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Topic Started: Jun 23 2016, 09:09 PM (12,018 Views)
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Robert Stout
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Jul 9 2016, 05:46 AM
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Is it hate crime or freedom of speech ???... The British aboriginals are restless...They want to take their country back and to be great again...They don't want to kowtow to foreign bureaucrats in Brussels anymore............
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Jul 9 2016, 09:36 PM
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Wow. Had a very busy week, back and forth from UK and CH/IT to take care of a few things this blessed Brexit caused.
Well, well, didja take notes while in Switzerland on how a non-EU member can cope working/living in a Brexit world?  (see, this ain't so bad...!) If the Swiss can do it, so can you! They figured it, and you can too! Right? With me here? - Quote:
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I feel sorry for the ones who were manipulated to pull the UK out of the EU .... most of them are the ones who will feel the financial pain most. The manipulators are well cushioned and, as ever, will be landing on their feet while the manipulated will begin to wonder in about six months or less what the hell hit them. Farmers are already asking where the yearly 3Billion pounds they were getting from the EU will now come from ... and that's just one. Scientists are another very worried group ...
Manipulated? by whom? And ALL of those silly "global warming" scientists SHOULD be worried about where their next pay check is coming from. Right? Right!  They should all go and find themselves proper jobs, something to do with real science. - Quote:
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WAM? Are you getting somewhat confused? Surely not. Not you. Never. Let's see. Your video (BTW, you know who put that video together, right? Of course you do  ) and your post above don't match.
Was it Goebbels? Was it he and Leni Riefenstahl behind that propaganda video? Who'd a thought! Let's watch this video again together, shall we? Grab a snifter of cognac, put your feet up and watch the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie-u47gRws0- Quote:
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When you've done that please reserve some time if you can. I would like you to meet some of my friends from Eastern Europe. They have a pretty good idea about sovereignty and lack thereof.
Yes, and I have a lot of friends in Eastern Europe as well. They think the EU is complete bollocks. A monstrosity of insanity the likes of which the world has never seen before. Orwellian. Faceless bureaucrats given the power to make legislation behind closed doors to the detriment of millions of innocent people. "We will decide for the common good...!" Accountable to no one. Wizard of Oz kinda stuff. Who is that man behind the curtain? - Quote:
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Anyway WAM. Am heartened to see you care about what's going on in the old continent. Should you wish to know how decisions are taken in the EU, how MEPs are elected, how the EU parliament works, the relationship between the EU Parliament and the sovereign EU governments, do let me know. I am lucky to have four MEPs as friends, from three different countries. As I say, let me know.
Well, the next time you see your MEP's ask them what they do for a living?  Ask them how much money they make! Ask them what happens to all of that money from confiscatory taxation go to? A trillion dollar budget, ...for what again? Have them watch that Brexit video (see above) and write-down their comments. Ask them about those "spectacular" GDP growth rates the current EU is enjoying as a result of their efforts. Ask them about how millions of undocumented immigrants are allowed to wander around the EU without any plan of repatriation. Ask them to buy you lunch the next time you meet with them. Believe me, they can afford it! - Quote:
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There again, you can simply rely on the guys who made that video. Hey, your choice.
