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EU referendum results live: Brexit most likely outcome says leading pollster
Topic Started: Jun 23 2016, 09:09 PM (12,010 Views)
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jar
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Oct 9 2016, 11:40 AM
Because an officially sanctioned charity finds it did. It must be true then. :rollseyes:
Under which assumptions in the life of human race, why it wouldn't be? Has that organization been responsible for violence like UKIP has?

You seem to spend a lot of energy in your life to find ANY excuse that Brexit would not have affected the masses of people who are just behaving according to what Brexit is basically all about: Nationalism, racism, hatred to anything outsider, anything deviating from the "normality" as defined by the hard-line conservatism, its values and how those values have manifested themselves.

Those are the basics of Fixit as well, and the basic reasons why Europe is close to repeating the history for destroying itself again by these repressive and violent values of human behaviour.
What are you talking about? A couple of politicians had a disagreement, the facts of which are unknown because they were unwitnessed, and you think UKIP is responsible for violence? That’s a really weak argument, even by your standards. You have no idea what Brexit is about. Brexit is about democracy, but you don’t even want to know anything which might unsettle your prejudices … that much is clear.

'That organisation' found something which suited its agenda. It is hardly an independent source. Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Why do you spend so much energy on an issue over which you can have no interest (unless you think other countries will follow the UK’s lead and leave.) That’s it, isn’t it? You’re worried for your precious EU’s survival. I can’t help you with that.
What's the difference between "Make America Great Again" and "Make Britain Great Again"?

Is there any difference at all?

Why are you so obsessed with this most simplistic slogan the human race has ever discovered by "making something so great again" but you have absolutely nothing to compare about in the history of human cultures?
Or, if you do have some comparison, please explain to which part of human history you are referring to? Any particular century or a decade in the history of the existence of <place your what-ever-culture>?



As I have never said 'Make Britain Great Again' you should really ask someone who has to explain what they mean by that if you're interested. I'm interested in your thoughts about what I have written (if you can make the effort to actually read it.)

Good night. :)



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Oct 11 2016, 01:47 PM
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Oct 9 2016, 04:27 PM
Under which assumptions in the life of human race, why it wouldn't be? Has that organization been responsible for violence like UKIP has?

You seem to spend a lot of energy in your life to find ANY excuse that Brexit would not have affected the masses of people who are just behaving according to what Brexit is basically all about: Nationalism, racism, hatred to anything outsider, anything deviating from the "normality" as defined by the hard-line conservatism, its values and how those values have manifested themselves.

Those are the basics of Fixit as well, and the basic reasons why Europe is close to repeating the history for destroying itself again by these repressive and violent values of human behaviour.
What are you talking about? A couple of politicians had a disagreement, the facts of which are unknown because they were unwitnessed, and you think UKIP is responsible for violence? That’s a really weak argument, even by your standards. You have no idea what Brexit is about. Brexit is about democracy, but you don’t even want to know anything which might unsettle your prejudices … that much is clear.

'That organisation' found something which suited its agenda. It is hardly an independent source. Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Why do you spend so much energy on an issue over which you can have no interest (unless you think other countries will follow the UK’s lead and leave.) That’s it, isn’t it? You’re worried for your precious EU’s survival. I can’t help you with that.
What's the difference between "Make America Great Again" and "Make Britain Great Again"?

Is there any difference at all?

Why are you so obsessed with this most simplistic slogan the human race has ever discovered by "making something so great again" but you have absolutely nothing to compare about in the history of human cultures?
Or, if you do have some comparison, please explain to which part of human history you are referring to? Any particular century or a decade in the history of the existence of <place your what-ever-culture>?



As I have never said 'Make Britain Great Again' you should really ask someone who has to explain what they mean by that if you're interested. I'm interested in your thoughts about what I have written (if you can make the effort to actually read it.)

Good night. :)



Yada yada yada.

Please publish some real news of the life in Britain which can stand the history of human beings as well.

You let your feelings to overcome the true values of a democracy. Wallonia was a perfect example how democracy really works in action in the national level, of which the EU is really all about.
The EU is at the mercy of nationalism in Europe: It cannot control it if there is no will in the national level.

