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EU referendum results live: Brexit most likely outcome says leading pollster
Topic Started: Jun 23 2016, 09:09 PM (12,023 Views)
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Jun 25 2016, 11:45 AM
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Jun 25 2016, 11:13 AM
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Jun 25 2016, 11:02 AM

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OK, OK, I confess, I am extremely pleased :)
Mostly by the fact that I am right, as usual, and having predicted collapse of the EU, and not just predicted but had given the quite a solid argumentation quite a long ago, I don't remember, 9 or 10 years ago...
But I also welcome Europe wich will be less an American slave and who will put benefits of economic cooperation with Russia higher than expansion of its political and military structures Eastwards.
I am just trying not to hurt your feelings too much with too a vivid expression of joy :lol: . But if you prefer otherwise.... my condolences... :lol:
The collapse of the EU does nothing to strengthen Russia...

NATO still unites them

Europe is still protected... The Russian Bear wont get a single Bite...

We have an anecdote.
2 cowboys are sitting in a bar and drinking whiskey. Suddenly a man jumps into the bar, orders a whiskey, drinjs and as fast runs away. One cowboy asks another - who is that? - It's elusive (uncatchable) Joe. - And nobody really can catch him? - Well, Who the hell wants him?

V4r, you cannot imagine how much a zombie you are if you really think that Russia somehow can or want to invade Europe..
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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100 years ago this month, Verdun and the Somme
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Jun 25 2016, 11:55 AM
By the way, Zon, do you know what amuses me greatly? You have shown it before already, I just use another occasion to point on it.
Most people in the West, who cry of democracy etc lowder - are all hypocrites, liers and despots, you all turn into oppressive dictators if given a chance, on any level, just as soon as you don't like the result of democracy. What was the case when you was wishing the authorities to ignore referendum results and do the opposite?
I can't say Russians are different, I'd say all humans are quite similar, but you zombies are brainwashed to think that you are somehow better, are bearers of true values.
The truth is that the West just is too prosperous to have too big a conflicts within its societies to adopt more suppressive methods to hold the situation under control. But all your countries readilly slip into any form of manipulation, dictatorship etc as soon as situation requires. Just remember Greece. And now I expect the EU and UK authorities to implement sonething to de-facto eliminate the referendum results, keeping an empty form of Brexit.
But, whatever they do - it wil just prolong the agony.