Or you can rely on the so-called journalists to be advocates for all of the boys and girls who are MEP's. Is Cristine Amanpour a member of the North Korean news delegation? I dunno. If she ever gets fired from her "job" at CNN, she can always find a friendly ear over there in Pyongyang. The Great Leader is always right! The EU is always right! No hard questions here,.e.g, such as if you guys are so smart howz come the GDP of the Eurozone is lower than all of the rest of the world, and the taxation the highest? Maybe Ms. Amanpour could ask that of Mr. Hannon. He would have a good answer for that. He knows. I know. The EU is Orwellian insanity. It is killing Europe, by the day, by the month and the years. That's what good journalists do, look at all of the angles to a problem, not take the party line. I cannot point to worse, more despicable example of advocacy journalism than this video below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivOOM0PbNps Finally, we gotcha! We've put all of Europe in a tither. The bureaucrats in Brussels are nervous, scared. The gravy-train is being scrutinized. Questions are being asked. What EXACTLY are you doing with all the money that we are sending you? Who made these silly laws, and when was the vote? Who are you people? Now, my beloved Austria will vote again. I'll betcha we get em in October! Scare the hell out of em. People are no longer afraid of being called a Nazi for simply wanting their countries back. Get rid of the rules, the stupid regulations. Give HOPE for the young. Make them entrepreneurs. Encourage them with a deregulated economy. No silly laws. Reduce taxation by one half. Start over. The EU should be abolished, and all of the so-called diplomats, MEPS and bureaucrats should be sent home. Go. Leave. Write when you find real work. Finally, there is joy! We gotcha! No one saw this coming. Sing it Al Bano! ..... Felicita...! Happiness, ...happiness...! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0wZQbK938YMozart
So, like, how are the socialists over in the UK reacting to their upcoming exit from the EU? Like children...! Pouting. Showing-up naked at faculty meetings. Wait. What? Naked. A slightly pudgy, dowdy, middle-aged liberal/socialist showed-up naked to protest. Really. I'm not kidding.
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Cambridge academic stages nude protest over Brexit in front of 30 economists during faculty meeting Victoria Bateman has 'Brexit leaves Britain naked' written across her body

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A Cambridge academic walked naked into a faculty meeting of economists in an act of protest against the UK's vote to leave the European Union.
Victoria Bateman, a fellow in economics at Cambridge University, arrived at the meeting on Wednesday with the words "Brexit leaves Britain naked" written across her stomach and breasts.
Ms Bateman reportedly sat through the two-hour meeting, in which 30 other economists were discussing teaching material and courses at Cambridge University's Faculty of Economics, without anyone mentioning her lack of clothing.
Nigel Knight, director of studies at Chruchill College and chair of the meeting, did however reportedly look at her and say: "I think we need some cups for the coffee."
It is not the first time Ms Bateman has bared all in public.
In 2014, she posed for a nude protrait by painter Anthony Connolly, which then went on public display at the Mall Galleries.
Talking about her decision to pose nude in The Guardian, Ms Bateman said she had hoped to raise questions about the depiction of women and "challenge the blinkered association between the body and sex".
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Jul 10 2016, 12:29 AM
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It seems that Bateman has resorted to advertising to find a husband...It would be easier for her to use Craig's list.............
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Jul 10 2016, 08:43 PM
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Is it hate crime or freedom of speech ???... The British aboriginals are restless...They want to take their country back and to be great again...They don't want to kowtow to foreign bureaucrats in Brussels anymore............ And graffiti's are painted by the majority of the people living in the societies who build up the the concepts of any kind developments in human cultures of any kind at all?
What are you doing in this forum, eh? IMHO, not too different from the people who use this technology to blow up people, because those people are as incapable of expressing themselves as intelligent human beings as you are.
Siberian, you have already succumbed as a single human being to being what typical Russian value of life is today: it is non-existent. Everyone can be the victim of Russian society - depending on who is in charge in Kremlin. It is Kremlin and today Putin only, who defines what Russia is and what are its values and how it exercises those values in real life. You as a single Russian (or any of your family members) have no value as human beings over the state of Russia = the Soviet Union. Russians living today need to deal with this FACT of life in your country. Deal with it - with the realities in your country, so that maybe some day in the far far future, you could have a chance to become a nation which has a true capability to invest in its peoples' capabilities. Only after that change, you may have a chance that Russia could be seen as a respectable country with proper values to follow by others.
BTW, are you scared of Putin's orders that all the telecom operators in Russia are now FORCED to store every single phone calls (not just the the metadata - meaning eg. the numbers involved in a phone call) but also storing the all the voice data for 2 years? Do you REALLY understand what that means regarding your personal privacy?
Actually, I think that you as a Russian, operating in Russia, will be also a target of Russian authorities what you will write in this forum when writing your posts from within Russian borders. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised that you might get arrested in the near future because it is ideologies and values which dictates how the state of Russia will conduct its business in real life. Never underestimate what you can do with the technology these days.
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Jul 10 2016, 10:12 PM
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Is it hate crime or freedom of speech ???... The British aboriginals are restless...They want to take their country back and to be great again...They don't want to kowtow to foreign bureaucrats in Brussels anymore............