If nationalism takes once again over Europe, then this continent is at the mercy of globalism by all the other forces existing today.
You keep on relying to your British Empire to the heart, but which doesn't exist any longer. If you don't listen to what the rest of the world is saying, then you have a problem within you.
That includes your closest ally: The USA.

All what you are saying in your post: "F*CK the world. We're British and we can do everything in this world as we please."

The British Empire is gone, and the world has changed since those times. Do you really understand this as a reality?
Do you rely your well-being on the history that London has been a major centre of banking industry since it was discovered by the Europeans during the so called Enlightenment period, but all that is now questionable again since the Brexit vote?
We're are talking about centuries of the history of mankind now.
I assume "your kinds of people" you are referring to, are at ease of letting go of the past and hopeful of not repeating what the human race is capable of, but I'm not so positive about it.

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Oct 11 2016, 01:47 PM
What are you talking about? A couple of politicians had a disagreement, the facts of which are unknown because they were unwitnessed, and you think UKIP is responsible for violence? That’s a really weak argument, even by your standards. You have no idea what Brexit is about. Brexit is about democracy, but you don’t even want to know anything which might unsettle your prejudices … that much is clear.

'That organisation' found something which suited its agenda. It is hardly an independent source. Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Why do you spend so much energy on an issue over which you can have no interest (unless you think other countries will follow the UK’s lead and leave.) That’s it, isn’t it? You’re worried for your precious EU’s survival. I can’t help you with that.
What's the difference between "Make America Great Again" and "Make Britain Great Again"?

Is there any difference at all?

Why are you so obsessed with this most simplistic slogan the human race has ever discovered by "making something so great again" but you have absolutely nothing to compare about in the history of human cultures?
Or, if you do have some comparison, please explain to which part of human history you are referring to? Any particular century or a decade in the history of the existence of <place your what-ever-culture>?



As I have never said 'Make Britain Great Again' you should really ask someone who has to explain what they mean by that if you're interested. I'm interested in your thoughts about what I have written (if you can make the effort to actually read it.)

Good night. :)



Yada yada yada.

Please publish some real news of the life in Britain which can stand the history of human beings as well.

You let your feelings to overcome the true values of a democracy. Wallonia was a perfect example how democracy really works in action in the national level, of which the EU is really all about.
The EU is at the mercy of nationalism in Europe: It cannot control it if there is no will in the national level.

If nationalism takes once again over Europe, then this continent is at the mercy of globalism by all the other forces existing today.
You keep on relying to your British Empire to the heart, but which doesn't exist any longer. If you don't listen to what the rest of the world is saying, then you have a problem within you.
That includes your closest ally: The USA.

All what you are saying in your post: "F*CK the world. We're British and we can do everything in this world as we please."

The British Empire is gone, and the world has changed since those times. Do you really understand this as a reality?
Do you rely your well-being on the history that London has been a major centre of banking industry since it was discovered by the Europeans during the so called Enlightenment period, but all that is now questionable again since the Brexit vote?
We're are talking about centuries of the history of mankind now.
I assume "your kinds of people" you are referring to, are at ease of letting go of the past and hopeful of not repeating what the human race is capable of, but I'm not so positive about it.

I've come to the sad conclusion that there's little point in continuing this debate with you, Jar. You've created a parody of a Brexiter in your head and nothing I can say is going to shift it.

No matter how many times I answer your arguments all I get are strawman arguments and your own neuroses in return. I'm fed up with the former, but I'm truly sorry you find an independent and democratically accountable UK government so threatening. It is going to happen though, so you'll need to deal with it as best you can.

Edited by Nan Tucks Ghost, Oct 30 2016, 03:01 PM.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deephttps://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/08/homophobic-attacks-double-after-brexit-vote

http://www.galop.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/The-Hate-Crime-Report-2016.pdfyou spend so much energy on an issue over which you can have no interest (unless you think other countries will follow the UK’s lead and leave.) That’s it, isn’t it? You’re worried for your precious EU’s survival. I can’t help you with that.
What's the difference between "Make America Great Again" and "Make Britain Great Again"?