Just remember the core problem of the EU, the main reason it is incapable of living is its utopian model. The ECONOMIC model.
The problem is that European countries are very different economically. A sovereign country can compensate weakness in certain sphere with strengthening another, like - if your production is incompetituve you weaken your currency.
The EU is designed so that the economic core with strong export oriented economies thrives and benefits the most. There is a single currency, which is too strong for Greece and kills its export and a little weaker than it ought to be for Germany, Benilux, - and boost its export and production. As well taxes are different, interest rates for national industries are different, generally - economic conditions are different greatly. In a country there is common social care system, common taxes, interest rate and special subsidies to support the weak. IN THE EU THEY CHOSE CREDITS AS A TEMPORARY TOOL TO CREATE TEMPORARY WEALTH IN POOR MEMBERS TO ATTRACT NEW ONES, MORE AND MORE, WITHOUT REALLY CREATING SUSTAINABLE MODEL TO KEEP EVERYBODY UNITED. to compensate differences.
From the very start, from creation of the EU it was a project of not people but economic elite of very few countries. It eas a mockery and non-democracy because every single common man was fooled, common Germans were fooled that they are not going to pay for Greeks - they did not for a while but now are going to pay via collapse of the EU which their economy is already adapted to. Greels etc. were fooled that tgey will live good in the EU without earning this.
The EU is a giant lie. Maybe even bigger than socialism, as a model.
and if some mechanism of equialling, of levelling the wealth, of compensation of the weak is even tried to be included in the EU as an economic model - immediately the ruch countries will revolt, the people will want to exit. Even now the richest idiots like Germans, Swedes etc. think that they feed Greeks via small payments to the EU budget and few small programms of development of the poor members. While indirectly Germans, Dutch and few benefit the most of course, but they don't see it because your mainstream press does not talk about this, you need an educated in economics Russian to explain all this here. So, Jar, it is nationalism and only nationalusm which keeps countries alive for centuries, because a Britt does not object against subsidizing another Britt. But not a German or a French muslim. As soon as PROSPERITY becomes the main ideology which unites people in a union - the first big economic crisis destroys it. Some Romanians, Estonians, Ukrainians just want money, they are ready to build millions of CIA prisons to tirture people in their territory and don't give a crap for any democracy or human rights if you give them money and their life gets a little better. Not democracy but money is driving force if expabsion of the EU. And what is most amusing - not just money but credits, i e. the death of the EU is programned by its creators. Unless they use tanks. If poor ones are not given money - they blackmail and try to exit like Greeks. If given money - common Germans will exit. And yet we are talking about non-sustainable model, just imagine what happens if one tries to make it capable if living via common level of life in Germany and Greece. or if Greece is compensated for loosing its production due to too strong Euro.
So, the EU exists only while common people are fooled, only until democracy prevails, only until credit bubble explodes. not for long anyway :)
Any questions? :lol:
Edited by Siberian, Jun 25 2016, 12:32 PM.
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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Sorry, I forgot to mention Britts among richest idiots like Germans, Dutch and Swedes, who think that they feed Greeks instead of robbing them :)
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But as I said, just like in late USSR - during economic crisis everybody thinks he is feeding the neighbour and sacrificing more than gets.
Sometimes it's true, but mostly not.
Britts just happened to be lucky to get an idiot as a head of the government who suddenly decided to listen to the people (obsessed with false ideas, perseptions, bias and whatever) and did let the inevitable to happen not via multimillion violent a-la Arab spring demonstrations but via referendum.
But generally it is a perfect demonstration of how right I was and am. Unless the EU economy starts growing with pace of 3% a year, and it won't - the EU will die, painfully, with enormous cost, mass tragedies, ruined lives of millions etc.
Just like it happened in the USSR, which destroyed itself with utopian socualist model and whose collapse was considered by the West as its victory.
Now it's turn of Europe and a couple of decades later - the US.
China has a good chabce of destabilisation too, right after the EU, by the way, but they are wise and dictatorial, they may keep the situation under control with repressions. most probably.
Edited by Siberian, Jun 25 2016, 01:04 PM.
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I caught this youtube video of a ding-a-ling liberal in the UK decrying the Brexit vote..

Hate won...!

Fascism is coming to the UK...!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqf_RnEK4uE


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I noticed there is a petition to hold a second referendum with one million signatures.

Shocked that only 1/3 are from the UK :lol:
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Now they all want out...! (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36615879)

The biggest threat to the EU is, believe it or not, France. They may in fact have the votes.

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The Dutch?

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Mr Wilders, leader of the Party for Freedom in the Netherlands, said in a statement: "We want to be in charge of our own country, our own money, our own borders, and our own immigration policy.
"As quickly as possible the Dutch need to get the opportunity to have their say about Dutch membership of the European Union."
The Netherlands faces a general election in March and some opinion polls suggest Mr Wilders is leading. A recent Dutch survey suggested 54% of the people wanted a referendum.


The Swedes, the Danes and even the friggen Italians...

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Mateo Salvini, the leader of Italy's anti-immigration Northern League, tweeted: "Hurrah for the courage of free citizens! Heart, brain and pride defeated lies, threats and blackmail.
"THANK YOU UK, now it's our turn."
The anti-immigration Sweden Democrats wrote on Twitter that "now we wait for swexit!"
Kristian Thulesen Dahl, leader of the populist Danish People's Party, said a referendum would be "a good democratic custom".
European Parliament President Martin Schulz denied Brexit would trigger a domino effect, saying the EU was "well-prepared".
But Beatrix von Storch, of Germany's Eurosceptic AfD party, praising "Independence Day for Great Britain", demanded that Mr Schulz and European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker resign.
"The European Union has failed as a political union," she said.