And graffiti's are painted by the majority of the people living in the societies who build up the the concepts of any kind developments in human cultures of any kind at all? What are you doing in this forum, eh? IMHO, not too different from the people who use this technology to blow up people, because those people are as incapable of expressing themselves as intelligent human beings as you are. Siberian, you have already succumbed as a single human being to being what typical Russian value of life is today: it is non-existent. Everyone can be the victim of Russian society - depending on who is in charge in Kremlin. It is Kremlin and today Putin only, who defines what Russia is and what are its values and how it exercises those values in real life. You as a single Russian (or any of your family members) have no value as human beings over the state of Russia = the Soviet Union. Russians living today need to deal with this FACT of life in your country. Deal with it - with the realities in your country, so that maybe some day in the far far future, you could have a chance to become a nation which has a true capability to invest in its peoples' capabilities. Only after that change, you may have a chance that Russia could be seen as a respectable country with proper values to follow by others. BTW, are you scared of Putin's orders that all the telecom operators in Russia are now FORCED to store every single phone calls (not just the the metadata - meaning eg. the numbers involved in a phone call) but also storing the all the voice data for 2 years? Do you REALLY understand what that means regarding your personal privacy? Actually, I think that you as a Russian, operating in Russia, will be also a target of Russian authorities what you will write in this forum when writing your posts from within Russian borders. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised that you might get arrested in the near future because it is ideologies and values which dictates how the state of Russia will conduct its business in real life. Never underestimate what you can do with the technology these days. This sounds harsh coming from a Finn who owes their independence today from Russia solely to the kindness of Joseph Stalin....You should be grateful that Russia has had such leaders...........
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Jul 11 2016, 04:35 AM
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And graffiti's are painted by the majority of the people living in the societies who build up the the concepts of any kind developments in human cultures of any kind at all? What are you doing in this forum, eh? IMHO, not too different from the people who use this technology to blow up people, because those people are as incapable of expressing themselves as intelligent human beings as you are. Siberian, you have already succumbed as a single human being to being what typical Russian value of life is today: it is non-existent. Everyone can be the victim of Russian society - depending on who is in charge in Kremlin. It is Kremlin and today Putin only, who defines what Russia is and what are its values and how it exercises those values in real life. You as a single Russian (or any of your family members) have no value as human beings over the state of Russia = the Soviet Union. Russians living today need to deal with this FACT of life in your country. Deal with it - with the realities in your country, so that maybe some day in the far far future, you could have a chance to become a nation which has a true capability to invest in its peoples' capabilities. Only after that change, you may have a chance that Russia could be seen as a respectable country with proper values to follow by others. BTW, are you scared of Putin's orders that all the telecom operators in Russia are now FORCED to store every single phone calls (not just the the metadata - meaning eg. the numbers involved in a phone call) but also storing the all the voice data for 2 years? Do you REALLY understand what that means regarding your personal privacy? Actually, I think that you as a Russian, operating in Russia, will be also a target of Russian authorities what you will write in this forum when writing your posts from within Russian borders. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised that you might get arrested in the near future because it is ideologies and values which dictates how the state of Russia will conduct its business in real life. Never underestimate what you can do with the technology these days.
This sounds harsh coming from a Finn who owes their independence today from Russia solely to the kindness of Joseph Stalin....You should be grateful that Russia has had such leaders........... https://meduza.io/en/news/2016/07/07/putin-gives-federal-security-agents-two-weeks-to-produce-encryption-keys-for-the-internet
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Jul 12 2016, 02:59 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THWPJE4xaJM
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I see Boris Johnson will be the new Foreign Secretary.
Oh my, this is gonna be fun.....!
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I see Boris Johnson will be the new Foreign Secretary. Oh my, this is gonna be fun.....! Mozart Yes.
We'll see how much responsibility those people can handle in real life since they have used millions of lies to the British people to get some personal gain.
Many of them in UKIP have already shown their "responsibility" by resigning their position as "their jobs as destroying any kind of unity" is done. Nothing really surprising there as those people in general are mentally incapable of "re-building" something for a "greater cause" - as their sole purpose of acting so is to blame someone/something else which they themselves are incapable for re-building themselves as persons and incapable of not to project their own personal issues to others.
