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EU referendum results live: Brexit most likely outcome says leading pollster
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UKIP leadership frontrunner hospitalised after European Parliament fight

http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/ukip-leadership-frontrunner-hospitalised-after-european-parliament-fight/

Normal behaviour for UKIP :tongue:

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Oct 6 2016, 11:01 AM
UKIP leadership frontrunner hospitalised after European Parliament fight

http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/ukip-leadership-frontrunner-hospitalised-after-european-parliament-fight/

Normal behaviour for UKIP :tongue:

We don't know what happened yet and you found humor in this anyway. A nice display of your values.
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Oct 6 2016, 11:31 AM
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UKIP leadership frontrunner hospitalised after European Parliament fight

http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/ukip-leadership-frontrunner-hospitalised-after-european-parliament-fight/

Normal behaviour for UKIP :tongue:

We don't know what happened yet and you found humor in this anyway. A nice display of your values.
I presume you don't want to believe this to be true:

"One MEP, reportedly Mike Hookem, called Woolfe a “joke”. Woolfe took his jacket off and said, “C’mon let’s settle this outside.”
Hookem allegedly followed Woolfe outside of the chamber and a fight, when both men threw punches, ensued."

Again, I'll inform you the news that you don't want to hear nor believe that in the Finnish equivalent for UKIP - The Basic Finns - they've had a few fights in and a lot of 'near fights' their internal meetings.
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Oct 5 2016, 03:48 PM
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Oct 5 2016, 03:04 PM
http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/may-reaffirms-desire-for-controlled-immigration-accused-of-nationalism/

May reaffirms desire for controlled immigration, accused of nationalism

Firms must list foreign workers
Plan to shame companies that turn down British companies

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Also on the same page: Ukip leader quits after three weeks

:lol:

Why I'm not surprised on either news?
You had no reason to be surprised by the first ... it's natural and logical after the recent UK referendum.

No one who has followed UKIP recently should be surprised by Diane James' resignation. She would have been very good but was sadly too sensitive for the role. I don't think the membership took her temperament into account when she won their support.

You'll be pleased to hear that Nigel Farage is stepping back into the role to become UKIP's interim leader? Farage will also be pleased to see Timo Soini has met British ministers in his role as Finland's foreign minister.

And how are things in Finland now? Your economy wasn't so hot, was it? 'Jobs' took your jobs, I heard, and you were described as the 'Sick Man of Europe', a title that used to describe the UK in the 1970s. Finland also had some trouble with sexual harrassment of women by asylum seekers, didn't it?
Technological advances we westerners have made, has had major influence to expand globalism - therefore we ourselves foremost are to blame spreading it and have become partial victims of it and our own behaviour and values.

This has resulted to multipolar world, to which we need to find ways (without war waging, unlike Russia) how to tackle those as representatives of the western values (including democracy, freedom of speech and human rights).

Finland is as well a victim of this, although the 2008 financial crisis hit us basically as one of the last countries. The most problematic reasons for still continued crisis are the too rigid local labour market structures, still derived from the 1970's. The current government has finally began to tear down these rigid structures. For your example, one of the major changes was to completely abolish restrictions in opening times for shops.


According to local public healthcare systems and private healthcare organizations helping people to deal with violence, including rapes, it is believed that over 10,000 rapes are annually happening in this country, by far mostly between family members and acquaintances. Roughly about 1,000 are annually reported to the police as crimes.
Last year, there was 15 cases where an asylum seeker was charged for rape crime and less than 20 for harrassment.

You do the math of the really real life.

(All crimes are to be handled equally - at least in theory but people are people also in jurisdictions - no matter who made the criminal act.)


Try better than the same ol' same ol' yada yada what I hear every single day in this country as well by too conservatives and nationalists. :biggrin:
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Oct 5 2016, 03:04 PM
http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/may-reaffirms-desire-for-controlled-immigration-accused-of-nationalism/

May reaffirms desire for controlled immigration, accused of nationalism

Firms must list foreign workers
Plan to shame companies that turn down British companies

---------------

Also on the same page: Ukip leader quits after three weeks

:lol:

Why I'm not surprised on either news?
You had no reason to be surprised by the first ... it's natural and logical after the recent UK referendum.