And you probably thought that political decisions concerning the fate of Europe made in a crummy pizza shop at O'Hare airport don't matter... :box:

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Jun 25 2016, 09:44 AM
And just like the pilgrims from 14th century France, and their journey via the Camino de Santiago, they shall come, by the hundreds, by the the thousands, perhaps by the millions, to that tacky pizza shop at O'Hair's airport to worship at where it all took place, ....Uno's Pizza!

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Brexit began over a cheap pizza slice? Fateful decision to hold vote was 'reached in Chicago O'Hare pizzeria' while David Cameron waited for flight
David Cameron and William Hague were in Chicago in 2012 for a meeting
Returning from the Nato summit, both men ate pizza at Chicago O'Hare
They agreed to hold the doomed Brexit EU referendum by the end of 2017
Cameron gambled on the referendum to win a second term in Downing St


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659451/Reports-suggest-David-Cameron-William-Hague-shook-hands-Brexit-referendum-Uno-pizzeria-Chicago-O-Hare.html#ixzz4Cb96dTRY


Blessed be the shrine for all conservatives where the logical choice for all humanity was taken and spread to the masses...Uno's Chicago-style Pizza....!


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David Cameron made his momentous decision to commit himself to the Brexit referendum while eating pizza at a fast-food restaurant at Chicago O'Hare airport.
Cameron was on his way home from a NATO conference in May 2012 when he met with his then Foreign Secretary William Hague to discuss plans for the 2015 British general election.
The Prime Minister's major concern at the time was the potential rise of UKIP and a damaging pre-election spilt within his own party over Europe.

The PM and foreign secretary were noticed by fellow travellers, surprised to see two high profile politicians in a public area of a busy airport.
The Mail on Sunday reported in August 2015 that by spring 2012, the pressure for Cameron to commit to a referendum is virtually unstoppable. Having been initially reluctant, Osborne is won round. And on May 21 at the improbable location of a pizza restaurant at Chicago’s O’Hare airport it is settled.
Cameron sits down with William Hague and they agree to offer a referendum before the end of 2017. Osborne still has reservations. But Cameron can hold out no longer and the referendum is duly announced.
According to US website, Slate, the venue for the historic meeting was Uno Chicago Pizza in Terminal Three.
Slate claimed Uno Chicago Pizza was the only fast food joint serving pizza where patrons could sit down at Terminal Three in the airport.


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Bump...

I will be passing through O'Hare in September. I must remember to bring flowers and a candle. I hope the management at Uno's decide to build a shrine, ...or something. Gotta have something there, especially for the European tourists. With all this new interest in their pizza establishment, I hope the quality of their pizza's doesn't diminish. Good pizza is paramount to good decisions. Maybe, maybe they can have some quiet, reflective corners where patrons can soak-in all of the history made here, while enjoying their Chicago-style pizza's, with Mozart's Jupiter Symphony playing in the background? In 100 years it will surely be a "must-go-to" pilgrimage for all freedom lovers.... :)


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Jun 24 2016, 09:42 PM
Wales and Ireland will now vote to leave the UK.

Britain alone and drowning in their own sorrows.
Interesting Edro... Northern Ireland wanted to "REMAIN".

This could be the reunification of the North and South to form a single Republic.

That is an amazing observation and one I hope comes true...

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Scotland will most likely vote to leave the UK. Northern Ireland may as well. That will mean that the UK consists of Wales, England, with the status of Gibraltar up for debate, since Spain would really like it back.
it does make it interesting.. I have been hoping for a reunification with our Orange northern brothers for decades. To see it in my lifetime would be a dream come true...

I hope it happens... I just wish my grandparents were around to see it.. they died before the Easter Accords that Clinton brokered.

Something I always give him credit for...

Trump needs to focus more so on the male vote. He should have nationalized the Boy Scouts when they decided to admit girls.

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The woe-begons of Europe can rescind themselves with 'Their Will Always Be An England....' when times get hard.

We'll accept your fighter pilots, but the rest of your inmates will have to join the Resistance!
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I see the FTSE has almost recovered.
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The collapse of the EU does nothing to strengthen Russia...

NATO still unites them

Europe is still protected... The Russian Bear wont get a single Bite...