Is there any difference at all?

Why are you so obsessed with this most simplistic slogan the human race has ever discovered by "making something so great again" but you have absolutely nothing to compare about in the history of human cultures?
Or, if you do have some comparison, please explain to which part of human history you are referring to? Any particular century or a decade in the history of the existence of <place your what-ever-culture>?



As I have never said 'Make Britain Great Again' you should really ask someone who has to explain what they mean by that if you're interested. I'm interested in your thoughts about what I have written (if you can make the effort to actually read it.)

Good night. :)



Yada yada yada.

Please publish some real news of the life in Britain which can stand the history of human beings as well.

You let your feelings to overcome the true values of a democracy. Wallonia was a perfect example how democracy really works in action in the national level, of which the EU is really all about.
The EU is at the mercy of nationalism in Europe: It cannot control it if there is no will in the national level.

If nationalism takes once again over Europe, then this continent is at the mercy of globalism by all the other forces existing today.
You keep on relying to your British Empire to the heart, but which doesn't exist any longer. If you don't listen to what the rest of the world is saying, then you have a problem within you.
That includes your closest ally: The USA.

All what you are saying in your post: "F*CK the world. We're British and we can do everything in this world as we please."

The British Empire is gone, and the world has changed since those times. Do you really understand this as a reality?
Do you rely your well-being on the history that London has been a major centre of banking industry since it was discovered by the Europeans during the so called Enlightenment period, but all that is now questionable again since the Brexit vote?
We're are talking about centuries of the history of mankind now.
I assume "your kinds of people" you are referring to, are at ease of letting go of the past and hopeful of not repeating what the human race is capable of, but I'm not so positive about it.

I've come to the sad conclusion that there's little point in continuing this debate with you, Jar. You've created a parody of a Brexiter in your head and nothing I can say is going to shift it.

No matter how many times I answer your arguments all I get are strawman arguments and your own neuroses in return. I'm fed up with the former, but I'm truly sorry you find an independent and democratically accountable UK government so threatening. It is going to happen though, so you'll need to deal with it as best you can.

Maybe you should try to work yourself out of the trenches rather than looking backwards to the history?

That's currently a very common phenomenon all across western world, especially with the politically and value-wise very conservative ones, and it shows in your language as well (like your ever-repeating concepts of democracy and independence in a nation - a concept of which is very a very young one in human history in the first place).
Questioning these indoctrinated concepts of what independence and democracy means to you, is basically impossible and people who have accepted those strict ideologies are not able to talk about them either. Absolutely no-one, not a single citizen nor any politician in any country (including some current top political figures in Finland I've been personally discussed with in discussion boards) has ever been able to put it into words what those mean to them without resorting to changing the subject or resorting to non-democratic values in real life when trying to defend their world.

Yes, we are world apart, as hundreds of millions of westerners are when conservatives show their narrow views of the world, us human beings and the values, concepts and isms we humans have ever developed and will continue to develop.

Closing borders is a very short-term solution, like the Berlin Wall, in a globalized world, which we all victims of as well after it started to spread to multipolarism. Sooner or later even Britain has to deal with this fact of human life, where also religions have to deal with each other like nations have had to deal with each other in Europe have after WW1 and WW2 era, and which is what the EU was built for.

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The "United Europe" with Germany as the dominant party promised wealth through submission to globalist big banks and multinational corporations, managed by faceless bureaucrats....The wealth has not yet trickled down to the people............... :dunno:
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The "United Europe" with Germany as the dominant party promised wealth through submission to globalist big banks and multinational corporations, managed by faceless bureaucrats....The wealth has not yet trickled down to the people............... :dunno:
Out of the western countries, USA is probably the most perfect example of this wealth not trickling down while the Nordic countries (with countries like Switzerland) may be the best examples where wealth is spread across societies the best what the human race have produced so far.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/03/tory-mp-calls-for-bbc-1-to-mark-brexit-with-national-anthem-at-t/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqrAPOZxgzU
One of best single records Britain has produced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bucVwI0RfEg :)