A bit similar thing has already been seen in Finnish politics when an absolutely racist party gained enough ground to be existing now in the government, but whose representative has had to tone down his speeches as he's in charge of the same position in Finland. I see this Finnish Minister of Foreign Exchange as a divided person, gambling (for himself only as "a king of some kind as his followers needs a king") with the voice of the government in charge and the voters whose support has dropped down from nearly 25% to about 9% since the Parliament elections in 2015.
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I see Boris Johnson will be the new Foreign Secretary. Oh my, this is gonna be fun.....! Mozart It won't be as much fun as you think, nor is Johnson always the joker people see him as. He can be very serious when needed. The role of Foreign Secretary isn't as important as it used to be anyway, with most of its former role now carried out by other departments.
But the position is Johnson's to expand if he has the desire.
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He has the charisma so many politicians lack, to actually pull this off.
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He has the charisma so many politicians lack, to actually pull this off. What do you need in your personal life in order discover that you don't need some politician to be the source of the admiration you need in your life?
UKIP = The Basic Finns = "The answer to one's personal problems in life"?
Like I read hundreds of posts years ago in several net publications that some people wished that Timo Soini, who's the basic founder The Basic Finns, that he will fix all the problems those people are having in their lives?
I wonder why are you alive?
Personal view of what I know of British political scene: Nigel Farage will kill himself because he will not be able to face the realities of what Brexit is likely to cause in the long term. He has already proven that he's not a person who is able to have ANY kind of responsibility of anything at all in his political life. Just causing a commotion was all that UKIP is capable of - just like the Basic Finns did - after becoming part of the actual world in a democracy responsible of what they are representing.
IF UKIP is capable of surviving the change ongoing in the UK - without destroying the hundreds of years of history of the existence of the UK when Scotland and North Ireland have already stated that they wish to remain in the EU - and without resorting to political pressure and/or violence against Scotland and North Ireland, then maybe England is able to learn something from its history.
But I don't have any such hopes, understanding the basics of the ideologies behinds those which resulted to the Brexit.
Now, Hiawatha, you need to take the responsibility of your own life as well of yourself because you will have not a single outside source of problems to blame on except British internal ones (well, except any other multi-national organizations such as NATO and the UN). Your personal problems will not change with the Brexit, no matter how much you wished they would change.
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We'll see how much responsibility those people can handle in real life since they have used millions of lies to the British people to get some personal gain.
Just for the record, ...name just one lie, OK? With me? And we'll debate your 'greatest lie.' OK?
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Nigel Farage will kill himself because he will not be able to face the realities of what Brexit is likely to cause in the long term. He has already proven that he's not a person who is able to have ANY kind of responsibility of anything at all in his political life. Just causing a commotion was all that UKIP is capable of -
Kill himself? He's no longer relevant, he's resigned. Versteh? Now, I want you to view (see above) the ENTIRE Brexit video I posted. All of it. Take notes, then tell us why and where you disagree. OK?
This outta be good.....
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We'll see how much responsibility those people can handle in real life since they have used millions of lies to the British people to get some personal gain.
Just for the record, ...name just one lie, OK? With me? And we'll debate your 'greatest lie.' OK? He doesn't need to name it. The European Commission keeps a database of these "EuroMyths" (= lies) a genre apparently invented by Boris Johnson himself when he was correspondent for the Telegraph from Brussels in the ninties. This has been going on since 1992, and ultimately has led to Brexit.
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/
Sadly if those who have control of the media keep repeating lies over and over again for decades, they can turn those lies into the truth, at least for the majority of people. Berlusconi did exactly the same in Italy, and based all his political career over his control of the Italian TV. Just as the UK press barons managed to convince the public that the EU is 'corrupt' and 'unreformable', Berlusconi managed to convince the public that the judges who were trying to prosecute and convict him were 'biased' and 'politically motivated'.
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He has the charisma so many politicians lack, to actually pull this off.
