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EU referendum results live: Brexit most likely outcome says leading pollster
Topic Started: Jun 23 2016, 09:09 PM (12,011 Views)
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jar
Oct 11 2016, 01:47 PM
Nan Tucks Ghost
Oct 9 2016, 04:27 PM
jar
Oct 9 2016, 11:40 AM
Because an officially sanctioned charity finds it did. It must be true then. :rollseyes:
Under which assumptions in the life of human race, why it wouldn't be? Has that organization been responsible for violence like UKIP has?

You seem to spend a lot of energy in your life to find ANY excuse that Brexit would not have affected the masses of people who are just behaving according to what Brexit is basically all about: Nationalism, racism, hatred to anything outsider, anything deviating from the "normality" as defined by the hard-line conservatism, its values and how those values have manifested themselves.

Those are the basics of Fixit as well, and the basic reasons why Europe is close to repeating the history for destroying itself again by these repressive and violent values of human behaviour.
What are you talking about? A couple of politicians had a disagreement, the facts of which are unknown because they were unwitnessed, and you think UKIP is responsible for violence? That’s a really weak argument, even by your standards. You have no idea what Brexit is about. Brexit is about democracy, but you don’t even want to know anything which might unsettle your prejudices … that much is clear.

'That organisation' found something which suited its agenda. It is hardly an independent source. Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Why do you spend so much energy on an issue over which you can have no interest (unless you think other countries will follow the UK’s lead and leave.) That’s it, isn’t it? You’re worried for your precious EU’s survival. I can’t help you with that.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-13/british-panic-over-marmite-shows-brexit-just-got-real
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jar
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Because an officially sanctioned charity finds it did. It must be true then. :rollseyes:
Under which assumptions in the life of human race, why it wouldn't be? Has that organization been responsible for violence like UKIP has?

You seem to spend a lot of energy in your life to find ANY excuse that Brexit would not have affected the masses of people who are just behaving according to what Brexit is basically all about: Nationalism, racism, hatred to anything outsider, anything deviating from the "normality" as defined by the hard-line conservatism, its values and how those values have manifested themselves.

Those are the basics of Fixit as well, and the basic reasons why Europe is close to repeating the history for destroying itself again by these repressive and violent values of human behaviour.
Europe needs to destroy itself. Independent Nations is the best policy. :cheers:
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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Oct 11 2016, 04:29 PM
jar
Oct 11 2016, 01:47 PM
Nan Tucks Ghost
Oct 9 2016, 04:27 PM
Under which assumptions in the life of human race, why it wouldn't be? Has that organization been responsible for violence like UKIP has?

You seem to spend a lot of energy in your life to find ANY excuse that Brexit would not have affected the masses of people who are just behaving according to what Brexit is basically all about: Nationalism, racism, hatred to anything outsider, anything deviating from the "normality" as defined by the hard-line conservatism, its values and how those values have manifested themselves.

Those are the basics of Fixit as well, and the basic reasons why Europe is close to repeating the history for destroying itself again by these repressive and violent values of human behaviour.
What are you talking about? A couple of politicians had a disagreement, the facts of which are unknown because they were unwitnessed, and you think UKIP is responsible for violence? That’s a really weak argument, even by your standards. You have no idea what Brexit is about. Brexit is about democracy, but you don’t even want to know anything which might unsettle your prejudices … that much is clear.

'That organisation' found something which suited its agenda. It is hardly an independent source. Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Why do you spend so much energy on an issue over which you can have no interest (unless you think other countries will follow the UK’s lead and leave.) That’s it, isn’t it? You’re worried for your precious EU’s survival. I can’t help you with that.
Just trying to make you realize the realities of human life what are the real reasons behind the facades for Brexit to happen, instead of your very naive belief that 'All's good in good ol' England'.

The supporters of Fixit (Finland Exit from the EU) are the similar people with similar political views, having same base of values (nationalism being the most visible and obvious one) and with the support of neo-nazi groups having their own agenda to promote and trying once again to get control over Europe in most European countries, including England.

