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Ahoy! Berners; Leaked document shows the DNC wanted Clinton from start
Topic Started: Jun 16 2016, 09:47 PM (916 Views)
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Jun 17 2016, 12:19 PM
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Anyone paying attention knew that the DNC was in the tank for HRC. It was only HRC supporters who claimed otherwise.
Bernie was never anything more to the DNC than window dressing, an "also ran" from the beginning to dupe democratic constituents into the false perception that the Democratic primaries were something more than a dog n pony show for Hillary.
That was, of course, the intention. Unfortunately for the DNC, he actually had a message that resonated with a significant number of Democratic voters. Now they've got a problem on their hands. They've successfully beaten back his insurgency, but it has cost them in credibility and in loyalty. And they're flailing around, not really sure how to mitigate that.
^^^^^^That was gonna be my follow up.
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That was, of course, the intention. Unfortunately for the DNC, he actually had a message that resonated with a significant number of Democratic voters. Now they've got a problem on their hands. They've successfully beaten back his insurgency, but it has cost them in credibility and in loyalty. And they're flailing around, not really sure how to mitigate that.
^^^^^^That was gonna be my follow up.
It's a real problem because on the one hand Clinton supporters want to blast Sanders and his supporters as the "evil other". The thing is, the DNC isn't certain they can win the election without Sanders' supporters, or they'd just wash their hands of the whole thing and march on. Their candidate is not charismatic, isn't well loved, doesn't have a message that resonates, and has enough baggage to fill a boxcar. So, it's not like they can just throw potential voters away. The question they're asking themselves is how do they lure Sanders' followers back into the fold? I'm not sure I know what exactly the answer to that question might be, but I do know one thing. Continuing to be a-holes to Sanders and his followers isn't the way to do it.
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^^^^^^That was gonna be my follow up.
It's a real problem because on the one hand Clinton supporters want to blast Sanders and his supporters as the "evil other". The thing is, the DNC isn't certain they can win the election without Sanders' supporters, or they'd just wash their hands of the whole thing and march on. Their candidate is not charismatic, isn't well loved, doesn't have a message that resonates, and has enough baggage to fill a boxcar. So, it's not like they can just throw potential voters away. The question they're asking themselves is how do they lure Sanders' followers back into the fold? I'm not sure I know what exactly the answer to that question might be, but I do know one thing. Continuing to be a-holes to Sanders and his followers isn't the way to do it.
I wonder how many Sanders supporters will bother to vote for Hillary ???..There are MANY Sanders supporters....Hillary should seriously consider naming Sanders as her running mate if she wants to win the election...Kissing Sander's ass probably won't be enough.............. :victory:
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Anyone paying attention knew that the DNC was in the tank for HRC. It was only HRC supporters who claimed otherwise.
The election for 2016 began when HRC lost the primary in 2008.
She is covering as many bases as she can.

Not a thing wrong with that.
I want a President that covers all the bases.


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Jun 17 2016, 02:42 PM
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Anyone paying attention knew that the DNC was in the tank for HRC. It was only HRC supporters who claimed otherwise.
The election for 2016 began when HRC lost the primary in 2008.
She is covering as many bases as she can.

Not a thing wrong with that.
I want a President that covers all the bases.
Translation: She's covering her ass so she can deflect any failure. :tongue:
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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Covering one's ass is less traditional with politicians only to fund raising ...
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Jun 17 2016, 02:45 PM
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Anyone paying attention knew that the DNC was in the tank for HRC. It was only HRC supporters who claimed otherwise.
The election for 2016 began when HRC lost the primary in 2008.
She is covering as many bases as she can.

Not a thing wrong with that.
I want a President that covers all the bases.
Translation: She's covering her ass so she can deflect any failure. :tongue:
No, to enhance the chance of success.


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Translation: She's covering her ass so she can deflect any failure. :tongue:
No, to enhance the chance of success.
I must agree with CT here. Yes, immediately after losing the nomination in 2008, Hillary began laying the foundation for her campaign for the nomination in 2016. That's only to be expected. There is absolutely nothing wrong or nefarious about that. Anyone who is interested in being President is going to have to play the long game. If at first you don't succeed, you lay the ground work for another attempt. So yes, a lot of the DNC leadership was already on board with the idea of a HRC nomination.

Sanders fought the good fight but ultimately the combination of the Party apparatus already being firmly behind HRC and the fact that minorities, in particular blacks, didn't know him and therefore didn't trust him like HRC, meant his ultimate defeat. There's no shame in that. HRC played to her strengths and in the primary that was enough.

The problem that she faces in the election itself is that she needs to appeal to a broad spectrum of the electorate and right now her supporters seem committed to alienating Sanders supporters. That's not something she can really afford. Given that Trump is such a bad candidate for the Republicans, it is possible that she might be able to do the job with out them. But I doubt that she's willing to bet the farm on that.