We have an anecdote.
2 cowboys are sitting in a bar and drinking whiskey. Suddenly a man jumps into the bar, orders a whiskey, drinjs and as fast runs away. One cowboy asks another - who is that? - It's elusive (uncatchable) Joe. - And nobody really can catch him? - Well, Who the hell wants him?

V4r, you cannot imagine how much a zombie you are if you really think that Russia somehow can or want to invade Europe..
Russia wouldn't dare take on the bigger members... But you certainly have your eyes on Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. giving you access to more warm water ports which you have always needed.

The Dissolution of the EU is not a collapse. It is a rejection of Globalist Socialism. Without Great Britain it is now incumbent on Germany and France to support the Lions share of the EU. They wont tolerate it for long.

Better that all of Europe go back to individual states with their own border policies and own economic policies.

as for Russia?

Like I said... you don't get anything out of it one way or the other. Militarily NATO Protects Europe, The G-7 will forge economic policy and trade agreements that benefit everyone (Russia is no longer a member of the G-8 after being suspended for her criminal annexation of The Crimea).

Russia gets NOTHING... Not a single thin Dime, Farthing, Franc or Ruble. NOTHING.

So sit back... mind you business.... if you want a say in things all you have to do is leave Ukraine and give back the Crimea.

Until then Russia is an outcast, a pariah, an aggressor state. Russia has no real say on the world stage. Your saber rattling is just an act. Keep buzzing American ships with your ancient SU-25's. We know they could be shot down in the blink of an eye. Flip a switch and your cold war relics could be knocked down before they were within 100 Miles. But keep buzzing us... Our Sailors get great YOUTUBE Video's of the pathetic Russian display of a couple of ancient ground attack aircraft trying to act all big and bad...

your countries actions have caused it to become an outcast...

and your leaders are too stupid to care...

Oh... one more thing....

We have a Joke here as well..

2 Russians are sitting in a Bar... They are Drunk.

Edited by voted4reagan, Jun 25 2016, 02:25 PM.
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By the way, Zon, do you know what amuses me greatly? You have shown it before already, I just use another occasion to point on it.
Most people in the West, who cry of democracy etc lowder - are all hypocrites, liers and despots, you all turn into oppressive dictators if given a chance, on any level, just as soon as you don't like the result of democracy. What was the case when you was wishing the authorities to ignore referendum results and do the opposite?
I can't say Russians are different, I'd say all humans are quite similar, but you zombies are brainwashed to think that you are somehow better, are bearers of true values.
The truth is that the West just is too prosperous to have too big a conflicts within its societies to adopt more suppressive methods to hold the situation under control. But all your countries readilly slip into any form of manipulation, dictatorship etc as soon as situation requires. Just remember Greece. And now I expect the EU and UK authorities to implement sonething to de-facto eliminate the referendum results, keeping an empty form of Brexit.
But, whatever they do - it wil just prolong the agony.