It is likely that when England is gone from the EU, the rest EU countries have more freedoms to build EU according to common European values (not giving up everything to commercialism such as the fights between ideological values in tabloid papers - what is a major cause for Brexit to happen), including common defense policies, which is a step away from NATO.
However, as I hope you really know and understand that nationalism has been well on the rise in most European countries, and which has meant its realities showing the ugly face what it is in reality once masses of people are willing to accept it. Under the threat are also the very basics of western values: democracy, freedom of speech and press, freedom of religion and nowadays also universal human rights. I suggest you should read these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_British_Bill_of_Rights
http://www.euronews.com/2016/08/28/uk-to-scrap-human-rights-act

All the social medias are full of these people willing to suppress all these freedoms all over the world where social media is allowed to exist, Facebook included. Some of my work colleagues, my friends and acquaintances, including some family members, have shown their personal psychological problems by seeing threats everywhere from something coming from anything "outside", which they consider as "outsiders". This is also a reality for some Finnish people I know, who have experience of life in many countries and are currently living even outside European borders, some with a local family there, with but still they spew out these uber-nationalistic propaganda posts regularly.
This is the reality of what nationalism IS causing in the life of us humans today.

BTW, as this same thing is happening in the USA currently, the same phenomenon has caused severe problems between family members, and when the USA is in question, I see it a very reality that in some families murders are happening because of these political issues.

Like I already said: You cannot control it. Other realities of the values and views you believe in have taken over the control of what YOU have hoped and believed in. Those are thousands of times more scary than the "influx of muslims" from the war zones of today.
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Oct 11 2016, 04:29 PM
jar
Oct 11 2016, 01:47 PM
What are you talking about? A couple of politicians had a disagreement, the facts of which are unknown because they were unwitnessed, and you think UKIP is responsible for violence? That’s a really weak argument, even by your standards. You have no idea what Brexit is about. Brexit is about democracy, but you don’t even want to know anything which might unsettle your prejudices … that much is clear.

'That organisation' found something which suited its agenda. It is hardly an independent source. Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Why do you spend so much energy on an issue over which you can have no interest (unless you think other countries will follow the UK’s lead and leave.) That’s it, isn’t it? You’re worried for your precious EU’s survival. I can’t help you with that.
Just trying to make you realize the realities of human life what are the real reasons behind the facades for Brexit to happen, instead of your very naive belief that 'All's good in good ol' England'.

The supporters of Fixit (Finland Exit from the EU) are the similar people with similar political views, having same base of values (nationalism being the most visible and obvious one) and with the support of neo-nazi groups having their own agenda to promote and trying once again to get control over Europe in most European countries, including England.

It is likely that when England is gone from the EU, the rest EU countries have more freedoms to build EU according to common European values (not giving up everything to commercialism such as the fights between ideological values in tabloid papers - what is a major cause for Brexit to happen), including common defense policies, which is a step away from NATO.
However, as I hope you really know and understand that nationalism has been well on the rise in most European countries, and which has meant its realities showing the ugly face what it is in reality once masses of people are willing to accept it. Under the threat are also the very basics of western values: democracy, freedom of speech and press, freedom of religion and nowadays also universal human rights. I suggest you should read these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_British_Bill_of_Rights
http://www.euronews.com/2016/08/28/uk-to-scrap-human-rights-act

All the social medias are full of these people willing to suppress all these freedoms all over the world where social media is allowed to exist, Facebook included. Some of my work colleagues, my friends and acquaintances, including some family members, have shown their personal psychological problems by seeing threats everywhere from something coming from anything "outside", which they consider as "outsiders". This is also a reality for some Finnish people I know, who have experience of life in many countries and are currently living even outside European borders, some with a local family there, with but still they spew out these uber-nationalistic propaganda posts regularly.
This is the reality of what nationalism IS causing in the life of us humans today.

