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EU referendum results live: Brexit most likely outcome says leading pollster
Topic Started: Jun 23 2016, 09:09 PM (12,021 Views)
Siberian
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Siberian
Jun 26 2016, 03:53 AM
Canadian secret cervice's recent report on main threats in several coming years - China, ISIS, Russia, cyberterrorism....
Not a word on ongoing economic crisis and the EU desintegration...
Is Western elite of such a low intellectual capability or they just have to stick to mainstream propaganda? Or maybe they are just like other common members of Western societies are zombied, they cannot avoid influence of media environment...
https://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/pblctns/ccsnlpprs/2016/2016-06-03/content-en.php


While Ukrainuan press writes that Brexit is a big success of Russian secret service and agents... :)
Every zombie has his own features...
Damn I was wrong! :)
I underestimated Canadian secret servicemen, even if they lack foresight they have a great stile....

Though it was amusing they wrote it on China but not the EU. :lol:

Predicting the future of China is a risky undertaking. The accepted wisdom is that Chinese history moves in cycles, involving long periods of stability followed by the loss of legitimacy and either chaos or revolutionary change. As in any authoritarian system that produces brittle politics and institutions, it is hard to second guess the timing of those changes. Even if one believes that something in the system, or even the whole system, must snap at some point, it remains possible that authoritarian mobilisation can delay the breaking point to a later date. To the leaders of such systems, it is in fact the whims of democracy that bring the risk of sudden and unwarranted change

Edited by Siberian, Jun 26 2016, 04:04 AM.
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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Calm down, people. This attempt of Brexit will never be implemented. In a peaceful way. It will happen, but not now.

More Brussels bureaucracy: ‘Brexit may take up to 10 years to implement’

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/348350-uk-eu-us-exit/

I expect in a year the authoritues will held another referendum and they may vote the oposite. But,
however they vote - general trend will remain, just the course will be like "2 steps forward, 1 back". Many reversals will happen in the UK till it will funally leave, but more and more countries will join this game, Netherlands referendum was not the final one too. Generally the prosess will be very complucated, less and less controlled, more painful and more complicated.
Generally the calm age has come to the end, we have entered the world wide age of great turbulence and change.
You, Jar, are a retard, just like a hot Finnish guy is supposed to be.. :)
Edited by Siberian, Jun 26 2016, 04:40 AM.
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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Siberian
Jun 26 2016, 04:37 AM
Calm down, people. This attempt of Brexit will never be implemented. In a peaceful way. It will happen, but not now.

More Brussels bureaucracy: ‘Brexit may take up to 10 years to implement’

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/348350-uk-eu-us-exit/

I expect in a year the authoritues will held another referendum and they may vote the oposite. But,
however they vote - general trend will remain, just the course will be like "2 steps forward, 1 back". Many reversals will happen in the UK till it will funally leave, but more and more countries will join this game, Netherlands referendum was not the final one too. Generally the prosess will be very complucated, less and less controlled, more painful and more complicated.
Generally the calm age has come to the end, we have entered the world wide age of great turbulence and change.
You, Jar, are a retard, just like a hot Finnish guy is supposed to be.. :)
no... it will be negotiated soon and implemented within 2 years.

you're wrong

Trump needs to focus more so on the male vote. He should have nationalized the Boy Scouts when they decided to admit girls.

Harambe4Trump AKA "FASHY"
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voted4reagan
Jun 25 2016, 11:43 AM
edro14
Jun 24 2016, 09:42 PM
Wales and Ireland will now vote to leave the UK.

Britain alone and drowning in their own sorrows.
Interesting Edro... Northern Ireland wanted to "REMAIN".

This could be the reunification of the North and South to form a single Republic.

That is an amazing observation and one I hope comes true...

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Scotland could join them and then they'd have no problem to stay in the EU.
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Zon
Jun 26 2016, 05:15 PM
voted4reagan
Jun 25 2016, 11:43 AM
edro14
Jun 24 2016, 09:42 PM
Wales and Ireland will now vote to leave the UK.

Britain alone and drowning in their own sorrows.
Interesting Edro... Northern Ireland wanted to "REMAIN".