No one who has followed UKIP recently should be surprised by Diane James' resignation. She would have been very good but was sadly too sensitive for the role. I don't think the membership took her temperament into account when she won their support.

You'll be pleased to hear that Nigel Farage is stepping back into the role to become UKIP's interim leader? Farage will also be pleased to see Timo Soini has met British ministers in his role as Finland's foreign minister.

And how are things in Finland now? Your economy wasn't so hot, was it? 'Jobs' took your jobs, I heard, and you were described as the 'Sick Man of Europe', a title that used to describe the UK in the 1970s. Finland also had some trouble with sexual harrassment of women by asylum seekers, didn't it?
FYI: I'm now "under the hammer" of global competition as well. I could be out of work in about 6 weeks.

I don't hate globalism for it. Global world is here to stay because we westerners are responsible for it with our values, and other global forces have adopted it and they are the victims of it as well at some point.

In my case, it is currently rather a question of strategic business portfolio, not the question of who can do the job at lower costs.

In general, if being a case of transferring jobs from western countries to non-western low cost countries, it's rather a problem of the stakeholders who don't want to lose money. And who are the most stakeholders in companies across western countries, uh? With which values those are playing the game of being stakeholders? Greed, anyone?
Same applies in the newly emerged global business forces.

So, how does a society / the global world tackle with the basics of human behaviour: Greed?

As you want Brexit to happen, how do you plan to diminish the human greed in globalism as a non-EU, former global empire country on its own, which, in turn, doesn't want to break UK because of Brexit?

Please, explain the logic of Brexit in details, which MUST consider the similar situation Britain has as a member of the UK.
Waiting for your answer...


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https://www.facebook.com/notes/nicola-sturgeon/wearescotland/1235516486490265
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jar
Oct 5 2016, 03:04 PM
http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/may-reaffirms-desire-for-controlled-immigration-accused-of-nationalism/

May reaffirms desire for controlled immigration, accused of nationalism

Firms must list foreign workers
Plan to shame companies that turn down British companies

---------------

Also on the same page: Ukip leader quits after three weeks

:lol:

Why I'm not surprised on either news?
You had no reason to be surprised by the first ... it's natural and logical after the recent UK referendum.

No one who has followed UKIP recently should be surprised by Diane James' resignation. She would have been very good but was sadly too sensitive for the role. I don't think the membership took her temperament into account when she won their support.

You'll be pleased to hear that Nigel Farage is stepping back into the role to become UKIP's interim leader? Farage will also be pleased to see Timo Soini has met British ministers in his role as Finland's foreign minister.

And how are things in Finland now? Your economy wasn't so hot, was it? 'Jobs' took your jobs, I heard, and you were described as the 'Sick Man of Europe', a title that used to describe the UK in the 1970s. Finland also had some trouble with sexual harrassment of women by asylum seekers, didn't it?
FYI: I'm now "under the hammer" of global competition as well. I could be out of work in about 6 weeks.

I don't hate globalism for it. Global world is here to stay because we westerners are responsible for it with our values, and other global forces have adopted it and they are the victims of it as well at some point.

In my case, it is currently rather a question of strategic business portfolio, not the question of who can do the job at lower costs.

In general, if being a case of transferring jobs from western countries to non-western low cost countries, it's rather a problem of the stakeholders who don't want to lose money. And who are the most stakeholders in companies across western countries, uh? With which values those are playing the game of being stakeholders? Greed, anyone?
Same applies in the newly emerged global business forces.

So, how does a society / the global world tackle with the basics of human behaviour: Greed?

As you want Brexit to happen, how do you plan to diminish the human greed in globalism as a non-EU, former global empire country on its own, which, in turn, doesn't want to break UK because of Brexit?

Please, explain the logic of Brexit in details, which MUST consider the similar situation Britain has as a member of the UK.
Waiting for your answer...