BTW, as this same thing is happening in the USA currently, the same phenomenon has caused severe problems between family members, and when the USA is in question, I see it a very reality that in some families murders are happening because of these political issues.

Like I already said: You cannot control it. Other realities of the values and views you believe in have taken over the control of what YOU have hoped and believed in. Those are thousands of times more scary than the "influx of muslims" from the war zones of today.
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Is you or me? :dunno:
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Oct 11 2016, 01:47 PM
What are you talking about? A couple of politicians had a disagreement, the facts of which are unknown because they were unwitnessed, and you think UKIP is responsible for violence? That’s a really weak argument, even by your standards. You have no idea what Brexit is about. Brexit is about democracy, but you don’t even want to know anything which might unsettle your prejudices … that much is clear.

'That organisation' found something which suited its agenda. It is hardly an independent source. Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Why do you spend so much energy on an issue over which you can have no interest (unless you think other countries will follow the UK’s lead and leave.) That’s it, isn’t it? You’re worried for your precious EU’s survival. I can’t help you with that.
Just trying to make you realize the realities of human life what are the real reasons behind the facades for Brexit to happen, instead of your very naive belief that 'All's good in good ol' England'.

The supporters of Fixit (Finland Exit from the EU) are the similar people with similar political views, having same base of values (nationalism being the most visible and obvious one) and with the support of neo-nazi groups having their own agenda to promote and trying once again to get control over Europe in most European countries, including England.

It is likely that when England is gone from the EU, the rest EU countries have more freedoms to build EU according to common European values (not giving up everything to commercialism such as the fights between ideological values in tabloid papers - what is a major cause for Brexit to happen), including common defense policies, which is a step away from NATO.
However, as I hope you really know and understand that nationalism has been well on the rise in most European countries, and which has meant its realities showing the ugly face what it is in reality once masses of people are willing to accept it. Under the threat are also the very basics of western values: democracy, freedom of speech and press, freedom of religion and nowadays also universal human rights. I suggest you should read these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_British_Bill_of_Rights
http://www.euronews.com/2016/08/28/uk-to-scrap-human-rights-act

All the social medias are full of these people willing to suppress all these freedoms all over the world where social media is allowed to exist, Facebook included. Some of my work colleagues, my friends and acquaintances, including some family members, have shown their personal psychological problems by seeing threats everywhere from something coming from anything "outside", which they consider as "outsiders". This is also a reality for some Finnish people I know, who have experience of life in many countries and are currently living even outside European borders, some with a local family there, with but still they spew out these uber-nationalistic propaganda posts regularly.
This is the reality of what nationalism IS causing in the life of us humans today.

BTW, as this same thing is happening in the USA currently, the same phenomenon has caused severe problems between family members, and when the USA is in question, I see it a very reality that in some families murders are happening because of these political issues.

Like I already said: You cannot control it. Other realities of the values and views you believe in have taken over the control of what YOU have hoped and believed in. Those are thousands of times more scary than the "influx of muslims" from the war zones of today.

Scaremongering from an EU supporter. Plus ça change.

Like most of the world’s democratically run countries, the UK will be governed with sensible regard for its own citizens, immigrants who are already here, immigrants who are given the right to enter, and other overseas visitors, and will also cooperate with its neighbours and international bodies, including of course the European Union whenever possible. We’re quite capable of organising our own human rights without needing to refer to the European Court of Human Rights. Your fear of an independent UK is completely irrational. Have a little faith.

And why, oh why, must you persistently misrepresent my views??? I haven’t EVER said that all’s well in England. It isn’t.

When the UK leaves (and Scotland would have to apply for membership in the unlikely event it leaves the UK and wishes to be an EU member state), the EU can do whatever it wishes assuming it has the support of other Europeans. As that’s what we both want, why are you trying to convince me that it is a mistake for the UK to leave when you know I don’t think much of the EU’s values, and think the EU you’re creating in your head doesn’t and will never exist.