What do you need in your personal life in order discover that you don't need some politician to be the source of the admiration you need in your life? UKIP = The Basic Finns = "The answer to one's personal problems in life"? Like I read hundreds of posts years ago in several net publications that some people wished that Timo Soini, who's the basic founder The Basic Finns, that he will fix all the problems those people are having in their lives? I wonder why are you alive? Personal view of what I know of British political scene: Nigel Farage will kill himself because he will not be able to face the realities of what Brexit is likely to cause in the long term. He has already proven that he's not a person who is able to have ANY kind of responsibility of anything at all in his political life. Just causing a commotion was all that UKIP is capable of - just like the Basic Finns did - after becoming part of the actual world in a democracy responsible of what they are representing. IF UKIP is capable of surviving the change ongoing in the UK - without destroying the hundreds of years of history of the existence of the UK when Scotland and North Ireland have already stated that they wish to remain in the EU - and without resorting to political pressure and/or violence against Scotland and North Ireland, then maybe England is able to learn something from its history. But I don't have any such hopes, understanding the basics of the ideologies behinds those which resulted to the Brexit. Now, Hiawatha, you need to take the responsibility of your own life as well of yourself because you will have not a single outside source of problems to blame on except British internal ones (well, except any other multi-national organizations such as NATO and the UN). Your personal problems will not change with the Brexit, no matter how much you wished they would change. Good grief - I think you need a colonic - it appears to be affecting your speech. Swivel (might rectify some of the problem)
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We'll see how much responsibility those people can handle in real life since they have used millions of lies to the British people to get some personal gain.
Just for the record, ...name just one lie, OK? With me? And we'll debate your 'greatest lie.' OK?
He doesn't need to name it. The European Commission keeps a database of these "EuroMyths" (= lies) a genre apparently invented by Boris Johnson himself when he was correspondent for the Telegraph from Brussels in the ninties. This has been going on since 1992, and ultimately has led to Brexit. http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/Sadly if those who have control of the media keep repeating lies over and over again for decades, they can turn those lies into the truth, at least for the majority of people. Berlusconi did exactly the same in Italy, and based all his political career over his control of the Italian TV. Just as the UK press barons managed to convince the public that the EU is 'corrupt' and 'unreformable', Berlusconi managed to convince the public that the judges who were trying to prosecute and convict him were 'biased' and 'politically motivated'. Oh Puhleaze....!
Coward..! Wimp....! Wuss.....!
I asked for one lie, and you give me a blog SPONSORED by the EU? Really?
Here's ONE fact confronting the un-democratic nature of the EU: (again, ...one) http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/eu-referendum_b_9514608.html
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The EU’s law-making process is fundamentally undemocratic. Power is vested in the unelected and unaccountable elite who make laws - in secret - to preserve the status of large multinationals at the expense of small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). Multinationals achieve their preferential status by spending enormous sums of money on lobbying. They create a complicated regulatory framework, which only large companies with their Human Resources departments can comply with. This drives small competitors out of business, destroys competition and encourages monopolies, forcing the consumer to pay a higher price for poorer quality goods and services.
There are four key institutions of the EU: the European Commission, European Parliament, European Council and the Court of Justice of the EU. Each institution supposedly represents separate interests. The Commission represents the EU, the Parliament represents the people, the Council represents the Governments of each Member State and the Court interprets the law. However, these institutions do not do this in practice, as they all represent large multinationals and an integrationist agenda, as the intention is to create a federal United States of Europe. This new country already has a flag, a Parliament, an anthem, Presidents, currency, a legal system, legal status and a navy - to name just a few.
The EU Commission is the guardian of the treaties and enforces EU law. More importantly, this means it is the Government of Europe which has the sole right to propose the laws which increasingly encroach on our lives here in Britain.
The Commission is made up of 28 unelected commissioners, who cannot be held to account. Each commissioner has a specific policy area in which to create laws. The Commission has a President (currently Jean-Claude Juncker); unlike the other 27 commissioners he is personally elected by the European Parliament, however his was the only name on the ballot paper, not exactly democratic. The Commission is advised by the Directorate General, which along with the Commission is heavily lobbied. Once the Commission proposes an EU law, this proposal is taken to the Parliament.