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The only one that has any real validity there is GWB and the Monkey. :tongue:
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Oct 7 2016, 11:58 AM
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Oct 5 2016, 03:48 PM
jar
Oct 5 2016, 03:04 PM
http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/may-reaffirms-desire-for-controlled-immigration-accused-of-nationalism/

May reaffirms desire for controlled immigration, accused of nationalism

Firms must list foreign workers
Plan to shame companies that turn down British companies

---------------

Also on the same page: Ukip leader quits after three weeks

:lol:

Why I'm not surprised on either news?
You had no reason to be surprised by the first ... it's natural and logical after the recent UK referendum.

No one who has followed UKIP recently should be surprised by Diane James' resignation. She would have been very good but was sadly too sensitive for the role. I don't think the membership took her temperament into account when she won their support.

You'll be pleased to hear that Nigel Farage is stepping back into the role to become UKIP's interim leader? Farage will also be pleased to see Timo Soini has met British ministers in his role as Finland's foreign minister.

And how are things in Finland now? Your economy wasn't so hot, was it? 'Jobs' took your jobs, I heard, and you were described as the 'Sick Man of Europe', a title that used to describe the UK in the 1970s. Finland also had some trouble with sexual harrassment of women by asylum seekers, didn't it?
FYI: I'm now "under the hammer" of global competition as well. I could be out of work in about 6 weeks.

I don't hate globalism for it. Global world is here to stay because we westerners are responsible for it with our values, and other global forces have adopted it and they are the victims of it as well at some point.

In my case, it is currently rather a question of strategic business portfolio, not the question of who can do the job at lower costs.

In general, if being a case of transferring jobs from western countries to non-western low cost countries, it's rather a problem of the stakeholders who don't want to lose money. And who are the most stakeholders in companies across western countries, uh? With which values those are playing the game of being stakeholders? Greed, anyone?
Same applies in the newly emerged global business forces.

So, how does a society / the global world tackle with the basics of human behaviour: Greed?

As you want Brexit to happen, how do you plan to diminish the human greed in globalism as a non-EU, former global empire country on its own, which, in turn, doesn't want to break UK because of Brexit?

Please, explain the logic of Brexit in details, which MUST consider the similar situation Britain has as a member of the UK.
Waiting for your answer...


A couple years of unemployment could turn you into a raving nationalist................. ;)
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Oct 6 2016, 01:58 PM
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Oct 5 2016, 03:48 PM
jar
Oct 5 2016, 03:04 PM
http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/may-reaffirms-desire-for-controlled-immigration-accused-of-nationalism/

May reaffirms desire for controlled immigration, accused of nationalism

Firms must list foreign workers
Plan to shame companies that turn down British companies

---------------

Also on the same page: Ukip leader quits after three weeks

:lol:

Why I'm not surprised on either news?
You had no reason to be surprised by the first ... it's natural and logical after the recent UK referendum.

No one who has followed UKIP recently should be surprised by Diane James' resignation. She would have been very good but was sadly too sensitive for the role. I don't think the membership took her temperament into account when she won their support.

You'll be pleased to hear that Nigel Farage is stepping back into the role to become UKIP's interim leader? Farage will also be pleased to see Timo Soini has met British ministers in his role as Finland's foreign minister.

And how are things in Finland now? Your economy wasn't so hot, was it? 'Jobs' took your jobs, I heard, and you were described as the 'Sick Man of Europe', a title that used to describe the UK in the 1970s. Finland also had some trouble with sexual harrassment of women by asylum seekers, didn't it?
Technological advances we westerners have made, has had major influence to expand globalism - therefore we ourselves foremost are to blame spreading it and have become partial victims of it and our own behaviour and values.

This has resulted to multipolar world, to which we need to find ways (without war waging, unlike Russia) how to tackle those as representatives of the western values (including democracy, freedom of speech and human rights).

Finland is as well a victim of this, although the 2008 financial crisis hit us basically as one of the last countries. The most problematic reasons for still continued crisis are the too rigid local labour market structures, still derived from the 1970's. The current government has finally began to tear down these rigid structures. For your example, one of the major changes was to completely abolish restrictions in opening times for shops.