Just remember the core problem of the EU, the main reason it is incapable of living is its utopian model. The ECONOMIC model.
The problem is that European countries are very different economically. A sovereign country can compensate weakness in certain sphere with strengthening another, like - if your production is incompetituve you weaken your currency.
The EU is designed so that the economic core with strong export oriented economies thrives and benefits the most. There is a single currency, which is too strong for Greece and kills its export and a little weaker than it ought to be for Germany, Benilux, - and boost its export and production. As well taxes are different, interest rates for national industries are different, generally - economic conditions are different greatly. In a country there is common social care system, common taxes, interest rate and special subsidies to support the weak. IN THE EU THEY CHOSE CREDITS AS A TEMPORARY TOOL TO CREATE TEMPORARY WEALTH IN POOR MEMBERS TO ATTRACT NEW ONES, MORE AND MORE, WITHOUT REALLY CREATING SUSTAINABLE MODEL TO KEEP EVERYBODY UNITED. to compensate differences.
From the very start, from creation of the EU it was a project of not people but economic elite of very few countries. It eas a mockery and non-democracy because every single common man was fooled, common Germans were fooled that they are not going to pay for Greeks - they did not for a while but now are going to pay via collapse of the EU which their economy is already adapted to. Greels etc. were fooled that tgey will live good in the EU without earning this.
The EU is a giant lie. Maybe even bigger than socialism, as a model.
and if some mechanism of equialling, of levelling the wealth, of compensation of the weak is even tried to be included in the EU as an economic model - immediately the ruch countries will revolt, the people will want to exit. Even now the richest idiots like Germans, Swedes etc. think that they feed Greeks via small payments to the EU budget and few small programms of development of the poor members. While indirectly Germans, Dutch and few benefit the most of course, but they don't see it because your mainstream press does not talk about this, you need an educated in economics Russian to explain all this here. So, Jar, it is nationalism and only nationalusm which keeps countries alive for centuries, because a Britt does not object against subsidizing another Britt. But not a German or a French muslim. As soon as PROSPERITY becomes the main ideology which unites people in a union - the first big economic crisis destroys it. Some Romanians, Estonians, Ukrainians just want money, they are ready to build millions of CIA prisons to tirture people in their territory and don't give a crap for any democracy or human rights if you give them money and their life gets a little better. Not democracy but money is driving force if expabsion of the EU. And what is most amusing - not just money but credits, i e. the death of the EU is programned by its creators. Unless they use tanks. If poor ones are not given money - they blackmail and try to exit like Greeks. If given money - common Germans will exit. And yet we are talking about non-sustainable model, just imagine what happens if one tries to make it capable if living via common level of life in Germany and Greece. or if Greece is compensated for loosing its production due to too strong Euro.
So, the EU exists only while common people are fooled, only until democracy prevails, only until credit bubble explodes. not for long anyway :)
Any questions? :lol:
No wonder 98% of the Russian population earn less than $30,000 a year. You guys are too busy spending your time measuring your d**ks with other countries instead of making Russia the place where the average person can have a future. The future for the 98% of Russians now is to worship Putin and his inner circle. I suggest you save some money and take a trip to the West and North America to see first hand how people live. As of now everything you read from the media is "Westernized propaganda" with the exception of Putin's mouthpiece.

I really feel sorry for you man. :popcorn:
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We want you to go back to those fantastic (and rather awe-inspiring to one's minion states) military marches through Red Square!
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i always wondered if the old guys with the 900 medals on their chests were alive or statues they trotted out every May....

you can always watch the "B" team when the North Koreans have their parade...
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i always wondered if the old guys with the 900 medals on their chests were alive or statues they trotted out every May....

you can always watch the "B" team when the North Koreans have their parade...


The heroes of the Soviet Union truly never die!

Unlike capitalist oppression!
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lol.. You're a Capitalist oppressor to them you know... Right Monte?
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Jun 25 2016, 12:03 PM
Just a reminder to all

100 years ago this month, Verdun and the Somme
nice reminder!

are you a history buff, just greatly interested in WWI or saw it mentioned on a show?

interesting o read about, so thx for reminder
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Jun 25 2016, 12:55 PM
the EU will die, painfully, with enormous cost, mass tragedies, ruined lives of millions etc.
Just like it happened in the USSR, which destroyed itself with utopian socualist model and whose collapse was considered by the West as its victory.
Now it's turn of Europe and a couple of decades later - the US.
it's really hard to argue with that

BUT, if we wise up and elect Trump, we may be lucky enough to buy more than a few decades...
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Scotland will most likely vote to leave the UK. Northern Ireland may as well. That will mean that the UK consists of Wales, England, with the status of Gibraltar up for debate, since Spain would really like it back.
it does make it interesting.. I have been hoping for a reunification with our Orange northern brothers for decades. To see it in my lifetime would be a dream come true...

I hope it happens... I just wish my grandparents were around to see it.. they died before the Easter Accords that Clinton brokered.

Something I always give him credit for...

I have to wonder if Northern Ireland would agree to join the Republic of Ireland, perhaps with a certain amount of autonomy, or if they'll look to join with Scotland in some kind of mini-United Kingdom. Clearly, economically, Northern Ireland needs EU interaction. So I'd be surprised if they remain effectively a welfare state of the UK when they can have greater prosperity by staying in the EU.

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