(Apart from The Beatles...)
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Oct 29 2016, 05:36 PM
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Oct 29 2016, 04:50 PM
jar
Oct 29 2016, 04:27 PM
Nan Tucks Ghost
Oct 11 2016, 04:29 PM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deephttps://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/08/homophobic-attacks-double-after-brexit-vote

http://www.galop.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/The-Hate-Crime-Report-2016.pdfyou spend so much energy on an issue over which you can have no interest (unless you think other countries will follow the UK’s lead and leave.) That’s it, isn’t it? You’re worried for your precious EU’s survival. I can’t help you with that.
What's the difference between "Make America Great Again" and "Make Britain Great Again"?

Is there any difference at all?

Why are you so obsessed with this most simplistic slogan the human race has ever discovered by "making something so great again" but you have absolutely nothing to compare about in the history of human cultures?
Or, if you do have some comparison, please explain to which part of human history you are referring to? Any particular century or a decade in the history of the existence of <place your what-ever-culture>?



As I have never said 'Make Britain Great Again' you should really ask someone who has to explain what they mean by that if you're interested. I'm interested in your thoughts about what I have written (if you can make the effort to actually read it.)

Good night. :)



Yada yada yada.

Please publish some real news of the life in Britain which can stand the history of human beings as well.

You let your feelings to overcome the true values of a democracy. Wallonia was a perfect example how democracy really works in action in the national level, of which the EU is really all about.
The EU is at the mercy of nationalism in Europe: It cannot control it if there is no will in the national level.

If nationalism takes once again over Europe, then this continent is at the mercy of globalism by all the other forces existing today.
You keep on relying to your British Empire to the heart, but which doesn't exist any longer. If you don't listen to what the rest of the world is saying, then you have a problem within you.
That includes your closest ally: The USA.

All what you are saying in your post: "F*CK the world. We're British and we can do everything in this world as we please."

The British Empire is gone, and the world has changed since those times. Do you really understand this as a reality?
Do you rely your well-being on the history that London has been a major centre of banking industry since it was discovered by the Europeans during the so called Enlightenment period, but all that is now questionable again since the Brexit vote?
We're are talking about centuries of the history of mankind now.
I assume "your kinds of people" you are referring to, are at ease of letting go of the past and hopeful of not repeating what the human race is capable of, but I'm not so positive about it.

I've come to the sad conclusion that there's little point in continuing this debate with you, Jar. You've created a parody of a Brexiter in your head and nothing I can say is going to shift it.

No matter how many times I answer your arguments all I get are strawman arguments and your own neuroses in return. I'm fed up with the former, but I'm truly sorry you find an independent and democratically accountable UK government so threatening. It is going to happen though, so you'll need to deal with it as best you can.

Probably doesn't affect the die-hard conservatives in Britain (like you) either who voted for Brexit but here's one more example of the reality of us human beings what has been seen all over the nations when the values of those people are getting support from the politicians having enough power (also in a democracy):
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/hate-on-the-rise-after-trumps-election

This is nothing surprising news to me, nor to anyone who understands something about human behaviour en masse.

You people just don't understand the mass behaviour of people proven so many times in the history already. :wah:
And these kind of politicians will not either understand or accept their responsibilities as human beings of this mass behaviour. :rollseyes:

UKIP is also a perfect example of this behaviour as a political party amongst all other ones existing in the world.

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Brexit will blow £59bn hole in public finances, admits Hammond
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Chancellor attempts to strike cautiously upbeat tone but OBR warns of extra borrowing over next five years


EU leaders 'not bluffing' over Brexit terms, warns Malta's PM
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EU leaders are not "bluffing" when they say the UK will be left without access to the single market when it leaves the bloc if there is no free movement of people, Malta's prime minister says.
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The process to take the UK out of the European Union starts with invoking Article 50 and will take at least two years
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Nov 25 2016, 02:59 AM
Brexit will blow £59bn hole in public finances, admits Hammond
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Chancellor attempts to strike cautiously upbeat tone but OBR warns of extra borrowing over next five years


EU leaders 'not bluffing' over Brexit terms, warns Malta's PM
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EU leaders are not "bluffing" when they say the UK will be left without access to the single market when it leaves the bloc if there is no free movement of people, Malta's prime minister says.
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The process to take the UK out of the European Union starts with invoking Article 50 and will take at least two years
The EU can posture all it wants, the UK will leave the EU.