People in Northern Ireland don’t seem overly concerned with ‘European values’, but worry about the closure of the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. I doubt there’ll be a hard border between the two after Brexit as, like the UK, the Republic is not part of the Schengen zone. It may be though that Northern Ireland will want to join the Republic anyway, but that should be a decision made by the majority there.

I know very little about politics in Finland, but I do know I have no problems with anyone who shares my values. Neo-Nazis don’t and I’m getting pretty fed up with your inference that they do. Nor can anything I have ever said have led you to believe otherwise, so this is the last time I’m going to answer this offensive, groundless charge. You’re creating a parody of a leave supporter that just isn’t applicable to the vast majority of leavers.
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Panic over Marmite. :rotflmao:

There's been no panic, just a lot of cynicism about Unilever's shameless profiteering. And the issue has now been resolved.



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jar
Oct 9 2016, 11:40 AM
Because an officially sanctioned charity finds it did. It must be true then. :rollseyes:
Under which assumptions in the life of human race, why it wouldn't be? Has that organization been responsible for violence like UKIP has?

You seem to spend a lot of energy in your life to find ANY excuse that Brexit would not have affected the masses of people who are just behaving according to what Brexit is basically all about: Nationalism, racism, hatred to anything outsider, anything deviating from the "normality" as defined by the hard-line conservatism, its values and how those values have manifested themselves.

Those are the basics of Fixit as well, and the basic reasons why Europe is close to repeating the history for destroying itself again by these repressive and violent values of human behaviour.
European cultures, which have taken hundreds of years to develop, have been set ablaze by globalization and open borders...Who benefits from these new gifts of "human evolution" ???....Only our neo-feudal masters---Big banks and multinational corporations........... :booboo:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Oct 13 2016, 02:51 PM
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Oct 11 2016, 04:29 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttps://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/08/homophobic-attacks-double-after-brexit-vote

http://www.galop.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/The-Hate-Crime-Report-2016.pdfyou spend so much energy on an issue over which you can have no interest (unless you think other countries will follow the UK’s lead and leave.) That’s it, isn’t it? You’re worried for your precious EU’s survival. I can’t help you with that.
Just trying to make you realize the realities of human life what are the real reasons behind the facades for Brexit to happen, instead of your very naive belief that 'All's good in good ol' England'.

The supporters of Fixit (Finland Exit from the EU) are the similar people with similar political views, having same base of values (nationalism being the most visible and obvious one) and with the support of neo-nazi groups having their own agenda to promote and trying once again to get control over Europe in most European countries, including England.

It is likely that when England is gone from the EU, the rest EU countries have more freedoms to build EU according to common European values (not giving up everything to commercialism such as the fights between ideological values in tabloid papers - what is a major cause for Brexit to happen), including common defense policies, which is a step away from NATO.
However, as I hope you really know and understand that nationalism has been well on the rise in most European countries, and which has meant its realities showing the ugly face what it is in reality once masses of people are willing to accept it. Under the threat are also the very basics of western values: democracy, freedom of speech and press, freedom of religion and nowadays also universal human rights. I suggest you should read these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_British_Bill_of_Rights
http://www.euronews.com/2016/08/28/uk-to-scrap-human-rights-act

All the social medias are full of these people willing to suppress all these freedoms all over the world where social media is allowed to exist, Facebook included. Some of my work colleagues, my friends and acquaintances, including some family members, have shown their personal psychological problems by seeing threats everywhere from something coming from anything "outside", which they consider as "outsiders". This is also a reality for some Finnish people I know, who have experience of life in many countries and are currently living even outside European borders, some with a local family there, with but still they spew out these uber-nationalistic propaganda posts regularly.
This is the reality of what nationalism IS causing in the life of us humans today.

BTW, as this same thing is happening in the USA currently, the same phenomenon has caused severe problems between family members, and when the USA is in question, I see it a very reality that in some families murders are happening because of these political issues.