According to local public healthcare systems and private healthcare organizations helping people to deal with violence, including rapes, it is believed that over 10,000 rapes are annually happening in this country, by far mostly between family members and acquaintances. Roughly about 1,000 are annually reported to the police as crimes.
Last year, there was 15 cases where an asylum seeker was charged for rape crime and less than 20 for harrassment.

You do the math of the really real life.

(All crimes are to be handled equally - at least in theory but people are people also in jurisdictions - no matter who made the criminal act.)


Try better than the same ol' same ol' yada yada what I hear every single day in this country as well by too conservatives and nationalists. :biggrin:
Jar, the operative word in this is 'allegedly'. The two men were alone at the time of whatever happened so we don't what the truth is. What doesn't seem to be in dispute is that an argument took place about Steven Woolfe admitting to thinking about defecting to the Tories in one breath and then saying he wanted to stand for the leadership of UKIP in the next. That was bound to raise suspicion and anger from his colleagues. All in all it was without doubt a distateful incident and not a good week for UKIP after Diane James' resignation.

In the middle of it all, UKIP did win a local council seat by a very comfortable margin over their nearest rivals, Labour, last week. (Local council seats are traditionally won on a very small number of votes and with a much smaller electorate than general elections, but still this was encouraging for the party.)

If Mike Hookem did punch Steven Woolfe, it wouldn't be the first time two British politicians have fought. Two Labour politicians fought in the House of Commons and the police were called to deal with one of them. Luckily there were no serious injuries. Another Labour politician (and a staunch EU supporter) threw a punch at a member of the public. There was no alleged about this incident ... it was in public with dozens of witnesses and caught on camera for posterity too. Conservative politicians traditionally use far more subversive methods to deal with opponents on their own side, though one was deeply shamed when he swung the mace over his head in anger in Parliament at the action of some Labour opponents. Politics is passionate and so it should be, even if these passions or 'near fights' do occasionally go too far.



Replies to the other issues raised here to follow.
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Technological advances we westerners have made, has had major influence to expand globalism - therefore we ourselves foremost are to blame spreading it and have become partial victims of it and our own behaviour and values.

This has resulted to multipolar world, to which we need to find ways (without war waging, unlike Russia) how to tackle those as representatives of the western values (including democracy, freedom of speech and human rights).

Finland is as well a victim of this, although the 2008 financial crisis hit us basically as one of the last countries. The most problematic reasons for still continued crisis are the too rigid local labour market structures, still derived from the 1970's. The current government has finally began to tear down these rigid structures. For your example, one of the major changes was to completely abolish restrictions in opening times for shops.

You and the people you support don't have a monopoly on Western values. The EU especially has a very dubious claim to them.

And Finland's re-structuring sounds a lot like Thatcherism in action, but I whatever I hope they work for you.


According to local public healthcare systems and private healthcare organizations helping people to deal with violence, including rapes, it is believed that over 10,000 rapes are annually happening in this country, by far mostly between family members and acquaintances. Roughly about 1,000 are annually reported to the police as crimes.
Last year, there was 15 cases where an asylum seeker was charged for rape crime and less than 20 for harrassment.

You do the math of the really real life.

(All crimes are to be handled equally - at least in theory but people are people also in jurisdictions - no matter who made the criminal act.)


Try better than the same ol' same ol' yada yada what I hear every single day in this country as well by too conservatives and nationalists. :biggrin:
Finland's reforms sound a lot like Thatcherism. Whatever, I hope they work out for you. And incidentally (and no doubt I'm wasting my time saying it) I haven't blamed anyone for globalisation.

Do the maths based on officially sanctioned statistics? Local and national authorites told us for years that our concerns about child grooming gangs were unfounded and we know that to be nonsense now, and of course how mass immigration has supposedly benefited us. We take their maths with a very large pinch of salt.

So Finland's asylum seekers are not a problem, but despite this Finnish authorities are concerned about the rising number of sexual assaults and asylum seekers are being offered classes in Finnish values and how to treat women by Finland's immigration service. Maybe that will stop some other poor girl being raped. Or maybe someone should offer all Finland's men the same course as Finland is now one of the most dangerous countries in the Europe to be a woman? Is that what you meant when you said the really real life?

Finland's women must really appreciate your values and your :biggrin: .