Official predictions are just that ... predictions and they're being made by people who never wanted to leave the EU, which includes the OBR, who have been proved wrong so far anyway. Their predictions are based largely on politics not economics. It's unfortunate that a pro EU party is still in government.

The UK runs a huge trade deficit with the rest of the EU. If the EU wants to play hardball over trade, it will lose thousands of its own citizens their jobs, and for what ... a vanity project?





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The EU threats to abuse Britain will only serve to inspire other countries to drop out of the EU...They see that they are being ruled by a tyranny, run by big banks and multinational corporations................. :oyvey
Edited by Robert Stout, Nov 25 2016, 08:07 AM.
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Nov 25 2016, 02:59 AM
Brexit will blow £59bn hole in public finances, admits Hammond
Quote:
 
Chancellor attempts to strike cautiously upbeat tone but OBR warns of extra borrowing over next five years


EU leaders 'not bluffing' over Brexit terms, warns Malta's PM
Quote:
 
EU leaders are not "bluffing" when they say the UK will be left without access to the single market when it leaves the bloc if there is no free movement of people, Malta's prime minister says.
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The process to take the UK out of the European Union starts with invoking Article 50 and will take at least two years
The EU can posture all it wants, the UK will leave the EU.

Official predictions are just that ... predictions and they're being made by people who never wanted to leave the EU, which includes the OBR, who have been proved wrong so far anyway. Their predictions are based largely on politics not economics. It's unfortunate that a pro EU party is still in government.

The UK runs a huge trade deficit with the rest of the EU. If the EU wants to play hardball over trade, it will lose thousands of its own citizens their jobs, and for what ... a vanity project?





I'd reckon most Londoners would disagree with you...

You're playing the game with very high stakes, as there doesn't really exist a plan how to deal with the decision fabricated by the British tabloid papers along with UKIP, which is not known of taking any responsibility of their actions at all in any level.
That is until UKIP is actually in charge of basically anything. The behaviour by UKIP members is extremely far from anything from being as responsible adult human beings so far.

Brexiters are equals to Trumpists and Putinists, who are all subjected to nothing but "making <choose your word here> great again" mantra but have absolutely nothing to back anything which didn't anyway exists in the history anyway as "The Sentence" would refer to. It's a simplistic yearn for a past time which never existed as depicted by the "true believers".

The questioning of the entire concept of nationalism is once again made in Europe, which discovered this modern nationalism anyway, is something so advanced in human history which should not be overridden by the mistakes of nationalistic values and what it did represent and still does represent when spread to the masses of us human beings.

I highly doubt that you can understand anything of this post... (or if you do, you choose to ignore it)
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The EU threats to abuse Britain will only serve to inspire other countries to drop out of the EU...They see that they are being ruled by a tyranny, run by big banks and multinational corporations................. :oyvey
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Nov 2 2016, 09:33 AM
The "United Europe" with Germany as the dominant party promised wealth through submission to globalist big banks and multinational corporations, managed by faceless bureaucrats....The wealth has not yet trickled down to the people............... :dunno:
Out of the western countries, USA is probably the most perfect example of this wealth not trickling down while the Nordic countries (with countries like Switzerland) may be the best examples where wealth is spread across societies the best what the human race have produced so far.

Spain, Italy, Portugal, and Greece are still waiting for their trickle.............. :dunno:
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Nov 25 2016, 02:59 AM
Brexit will blow £59bn hole in public finances, admits Hammond
Quote:
 
Chancellor attempts to strike cautiously upbeat tone but OBR warns of extra borrowing over next five years


EU leaders 'not bluffing' over Brexit terms, warns Malta's PM
Quote:
 
EU leaders are not "bluffing" when they say the UK will be left without access to the single market when it leaves the bloc if there is no free movement of people, Malta's prime minister says.
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The process to take the UK out of the European Union starts with invoking Article 50 and will take at least two years
The EU can posture all it wants, the UK will leave the EU.