Like I already said: You cannot control it. Other realities of the values and views you believe in have taken over the control of what YOU have hoped and believed in. Those are thousands of times more scary than the "influx of muslims" from the war zones of today.

Scaremongering from an EU supporter. Plus ça change.

Like most of the world’s democratically run countries, the UK will be governed with sensible regard for its own citizens, immigrants who are already here, immigrants who are given the right to enter, and other overseas visitors, and will also cooperate with its neighbours and international bodies, including of course the European Union whenever possible. We’re quite capable of organising our own human rights without needing to refer to the European Court of Human Rights. Your fear of an independent UK is completely irrational. Have a little faith.

And why, oh why, must you persistently misrepresent my views??? I haven’t EVER said that all’s well in England. It isn’t.

When the UK leaves (and Scotland would have to apply for membership in the unlikely event it leaves the UK and wishes to be an EU member state), the EU can do whatever it wishes assuming it has the support of other Europeans. As that’s what we both want, why are you trying to convince me that it is a mistake for the UK to leave when you know I don’t think much of the EU’s values, and think the EU you’re creating in your head doesn’t and will never exist.

People in Northern Ireland don’t seem overly concerned with ‘European values’, but worry about the closure of the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. I doubt there’ll be a hard border between the two after Brexit as, like the UK, the Republic is not part of the Schengen zone. It may be though that Northern Ireland will want to join the Republic anyway, but that should be a decision made by the majority there.

I know very little about politics in Finland, but I do know I have no problems with anyone who shares my values. Neo-Nazis don’t and I’m getting pretty fed up with your inference that they do. Nor can anything I have ever said have led you to believe otherwise, so this is the last time I’m going to answer this offensive, groundless charge. You’re creating a parody of a leave supporter that just isn’t applicable to the vast majority of leavers.
I doubt that you actually ready any of the links I introduced about human rights.

Here's a clip for you from one of them:
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"UK role
The UK played an important role in the drafting of the Convention,[27] with figures such as Arthur Goodhart, John Foster and the UK-based Hersch Lauterpacht providing the impetus for the creation of the Council of Europe in 1949 as a means of guarding against the rise of new dictatorships and to provide the citizens of Soviet-occupied countries with a beacon of hope.[citation needed]

The initiative in producing a legally binding human rights agreement had already been taken by the International Council of the European Movement, an organisation whose cause had been championed by Winston Churchill and Harold Macmillan, and whose international juridical section (counting Lauterpacht and Maxwell Fyfe amongst its members) had produced a draft convention.[citation needed]

Chaired by Maxwell Fyfe and the former French Resistance leader Pierre-Henri Teitgen, the Legal Committee of the Council of Europe's Consultative Assembly proposed that the Council's Committee of Ministers draw up a convention which would take in and ensure the effective enjoyment of the rights proclaimed in the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 10 December 1948, as well as establishing a European Court and Commission of Human Rights. The Committee agreed and the text of what was to become the European Convention of Human Rights was in the main drafted by Sir Oscar Dowson, a retired senior legal adviser to the Home Office.[28]
"
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In other chapters, there are also historical reasons explained why some people "gave some concern" about the Convention. Are you willing to read about those reasons regarding the history of Britain's former empire status?

Well, that figures that you'd be ready to at least partially scrap human rights which UK itself has had a high influence on in the first place to be part of the rights for us human beings after WW1 and WW2 happened.
Nothing new there. That is part of nationalistic movements and ideologies - regardless of nationality - that human rights has lower value once again also in MAJOR western nations than the basics of what these human rights were originally drawn for.

To me, you're just expressing your relentless hatred towards anything non-nationalistic, which is a phenomenon itself to be scared of after the true realities it caused in the first part of 1900's.
Obviously, you're not willing to draw any relations to absolutely anything related to the history of us human beings - regardless of nationality.

