a permanent standing army.


http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2015/08/12/how-the-british-gun-control-program-precipitated-the-american-revolution/
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Jun 15 2016, 03:29 PM
Stef
Jun 15 2016, 03:22 PM
The Economist - Evidence is growing that gun violence in America is a product of weak gun laws

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WITH awful, numbing regularity Americans use high-powered, high-capacity firearms to carry out mass shootings. And with awful regularity, efforts to reform America’s gun laws in the wake of such tragedies fail. (Indeed, a recent paper published by the Harvard Business School found that a mass shooting leads to a 75% rise in measures easing gun control in states with Republican-controlled legislatures.) More than 30,000 people die in shootings in America each year; no other rich country suffers anywhere near that level of gun violence.
Gun Deaths Are Mostly Suicides
Margot Sanger-Katz @sangerkatz OCT. 8, 2015

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html?_r=0
Am I missing something?
The graph refers to homicides.
Just saying.

Stef
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Jun 15 2016, 03:35 PM
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Jun 15 2016, 03:29 PM
Stef
Jun 15 2016, 03:22 PM
Gun Deaths Are Mostly Suicides
Margot Sanger-Katz @sangerkatz OCT. 8, 2015

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html?_r=0
Am I missing something?
The graph refers to homicides.
Just saying.

Stef
Ya, you're graph is wrong.
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Suicides by gun accounted for about six of every 10 firearm deaths in 2010 and just over half of all suicides, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Since the CDC began publishing data in 1981, gun suicides have outnumbered gun homicides. But as gun homicides have declined sharply in recent years, suicides have become a greater share of all firearm deaths: the 61% share in 2010 was the highest on record. That year there were 19,392 suicides by firearm compared to 11,078 homicides by gun (35% of all firearm deaths). The rest were accidents, police shootings and unknown causes.


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In terms of both raw numbers and population rates, gun suicides have been on the rise in recent years, even as gun homicides have fallen. In 2010, the gun suicide rate was 6.3 per 100,000 people, compared with 3.6 per 100,000 for gun homicides.

At 87%, males are the vast majority of gun suicides. By age group, people 65 and older have the highest firearm suicide rate: 10.6 per 100,000 people.


http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/
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Jun 15 2016, 03:22 PM
The Economist - Evidence is growing that gun violence in America is a product of weak gun laws

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WITH awful, numbing regularity Americans use high-powered, high-capacity firearms to carry out mass shootings. And with awful regularity, efforts to reform America’s gun laws in the wake of such tragedies fail. (Indeed, a recent paper published by the Harvard Business School found that a mass shooting leads to a 75% rise in measures easing gun control in states with Republican-controlled legislatures.) More than 30,000 people die in shootings in America each year; no other rich country suffers anywhere near that level of gun violence.
Gun Deaths Are Mostly Suicides
Margot Sanger-Katz @sangerkatz OCT. 8, 2015

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html?_r=0
Doesn't change that homicides graph. That's just another tragedy.
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Jun 15 2016, 03:41 PM
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Jun 15 2016, 03:22 PM
Gun Deaths Are Mostly Suicides
Margot Sanger-Katz @sangerkatz OCT. 8, 2015

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html?_r=0
Doesn't change that homicides graph. That's just another tragedy.
2.5 deaths per 100,000? I'm ok with it.

However better Police training would certainly help.
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Jun 15 2016, 03:38 PM
Stef
Jun 15 2016, 03:35 PM
Robertr2000
Jun 15 2016, 03:29 PM
Am I missing something?
The graph refers to homicides.
Just saying.

Stef
Ya, you're graph is wrong.
Yeah, of course, whatever.
BTW, it's not my graph. I'm sure you've read the whole article .....

But never mind. If you're happy with the situation that's no issue with me.
Thanks for your opinions.

Stef
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Hey Stef.

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You're 55 times more likely to die by the Police than by a terrorist.
Edited by Robertr2000, Jun 15 2016, 04:02 PM.
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Jun 15 2016, 03:40 PM
Suicides by gun accounted for about six of every 10 firearm deaths in 2010 and just over half of all suicides, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Since the CDC began publishing data in 1981, gun suicides have outnumbered gun homicides. But as gun homicides have declined sharply in recent years, suicides have become a greater share of all firearm deaths: the 61% share in 2010 was the highest on record. That year there were 19,392 suicides by firearm compared to 11,078 homicides by gun (35% of all firearm deaths). The rest were accidents, police shootings and unknown causes.


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In terms of both raw numbers and population rates, gun suicides have been on the rise in recent years, even as gun homicides have fallen. In 2010, the gun suicide rate was 6.3 per 100,000 people, compared with 3.6 per 100,000 for gun homicides.

At 87%, males are the vast majority of gun suicides. By age group, people 65 and older have the highest firearm suicide rate: 10.6 per 100,000 people.


http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/
The elderly are more likely to put their guns to good use.................. :hooray:
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