This could be the reunification of the North and South to form a single Republic.

That is an amazing observation and one I hope comes true...

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Scotland could join them and then they'd have no problem to stay in the EU.
How is scotland going to be independent - with so much dependency on London?
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Jun 26 2016, 06:06 PM
Zon
Jun 26 2016, 05:15 PM
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Jun 25 2016, 11:43 AM

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Scotland could join them and then they'd have no problem to stay in the EU.
How is scotland going to be independent - with so much dependency on London?
The same way a strong independent woman with five children from five unemployable men does: welfare.
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Jun 26 2016, 06:26 PM
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Jun 26 2016, 06:06 PM
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Jun 26 2016, 05:15 PM

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How is scotland going to be independent - with so much dependency on London?
The same way a strong independent woman with five children from five unemployable men does: welfare.
I would suggest that many of the international companies that have offices in the UK specifically so that they can take advantage of free trade within the EU will suddenly find Scotland, or perhaps Ireland, far more attractive now than England or Wales. And while London is currently a financial hub, that doesn't mean that, say for example, Dublin couldn't replace it under the right set of circumstances.
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Ireland a financial hub ???...Isn't Ireland the Greece of the Atlantic ?????..................... :dunno:
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Jun 26 2016, 09:59 PM
Ireland a financial hub ???...Isn't Ireland the Greece of the Atlantic ?????..................... :dunno:
Historically London has been the financial center of the UK, and then much of the EU, because the English systematically conquered Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and built the British Empire. Southern Ireland eventually threw off the English yoke in the early 1900s and much of the Empire has broken free as well Still, London was a significant trade and financial center based on advantages created by the Empire. Today, only tradition maintains that status. If it becomes difficult to conduct business throughout the EU from London, then business will move to where it is easier to conduct business throughout the EU. England and Wales, by themselves, aren't enough of a market to make staying in London, given significant business restrictions with the EU, profitable.

And we all know that the money goes where the profits are.
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montesquieu

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To all you Paddy enfranchisers: it never happen!

The north hate the South and vice (quite literally in Catholic ecclesiastical circles) versa!

At least I've been to/lived in the land of the Bog-Trotters rather than throwing out their somewhat 'vague' propaganda
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Siberian
Jun 25 2016, 09:46 AM
lucash
Jun 24 2016, 11:34 PM
Lets be frank folks..

If any of this Brexit, Frexit, etc. shenanigans were actually about making sure that 'the people' were represented by those who truly know them and their area best...ie, local folks as opposed to someone three thousand miles away, there would be a push for a break up of countries into far smaller, far more regional/local jurisdictions. The case for self rule is only sensible, in my view at least, if the governing happens at the (in the US) county or city level where instead of State or Federal politicians mucking things up, it's the locally elected officials. That's the only way people could be governed at an effective level, because really, which do you think represents people best? A group of people in a national capital 3,000 miles away - a group of people in a state capital 300 miles away - or a group of people 3 miles away?

Anyways. This Brexit thing? It's just nonsensical paranoia; it's a sure fire example of people not considering all of the consequences when making a decision.
For people (the whole Western World and Jar personally) who perfectly know how things and life in general work - my remark may look quite routine but still I'll add a couple of words.... :)

ECONOMY RULES

Every American acting president who enjoyed 3% or more of GDP growth during his first term - got reelected regardless to being democrat or republucan or whoever. Everyone who had less than 3 (or maybe 2) % - lost.

Besides, you over there might not have any time spent thinking what democracy is, because you are tought that what you have is exactly the democracy. No sense to comprehend if it is real :)
But it's not as simple. Democracy in the best possible option is the rule of few with agreement of the rest. I mean maximum of real democracy achieved by human kind, not in dreams. It means there is never a democracy in the meaning of "rule of the people", there is no democracy at all as something existing at every single moment, except few instances when referendum is held. And thanks god people don't rule themselves - just look at a common voter. Drudge, for example, or Jake...
So, it's pointless to blame people for benefiting from quite a rare occasion to express their disagreement, just it happens that British elite is too stupid to rule the country, because they thought it is safe to give power to the people in time when GDP growth is less than 3%. Of course whatever is asked from the people - people will vote in protest...or at least it will be quite a big factor.
People are very fool in general.
Your argument is invalid because here in the us it is a democratic republic, a fusion of various things into one. In our government (the republic aspect) it's understood that the majority may rule, but with respect to the (political) minority so that the majority cannot just impose their will and deny rights, etc.
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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montesquieu
Jun 26 2016, 10:57 PM
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To all you Paddy enfranchisers: it never happen!