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Secondly, the Parliament is made up of 751 MEPs who are elected by the people in EU Member States every five years in elections. National parties arrange themselves into European groups of similar parties throughout Europe. It also has a President (currently Martin Schulz) who was voted in by the Parliament, but once again he was the only candidate. Theoretically, the Parliament has the ability to remove the Commission; however the Parliament has never successfully been able to remove it - even when the Commission has been full of corrupt cronies. The Parliament didn’t even remove the commission of 2004 to 2009 which was full of questionable characters. This Commission included Siim Kallas the Anti-Fraud Commissioner who was given this role despite being charged with fraud, abuse of power and providing false information after £4.4million disappeared while he was head of Estonia’s national bank.
This is not a Parliament in any real sense, as they have no right to propose laws. Instead it is a façade, created to make the EU look democratic, rather than give the public a choice over those who makes their laws. The Parliament does vote and can make amendments on laws proposed by the Commission, but the Commission must accept any of the amendments proposed for the changes to become effective, showing where the power lies.
Additionally, once something becomes an EU law, the Parliament has no ability to propose a change to this law. All the power is given to the Commission. It is clear the public’s elected representatives do not matter in the EU. It’s a ‘club’ to push through laws which would be rejected by national Parliaments. Once the Parliament approves an EU proposal, it is sent to the European Council.
See? I put two points on the board for debate, not millions and not a blog from EU's version of Pravda. Two.
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Jul 16 2016, 09:58 AM
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We'll see how much responsibility those people can handle in real life since they have used millions of lies to the British people to get some personal gain.
Just for the record, ...name just one lie, OK? With me? And we'll debate your 'greatest lie.' OK?
He doesn't need to name it. The European Commission keeps a database of these "EuroMyths" (= lies) a genre apparently invented by Boris Johnson himself when he was correspondent for the Telegraph from Brussels in the ninties. This has been going on since 1992, and ultimately has led to Brexit. http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/Sadly if those who have control of the media keep repeating lies over and over again for decades, they can turn those lies into the truth, at least for the majority of people. Berlusconi did exactly the same in Italy, and based all his political career over his control of the Italian TV. Just as the UK press barons managed to convince the public that the EU is 'corrupt' and 'unreformable', Berlusconi managed to convince the public that the judges who were trying to prosecute and convict him were 'biased' and 'politically motivated'. Reports from all sides prior to referendum debate were generally pretty dire, but a much more accurate case for Brexit was made in the crowdfunded 'Brexit the Movie'. I presume you've watched it? Did you spot any lies in it? If so, what do you think they are?
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Jul 16 2016, 10:02 AM
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markets are at all time highs
how many took advantage of that great buying opportunity like I suggested???
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Republicans sign checks on the front, democrats sign them on the back…True story!
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Jul 16 2016, 10:08 AM
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markets are at all time highs
how many took advantage of that great buying opportunity like I suggested??? Mining stocks were (are) the place to be.
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I see Boris Johnson will be the new Foreign Secretary. Oh my, this is gonna be fun.....! Mozart
Yes. We'll see how much responsibility those people can handle in real life since they have used millions of lies to the British people to get some personal gain. Many of them in UKIP have already shown their "responsibility" by resigning their position as "their jobs as destroying any kind of unity" is done. Nothing really surprising there as those people in general are mentally incapable of "re-building" something for a "greater cause" - as their sole purpose of acting so is to blame someone/something else which they themselves are incapable for re-building themselves as persons and incapable of not to project their own personal issues to others. A bit similar thing has already been seen in Finnish politics when an absolutely racist party gained enough ground to be existing now in the government, but whose representative has had to tone down his speeches as he's in charge of the same position in Finland. I see this Finnish Minister of Foreign Exchange as a divided person, gambling (for himself only as "a king of some kind as his followers needs a king") with the voice of the government in charge and the voters whose support has dropped down from nearly 25% to about 9% since the Parliament elections in 2015. What did would you have Farage to do? The official leave campaign made it clear they would not work with him and the new Prime Minister certainly isn't going to give him a position or call on him for advice. Farage and his deputy are still MEPs and there will be a new leader of UKIP.
It will be interesting to see, if the new government manages to drag the exit process out, what will happen when the electorate is called on to vote in elections for another 5 year term for MEPs in 2019. Pro-EU politicians are running out of places to hide.
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