You're "a lost soul" in this matter...
We have millions of these lost souls in Europe today, and that's the REAL scary part, REGARDING the real European history, especially now when Russia is using every single card it can find to destroy the abdominance of the history of the so called western nations. That includes Britain/UK, whether your want to believe it as a reality or not. I see that you just don't understand enough of human life nor the history of us human cultures to be able to see how international politics (including technological advances) has, can and will change entire life of humans. The history in the future when we currently living people and also writing in this forum are all gone, will be also considered as history, and we are all depending on that history in our own time when looking back at the history.

You want to live in your very closed society because the values of what you are trying to express (as explained in the Asterix comic series) will lead to that in the reality of us human beings - unless we are able to co-operate with each other with give-and-take principals in mind.

So, I gather that you're here in this forum just to express the problems in your own life and this is a one of the psychological ways to let out the steam in your personal life - like the millions of other lost souls in the world trying to cope with their daily life but without the willingness and the ability to take any kind of responsibility of themselves nor the values what are behind of how they act, right?
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Sorry, rephrasing the following sentence (didn't have enough time to edit it):
"You want to live in your very closed society because the values of what you are trying to express (as explained in the Asterix comic series) will lead to that in the reality of us human beings - unless we are able to co-operate with each other with give-and-take principals in mind. "

to:

You want to live in your very closed society but the values of what you are trying to express (as explained in the Asterix comic series) will in no way lead to that in the reality of us human beings unless we are able to co-operate with each other with give-and-take principals in mind. "
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Under which assumptions in the life of human race, why it wouldn't be? Has that organization been responsible for violence like UKIP has?

You seem to spend a lot of energy in your life to find ANY excuse that Brexit would not have affected the masses of people who are just behaving according to what Brexit is basically all about: Nationalism, racism, hatred to anything outsider, anything deviating from the "normality" as defined by the hard-line conservatism, its values and how those values have manifested themselves.

Those are the basics of Fixit as well, and the basic reasons why Europe is close to repeating the history for destroying itself again by these repressive and violent values of human behaviour.
European cultures, which have taken hundreds of years to develop, have been set ablaze by globalization and open borders...Who benefits from these new gifts of "human evolution" ???....Only our neo-feudal masters---Big banks and multinational corporations........... :booboo:
:moonbat:

:oyvey

:zzz:

:violin:





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European cultures, which have taken hundreds of years to develop, have been set ablaze by globalization and open borders...Who benefits from these new gifts of "human evolution" ???....Only our neo-feudal masters---Big banks and multinational corporations........... :booboo:
:moonbat:

:oyvey

:zzz:

:violin:





Hitler promised a "United Europe" with Germany being the dominant party...The EU fulfilled Hitler's dream, with Germany being the dominant party........... :rotflmao:
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Hitler promised a "United Europe" with Germany being the dominant party...The EU fulfilled Hitler's dream, with Germany being the dominant party........... :rotflmao:
:moonbat:

:oyvey

:zzz:

:violin:

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Hitler promised a "United Europe" with Germany being the dominant party...The EU fulfilled Hitler's dream, with Germany being the dominant party........... :rotflmao:
:moonbat:

:oyvey

:zzz:

:violin:

The EU saviors of Europe simply inverted Hitler's UE...Either way, it spells the economic domination of the European people.............. :)
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Sorry, rephrasing the following sentence (didn't have enough time to edit it):
"You want to live in your very closed society because the values of what you are trying to express (as explained in the Asterix comic series) will lead to that in the reality of us human beings - unless we are able to co-operate with each other with give-and-take principals in mind. "

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You want to live in your very closed society but the values of what you are trying to express (as explained in the Asterix comic series) will in no way lead to that in the reality of us human beings unless we are able to co-operate with each other with give-and-take principals in mind. "
I didn’t read any of the links as I’m already well versed in the human rights issue and the UK’s and EU’s roles in it, and you have entirely misrepresented my views (again) in saying I want to scrap human rights, partially or otherwise. It’s a completely absurd suggestion, as are the suggestions that I’m here to express personal problems and want to live in a closed society.
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Sorry, rephrasing the following sentence (didn't have enough time to edit it):
"You want to live in your very closed society because the values of what you are trying to express (as explained in the Asterix comic series) will lead to that in the reality of us human beings - unless we are able to co-operate with each other with give-and-take principals in mind. "

