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| Ahoy! Berners; Leaked document shows the DNC wanted Clinton from start | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 16 2016, 09:47 PM (913 Views) | |
| ringotuna | Jun 17 2016, 12:29 PM Post #21 |
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^^^^^^That was gonna be my follow up. |
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| Opinionated | Jun 17 2016, 01:13 PM Post #22 |
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It's a real problem because on the one hand Clinton supporters want to blast Sanders and his supporters as the "evil other". The thing is, the DNC isn't certain they can win the election without Sanders' supporters, or they'd just wash their hands of the whole thing and march on. Their candidate is not charismatic, isn't well loved, doesn't have a message that resonates, and has enough baggage to fill a boxcar. So, it's not like they can just throw potential voters away. The question they're asking themselves is how do they lure Sanders' followers back into the fold? I'm not sure I know what exactly the answer to that question might be, but I do know one thing. Continuing to be a-holes to Sanders and his followers isn't the way to do it. |
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| Robert Stout | Jun 17 2016, 01:48 PM Post #23 |
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I wonder how many Sanders supporters will bother to vote for Hillary ???..There are MANY Sanders supporters....Hillary should seriously consider naming Sanders as her running mate if she wants to win the election...Kissing Sander's ass probably won't be enough..............
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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| estonianman | Jun 17 2016, 02:22 PM Post #24 |
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Can it |
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| CautionaryTales | Jun 17 2016, 02:42 PM Post #25 |
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The election for 2016 began when HRC lost the primary in 2008. She is covering as many bases as she can. Not a thing wrong with that. I want a President that covers all the bases. |
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| lucash | Jun 17 2016, 02:45 PM Post #26 |
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#NeverTrump
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Translation: She's covering her ass so she can deflect any failure.
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| "...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson | |
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| Deleted User | Jun 17 2016, 03:39 PM Post #27 |
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Covering one's ass is less traditional with politicians only to fund raising ... |
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| CautionaryTales | Jun 17 2016, 03:41 PM Post #28 |
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No, to enhance the chance of success. |
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| Opinionated | Jun 17 2016, 05:06 PM Post #29 |
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I must agree with CT here. Yes, immediately after losing the nomination in 2008, Hillary began laying the foundation for her campaign for the nomination in 2016. That's only to be expected. There is absolutely nothing wrong or nefarious about that. Anyone who is interested in being President is going to have to play the long game. If at first you don't succeed, you lay the ground work for another attempt. So yes, a lot of the DNC leadership was already on board with the idea of a HRC nomination. Sanders fought the good fight but ultimately the combination of the Party apparatus already being firmly behind HRC and the fact that minorities, in particular blacks, didn't know him and therefore didn't trust him like HRC, meant his ultimate defeat. There's no shame in that. HRC played to her strengths and in the primary that was enough. The problem that she faces in the election itself is that she needs to appeal to a broad spectrum of the electorate and right now her supporters seem committed to alienating Sanders supporters. That's not something she can really afford. Given that Trump is such a bad candidate for the Republicans, it is possible that she might be able to do the job with out them. But I doubt that she's willing to bet the farm on that. It's going to be interesting to see how she attempts to get Sanders' supporters and her supporters to reconcile. This is really her first test of Presidential leadership. And she really needs to stick it. |
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| Robert Stout | Jun 17 2016, 05:22 PM Post #30 |
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If Trump is not "qualified" to become President, why did Hillary run for President in 2008 ???...Sleeping with a former President is not the primary experience that is usually expected........
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| estonianman | Jun 17 2016, 05:51 PM Post #31 |
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It's interesting how the press nominated Ttump with lots of attention, then started ripping on him as soon as it was just him and Hillary. His tune hasn't changed for a year - if anything he's gotten a bit milder. |
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| CautionaryTales | Jun 17 2016, 05:54 PM Post #32 |
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He is playing to a different audience now. That is the difference for Trump. |
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| estonianman | Jun 17 2016, 05:57 PM Post #33 |
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Bs - it's been HRC va Trump for months now. |
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| Dem4life | Jun 17 2016, 06:18 PM Post #34 |
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| CautionaryTales | Jun 17 2016, 06:35 PM Post #35 |
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For Clinton, not for Trump. He has no potential constituency beyond his Nationalist base. He has been systematically bolstering his support in that bunch and has alienated those people that will be voting in the general election. He's pretty much tapped into all the support he can get and all of that was right wing nationalist in nature. Clinton still has a good amount of potential support to pick up. And she is doing that in bits and pieces every day. |
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| grannyhawkins | Jun 17 2016, 07:35 PM Post #36 |
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I say that big talk's worth doodly-squat
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The dnc haddint had credibility since the first 4 years of hopey changey and the last 4 years have just cemented thar credibility!!! Why the hail do you think burny had a message that resonated??? The gay progressive librawl millennial dumbarses are still lookin sumpin fur nuthin!!! |
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| estonianman | Jun 18 2016, 12:20 AM Post #37 |
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So tell me how I - who has a diverse pallet of contacts, have never even seen an HRC supporter? I've seen plenty of Bernie supporters, tons of Trump supporters - and I frequently travel a dozen or so western states including California. I travel to heavily unionized factories, meet all kind of folks in bars and hotel lobbies - meetings with distributors and colleagues. All kinds of diverse backgrounds - and races, nationalities, philosophies. Even my wife's friends and family from Canada - huge Trudeau supporters, hate Trump - despise Hillary even more. Call her a shill, a criminal - over dinner one night I told them about all the women Bill molested. Not one challenge. So take it or leave it - I know its anecdotal. But I don't care - unless you are writing about HVAC filters your posts are typically excreted from your ass. Here's a tip though - insult the candidates and not the supporters. Labeling entire groups of supporters nazis, racists, wack-jobs, ultra-nationalist might not go over well when you try to coax those comrades over to your side later. Edited by estonianman, Jun 18 2016, 12:21 AM.
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| lucash | Jun 18 2016, 12:37 AM Post #38 |
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#NeverTrump
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Secondary to lying their behind off...oh sorry, "misspeaking".
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| "...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson | |
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