It's going to be interesting to see how she attempts to get Sanders' supporters and her supporters to reconcile. This is really her first test of Presidential leadership. And she really needs to stick it.
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If Trump is not "qualified" to become President, why did Hillary run for President in 2008 ???...Sleeping with a former President is not the primary experience that is usually expected........ :confused:
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Jun 17 2016, 05:22 PM
If Trump is not "qualified" to become President, why did Hillary run for President in 2008 ???...Sleeping with a former President is not the primary experience that is usually expected........ :confused:
It's interesting how the press nominated Ttump with lots of attention, then started ripping on him as soon as it was just him and Hillary.

His tune hasn't changed for a year - if anything he's gotten a bit milder.
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Jun 17 2016, 05:22 PM
If Trump is not "qualified" to become President, why did Hillary run for President in 2008 ???...Sleeping with a former President is not the primary experience that is usually expected........ :confused:
It's interesting how the press nominated Ttump with lots of attention, then started ripping on him as soon as it was just him and Hillary.

His tune hasn't changed for a year - if anything he's gotten a bit milder.
He is playing to a different audience now.
That is the difference for Trump.


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Jun 17 2016, 05:54 PM
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If Trump is not "qualified" to become President, why did Hillary run for President in 2008 ???...Sleeping with a former President is not the primary experience that is usually expected........ :confused:
It's interesting how the press nominated Ttump with lots of attention, then started ripping on him as soon as it was just him and Hillary.

His tune hasn't changed for a year - if anything he's gotten a bit milder.
He is playing to a different audience now.
That is the difference for Trump.
Bs - it's been HRC va Trump for months now.
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Jun 17 2016, 12:45 AM
Golly geez willikers, you mean that on May 26, 2015, when (***consults RCP average***) Clinton was running a staggering 56 points ahead of Bernie Sanders in the polls and appeared to be on a friction-free glide path to the nomination, that someone might perhaps have emailed the DNC with a strategy memo about what to do in the jaw-droppingly likely event that she won? You mean they may NOT have been investing a lot in coming up with a general election strategy for some socialist dude running under 8 percent in the polls.

I-I think I feel a bit lightheaded! A case of the vapors, no doubt! A tizzy has overtaken me! I must hasten my personage nigh to the fainting couch where I can steady myself with strong brandy! Perhaps a tincture of laudanum will becalm my jangled nerves from this moment of shock and amazement! Smelling salts, Clara, immediately...Clara? Damn, where has the maid gone in this moment of existential crisis?

Good grief, if this is what passes for evidence of corruption these days, it is a good thing we don't get to overhear the stuff they don't put in emails. :lol:
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Jun 17 2016, 05:57 PM
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He is playing to a different audience now.
That is the difference for Trump.
Bs - it's been HRC va Trump for months now.
For Clinton, not for Trump.
He has no potential constituency beyond his Nationalist base.
He has been systematically bolstering his support in that bunch and has alienated those people that will be voting in the general election.
He's pretty much tapped into all the support he can get and all of that was right wing nationalist in nature.

Clinton still has a good amount of potential support to pick up.
And she is doing that in bits and pieces every day.


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I say that big talk's worth doodly-squat
The dnc haddint had credibility since the first 4 years of hopey changey and the last 4 years have just cemented thar credibility!!! Why the hail do you think burny had a message that resonated??? The gay progressive librawl millennial dumbarses are still lookin sumpin fur nuthin!!!
Endeavor to Persevere!!!
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Jun 17 2016, 06:35 PM
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Jun 17 2016, 05:57 PM
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Bs - it's been HRC va Trump for months now.
For Clinton, not for Trump.
He has no potential constituency beyond his Nationalist base.
He has been systematically bolstering his support in that bunch and has alienated those people that will be voting in the general election.
He's pretty much tapped into all the support he can get and all of that was right wing nationalist in nature.

Clinton still has a good amount of potential support to pick up.
And she is doing that in bits and pieces every day.
So tell me how I - who has a diverse pallet of contacts, have never even seen an HRC supporter?

I've seen plenty of Bernie supporters, tons of Trump supporters - and I frequently travel a dozen or so western states including California. I travel to heavily unionized factories, meet all kind of folks in bars and hotel lobbies - meetings with distributors and colleagues. All kinds of diverse backgrounds - and races, nationalities, philosophies.

Even my wife's friends and family from Canada - huge Trudeau supporters, hate Trump - despise Hillary even more. Call her a shill, a criminal - over dinner one night I told them about all the women Bill molested. Not one challenge.

So take it or leave it - I know its anecdotal. But I don't care - unless you are writing about HVAC filters your posts are typically excreted from your ass.

Here's a tip though - insult the candidates and not the supporters. Labeling entire groups of supporters nazis, racists, wack-jobs, ultra-nationalist might not go over well when you try to coax those comrades over to your side later.



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Jun 17 2016, 03:39 PM
Covering one's ass is less traditional with politicians only to fund raising ...
Secondary to lying their behind off...oh sorry, "misspeaking". :rollseyes: :lol:
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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