The north hate the South and vice (quite literally in Catholic ecclesiastical circles) versa!

At least I've been to/lived in the land of the Bog-Trotters rather than throwing out their somewhat 'vague' propaganda
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Oh, so you mean you're talking out of your arse? Because funny, I've talked to several folks that I know who live both in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland and they're not matching your ''clear cut'' assertion.
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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To Brexit or Regrexit? A dis-United Kingdom ponders turmoil of EU divorce
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To leave, or not to leave: that is the question. Still.

After Britain's historic vote to leave the European Union, there is no indication that a so-called Brexit will happen soon. It maybe never will.
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A woman holds a sign in Westminster, in central London, Britain June 24, 2016. REUTERS/Phil Noble


10 ways to leave EU lover; scenarios for Brexit
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Stalemate between Britain and the European Union over what happens next following Britons' referendum vote to leave has opened up a host of possible scenarios.

Here are some that are (in some cases, barely) conceivable:
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A taxi driver holds a Union flag, as he celebrates following the result of the EU referendum, in central London, Britain June 24, 2016.
REUTERS/TOBY MELVILLE


Brexit: Germany rules out informal negotiations
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There can be no talks on Brexit before the UK formally begins the process to quit the EU, Germany's government says.

The UK would be given a "reasonable amount of time", but there must be no impasse, a spokesman said.

The leaders of Germany, France and Italy meet later in Berlin, with the speed of negotiations for Britain's exit high on the agenda.
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One of the more fascinating aspects to the Brexit vote is how the liberal news media is SPINNING this thing. Of particular note is the BBC and AP. Apparently these two so-called news services put-out a story, wholly uncorroborated by ANYONE, that a massive anti-Brexit signature effort was breaking all kinds of records. They never checked anything. It was a hoax, ...from the start.

But the liberals/socialists/communists over at the BBC and AP so WANTED the story to be true that they ran it as is.....

http://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-brexit-2nd-referendum-petition-a-4-chan-prank-bbc-report-it-as-real/

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By Louise Mensch | 9:38 am, June 26, 2016
The 4 Chan Bots represent the ultimate failure of the Remainstream Media.

The BBC’s desperate shilling for Remain will come under increasing scrutiny as we exclusively reveal that the supposed ‘popular petition’ for a second referendum – wholly illegal and unworkable, and unprecedented in British history – is a prank by notorious sh*tposters 4 Chan.

The BBC, the UK’s national broadcaster, gleefully reported, as real, with no basic journalistic checks, an online petition that appeared to be growing at a colossal rate. By 1:30 pm, it was one of the fastest-growing petitions in history.



They go on to write:

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Heat Street can exclusively bring our readers the proof that the spamming of the petition is a magnificent 4Chan prank that the Chads and Stacys of the BBC and liberal media swallowed whole. Heat Street does the basic journalistic work that the BBC failed to do:

Here are 4Chan boasting about their work on the petition

Posts include:

Almost fifty thousand signatures from Vatican City

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They’ll look at the IPs and wonder how the xxxx people from north Korea and the Vatican are voting

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mfw we are playing 4D chess and everyone assumes we are anime s**tposters

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Most online petitions are fraudulent as xxxx anyway due to the lack of any verification needed and the fact that you can make a petition over anything.

Anyone remember the whitehouse.gov petition by /jp/ to ban normalf*gs and janitors? Something to that effect anyway.


How long until they blame Putin’s hackers for it?



Mozart
Edited by W A Mozart, Jun 27 2016, 09:19 AM.
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An absolutely "must watch" video on Brexit.