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You want to live in your very closed society but the values of what you are trying to express (as explained in the Asterix comic series) will in no way lead to that in the reality of us human beings unless we are able to co-operate with each other with give-and-take principals in mind. "
I didn’t read any of the links as I’m already well versed in the human rights issue and the UK’s and EU’s roles in it, and you have entirely misrepresented my views (again) in saying I want to scrap human rights, partially or otherwise. It’s a completely absurd suggestion, as are the suggestions that I’m here to express personal problems and want to live in a closed society.
So, why it is so hard for you to really talk about the real issues behind the support for Brexit?

All you can do is to refer to EU being the "undemocratic monster who takes our independence away". This is extremely common viewpoint existing all over Europe with the people who have extremely much in common in values of human life.
My question has, is and will be: How does the EU take away your independence? This means that you will need to define and put it into words your concept of what independence means to your personally. That requires some intelligence and understanding of yourself as a person and a human being.

For example, you must have heard already about the Wallonia case, which is a good phenomenon of democracy in Europe and within the EU as well. A small part of a single country in the EU can affect how the EU behaves trying to cope within the global world already existing as they could have blocked the CETA agreement between the EU and Canada.

I hope by now you start to begin to understand how difficult the Brexit will be for Britain, as a single country in the EU can also block the British wishes for the Brexit.
Do also remember that the Brexit vote was a pretty close call, so I do see a bit similar internal problems in Britain as the US is going through with the two-party system and what it has resulted to: Extreme division of a country.

Sorry, but I'm no fooled by the likes of similar people having same base of values but having the same problems to express themselves what they truly want in today's world and any kind of plans how those wishes could be realized in a society.
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Oct 14 2016, 01:35 PM
Sorry, rephrasing the following sentence (didn't have enough time to edit it):
"You want to live in your very closed society because the values of what you are trying to express (as explained in the Asterix comic series) will lead to that in the reality of us human beings - unless we are able to co-operate with each other with give-and-take principals in mind. "

to:

You want to live in your very closed society but the values of what you are trying to express (as explained in the Asterix comic series) will in no way lead to that in the reality of us human beings unless we are able to co-operate with each other with give-and-take principals in mind. "
I didn’t read any of the links as I’m already well versed in the human rights issue and the UK’s and EU’s roles in it, and you have entirely misrepresented my views (again) in saying I want to scrap human rights, partially or otherwise. It’s a completely absurd suggestion, as are the suggestions that I’m here to express personal problems and want to live in a closed society.
So, why it is so hard for you to really talk about the real issues behind the support for Brexit?

All you can do is to refer to EU being the "undemocratic monster who takes our independence away". This is extremely common viewpoint existing all over Europe with the people who have extremely much in common in values of human life.
My question has, is and will be: How does the EU take away your independence? This means that you will need to define and put it into words your concept of what independence means to your personally. That requires some intelligence and understanding of yourself as a person and a human being.

For example, you must have heard already about the Wallonia case, which is a good phenomenon of democracy in Europe and within the EU as well. A small part of a single country in the EU can affect how the EU behaves trying to cope within the global world already existing as they could have blocked the CETA agreement between the EU and Canada.

I hope by now you start to begin to understand how difficult the Brexit will be for Britain, as a single country in the EU can also block the British wishes for the Brexit.
Do also remember that the Brexit vote was a pretty close call, so I do see a bit similar internal problems in Britain as the US is going through with the two-party system and what it has resulted to: Extreme division of a country.

Sorry, but I'm no fooled by the likes of similar people having same base of values but having the same problems to express themselves what they truly want in today's world and any kind of plans how those wishes could be realized in a society.