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FYI: I'm now "under the hammer" of global competition as well. I could be out of work in about 6 weeks.

I don't hate globalism for it. Global world is here to stay because we westerners are responsible for it with our values, and other global forces have adopted it and they are the victims of it as well at some point.

In my case, it is currently rather a question of strategic business portfolio, not the question of who can do the job at lower costs.

In general, if being a case of transferring jobs from western countries to non-western low cost countries, it's rather a problem of the stakeholders who don't want to lose money. And who are the most stakeholders in companies across western countries, uh? With which values those are playing the game of being stakeholders? Greed, anyone?
Same applies in the newly emerged global business forces.

So, how does a society / the global world tackle with the basics of human behaviour: Greed?

As you want Brexit to happen, how do you plan to diminish the human greed in globalism as a non-EU, former global empire country on its own, which, in turn, doesn't want to break UK because of Brexit?

Please, explain the logic of Brexit in details, which MUST consider the similar situation Britain has as a member of the UK.
Waiting for your answer...


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I don't hate globalism. It's a fact of life in the modern, connected world.

It's for politicians to say how policies, including those to tackle 'greed', are managed. One thing I would say is that it is counter productive to allow these policies to be controlled by those who are barely accountable to those they are meant to be governing. There is no effective method to stop their excesses and they are far too friendly with the greedy and have become infected with it themselves anyway.

A certain amount of greed is a good thing. Profit is not a dirty word provided it is not derived from exploitation and unopposed and unaccountable power. If it is, politicians must have the power and the will to deal with it. For that too happen they must be answerable to the people, and that for me means hard Brexit.

You'll have to wait for 'Brexit in details' when the government invokes Article 50 as I and everyone else will. If it's not satisfactory, the government will find it will be fighting for its life come the next general election.
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Oct 7 2016, 12:19 PM
Nicola Sturgeon has her point of view, and has the right to argue for it, but others disagree ... the leader of the Tories in Scotland, for instance, at the recent Tory party conference (although she voted remain in the Brexit referendum).

"I am aware how Scottish politics can sometimes look. You see Nicola Sturgeon on the TV most weeks telling you how Scotland is up in arms – again.…threatening the break-up of Britain. Asserting independence is closer now than ever before. Declaring separation is somehow inevitable. Today, speaking to people here from across the UK, I want to make this clear. Don’t believe a word of it. There is nothing inevitable about the break-up of this great nation…and I for one will fight it every inch and so will thousands with me.

The SNP doesn’t speak for all of Scotland. And nor does it have the right to. Every nation is bigger than any one party – bigger than any one person. And Scotland is bigger, more varied, more complex than the nation the SNP would like to pretend. So, next time you see Nicola Sturgeon picking a fight, or trying to claim the United Kingdom is over – Remember, she does not speak for the country. And, when she threatens to put yet another divisive referendum back on the table, the nation is not behind her. She’s not speaking for the majority. Because the majority of us want to move on."

Ruth Davidson's speech in full.

I do disagree with the plan to force companies to list how many foreign workers they employ. That shouldn't be necessary, and I very much doubt it will ever be used. Foreign workers will still be welcome, but there'll just be fewer of them. The age of mass immigration is over.
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Homophobic attacks in UK rose 147% in three months after Brexit vote


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/08/homophobic-attacks-double-after-brexit-vote

http://www.galop.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/The-Hate-Crime-Report-2016.pdf
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Oct 9 2016, 11:40 AM
Because an officially sanctioned charity finds it did. It must be true then. :rollseyes:
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Because an officially sanctioned charity finds it did. It must be true then. :rollseyes:
Under which assumptions in the life of human race, why it wouldn't be? Has that organization been responsible for violence like UKIP has?

You seem to spend a lot of energy in your life to find ANY excuse that Brexit would not have affected the masses of people who are just behaving according to what Brexit is basically all about: Nationalism, racism, hatred to anything outsider, anything deviating from the "normality" as defined by the hard-line conservatism, its values and how those values have manifested themselves.

Those are the basics of Fixit as well, and the basic reasons why Europe is close to repeating the history for destroying itself again by these repressive and violent values of human behaviour.
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