It explains everything.... :popcorn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie-u47gRws0


Mozart
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edro14

Rule #50 now being considered.

The Jokes on the financial markets.
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lucash
Jun 27 2016, 01:06 AM
Siberian
Jun 25 2016, 09:46 AM
lucash
Jun 24 2016, 11:34 PM
Lets be frank folks..

If any of this Brexit, Frexit, etc. shenanigans were actually about making sure that 'the people' were represented by those who truly know them and their area best...ie, local folks as opposed to someone three thousand miles away, there would be a push for a break up of countries into far smaller, far more regional/local jurisdictions. The case for self rule is only sensible, in my view at least, if the governing happens at the (in the US) county or city level where instead of State or Federal politicians mucking things up, it's the locally elected officials. That's the only way people could be governed at an effective level, because really, which do you think represents people best? A group of people in a national capital 3,000 miles away - a group of people in a state capital 300 miles away - or a group of people 3 miles away?

Anyways. This Brexit thing? It's just nonsensical paranoia; it's a sure fire example of people not considering all of the consequences when making a decision.
For people (the whole Western World and Jar personally) who perfectly know how things and life in general work - my remark may look quite routine but still I'll add a couple of words.... :)

ECONOMY RULES

Every American acting president who enjoyed 3% or more of GDP growth during his first term - got reelected regardless to being democrat or republucan or whoever. Everyone who had less than 3 (or maybe 2) % - lost.

Besides, you over there might not have any time spent thinking what democracy is, because you are tought that what you have is exactly the democracy. No sense to comprehend if it is real :)
But it's not as simple. Democracy in the best possible option is the rule of few with agreement of the rest. I mean maximum of real democracy achieved by human kind, not in dreams. It means there is never a democracy in the meaning of "rule of the people", there is no democracy at all as something existing at every single moment, except few instances when referendum is held. And thanks god people don't rule themselves - just look at a common voter. Drudge, for example, or Jake...
So, it's pointless to blame people for benefiting from quite a rare occasion to express their disagreement, just it happens that British elite is too stupid to rule the country, because they thought it is safe to give power to the people in time when GDP growth is less than 3%. Of course whatever is asked from the people - people will vote in protest...or at least it will be quite a big factor.
People are very fool in general.
Your argument is invalid because here in the us it is a democratic republic, a fusion of various things into one. In our government (the republic aspect) it's understood that the majority may rule, but with respect to the (political) minority so that the majority cannot just impose their will and deny rights, etc.
Our political system disagrees with you.
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Jun 24 2016, 02:53 PM
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Jun 24 2016, 02:40 PM
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Jun 24 2016, 11:29 AM
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Nationalism encourages quitting the UN...Except those countries who receive foreign aid from more economically self sufficient countries...Thanks for another innovative idea for Trump's Presidential platform......... :love:
What? Say what? The Brits are planning on leaving the UN as well?

Where's my Dom Perignon? Where's the bottle of Remy Martin? ...under the couch? I dunno.

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:hooray: :euflag: :box: :hooray: :nana:

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Jun 24 2016, 03:16 PM
All over Europe, real Europeans are celebrating the first step in getting their countries back, their history back.

Get rid of the G'damn bureaucrats, every one of em. No more big government. No more Brussels. No more laws. No more unjust taxation. Stop it. Stop it all. The Brits were the first! Who next? The French? My beloved Austrians?

There is great joy tonight. Even in Italy they are celebrating..

Sing it Al Bano! ..... Felicita...! Happiness, ...happiness...!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0wZQbK938Y



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W A Mozart
Jun 27 2016, 11:19 AM
An absolutely "must watch" video on Brexit.


It explains everything.... :popcorn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie-u47gRws0


Mozart
If even half of that was accurate the Brits would have been fools not to leave.

Of course, nearly all of the pro-leave economic arguments in that video hinge on the UK getting rid of overbearing EU regulation while NOT enacting their own overbearing regulation.

Here is another interesting article.

http://theresurgent.com/what-brexit-is-and-is-not-about/

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