It isn't hard to talk about the real issues behind Brexit at all. The EU is too anti-democratic, too corrupt, too sclerotic, too bureaucratic, too wasteful, too vain and too inclined to put its own grandiose plans above the interests of Europeans. The UK can govern itself more effectively, and more accountably to its own citizens, as an independent state. I know you disagree and that's fine ... I have no problem with your support for the EU, provided the UK is not part of the EU's plan of government. The EU is undemocratic ... it's an extremely common POV among realists for very good reason. There ... talked about the issues. OK now?

In answer to your independence question: The EU takes away the UK's independence because its rulings take precedence over the UK's own in most spheres of government regardless of what elected UK politicians want now, and of course in the future had we voted to remain (and the implications of that are really quite unsettling). It means that my vote in UK elections is worth much less than a vote in an independent state. That's really quite personal to me as a human being, even if your equivalent rights are not to you.

Wallonia's attempt to hold up the CETA, already seven years in the negotiating, is hardly an advertisement for the EU. Wallonia with its mere 3.5m population attempted to hold up an agreement affecting the populations of the rest of the EU and Canada. I'd have no objection at all had it had the power to control or influence EU decisions that affect only Wallonia or even the rest of Belgium, but of course it does not. No, the UK is better off negotiating its own trade deals.

I understand completely that the EU wants to make Brexit difficult for Britain, but it will be utterly foolish if it tries that. Do you really think it will risk millions of European jobs for its political aims? Just how popular do you think it wants to be with Europeans? I have asked you this before, but it's an issue you don't seem to be willing to think about. That the EU even talks such a strategy shows its values for what they are: vain, controlling, economically illiterate and ridiculously arrogant and illustrates perfectly why the UK will be better off out.

The referendm result was 48% remain, 52% leave and that means over a million more voted to leave than to remain. This 'extreme division' is a product of bitter remainers' imagination. It's true that a vocal minority here cannot accept the result (including our own ex-prime minister, Tony Blair) but most remain voters now accept it, especially as the scaremongering predictions have been proved completely wrong in almost every respect, so far at least.

There's nothing base about my values, nor the values of any other Brexiter I know. You can keep droning on about this, Jar, but that won't change. (Did you know that the much reported spike in 'hate crimes' included thousands of people who complained about Nigel Farage's part in the referendum campaign?)
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Because an officially sanctioned charity finds it did. It must be true then. :rollseyes:
Under which assumptions in the life of human race, why it wouldn't be? Has that organization been responsible for violence like UKIP has?

You seem to spend a lot of energy in your life to find ANY excuse that Brexit would not have affected the masses of people who are just behaving according to what Brexit is basically all about: Nationalism, racism, hatred to anything outsider, anything deviating from the "normality" as defined by the hard-line conservatism, its values and how those values have manifested themselves.

Those are the basics of Fixit as well, and the basic reasons why Europe is close to repeating the history for destroying itself again by these repressive and violent values of human behaviour.
What are you talking about? A couple of politicians had a disagreement, the facts of which are unknown because they were unwitnessed, and you think UKIP is responsible for violence? That’s a really weak argument, even by your standards. You have no idea what Brexit is about. Brexit is about democracy, but you don’t even want to know anything which might unsettle your prejudices … that much is clear.

'That organisation' found something which suited its agenda. It is hardly an independent source. Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Why do you spend so much energy on an issue over which you can have no interest (unless you think other countries will follow the UK’s lead and leave.) That’s it, isn’t it? You’re worried for your precious EU’s survival. I can’t help you with that.
What's the difference between "Make America Great Again" and "Make Britain Great Again"?

Is there any difference at all?

Why are you so obsessed with this most simplistic slogan the human race has ever discovered by "making something so great again" but you have absolutely nothing to compare about in the history of human cultures?
Or, if you do have some comparison, please explain to which part of human history you are referring to? Any particular century or a decade in the history of the existence of <place your what-ever-culture>?

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