Official predictions are just that ... predictions and they're being made by people who never wanted to leave the EU, which includes the OBR, who have been proved wrong so far anyway. Their predictions are based largely on politics not economics. It's unfortunate that a pro EU party is still in government.

The UK runs a huge trade deficit with the rest of the EU. If the EU wants to play hardball over trade, it will lose thousands of its own citizens their jobs, and for what ... a vanity project?





I'd reckon most Londoners would disagree with you...

You're playing the game with very high stakes, as there doesn't really exist a plan how to deal with the decision fabricated by the British tabloid papers along with UKIP, which is not known of taking any responsibility of their actions at all in any level.
That is until UKIP is actually in charge of basically anything. The behaviour by UKIP members is extremely far from anything from being as responsible adult human beings so far.

Brexiters are equals to Trumpists and Putinists, who are all subjected to nothing but "making <choose your word here> great again" mantra but have absolutely nothing to back anything which didn't anyway exists in the history anyway as "The Sentence" would refer to. It's a simplistic yearn for a past time which never existed as depicted by the "true believers".

The questioning of the entire concept of nationalism is once again made in Europe, which discovered this modern nationalism anyway, is something so advanced in human history which should not be overridden by the mistakes of nationalistic values and what it did represent and still does represent when spread to the masses of us human beings.

I highly doubt that you can understand anything of this post... (or if you do, you choose to ignore it)
We had warnings of dire consequences from the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the United Nations, environment agencies, corporations, charities, pressure groups, academics, scientists, NATO, world leaders from East to West, religious leaders, and of course many UK and other European politicians. After a passionate referendum campaign, a majority of the British voting public, including people from all walks of life (including scientists, economists, academics, politicians, clergymen and women, businessmen and women, and politicians) chose Brexit.

Believe me ... there's f***k all you can say that I have not heard before. I've been listening to you for years and I really tired of you implying that somehow EU membership is the moral choice. You can make that decision for yourself, but you can't make if for anyone else and you definitely can't make it for me.

The sooner we're out the better, then we can all move on as we see fit. It will happen no matter how much EU supporters wail. So give it a rest, eh Jar?




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Nov 25 2016, 02:59 AM
Brexit will blow £59bn hole in public finances, admits Hammond
Quote:
 
Chancellor attempts to strike cautiously upbeat tone but OBR warns of extra borrowing over next five years


EU leaders 'not bluffing' over Brexit terms, warns Malta's PM
Quote:
 
EU leaders are not "bluffing" when they say the UK will be left without access to the single market when it leaves the bloc if there is no free movement of people, Malta's prime minister says.
Posted Image
The process to take the UK out of the European Union starts with invoking Article 50 and will take at least two years
The EU can posture all it wants, the UK will leave the EU.

Official predictions are just that ... predictions and they're being made by people who never wanted to leave the EU, which includes the OBR, who have been proved wrong so far anyway. Their predictions are based largely on politics not economics. It's unfortunate that a pro EU party is still in government.

The UK runs a huge trade deficit with the rest of the EU. If the EU wants to play hardball over trade, it will lose thousands of its own citizens their jobs, and for what ... a vanity project?





I'd reckon most Londoners would disagree with you...

You're playing the game with very high stakes, as there doesn't really exist a plan how to deal with the decision fabricated by the British tabloid papers along with UKIP, which is not known of taking any responsibility of their actions at all in any level.
That is until UKIP is actually in charge of basically anything. The behaviour by UKIP members is extremely far from anything from being as responsible adult human beings so far.

Brexiters are equals to Trumpists and Putinists, who are all subjected to nothing but "making <choose your word here> great again" mantra but have absolutely nothing to back anything which didn't anyway exists in the history anyway as "The Sentence" would refer to. It's a simplistic yearn for a past time which never existed as depicted by the "true believers".

The questioning of the entire concept of nationalism is once again made in Europe, which discovered this modern nationalism anyway, is something so advanced in human history which should not be overridden by the mistakes of nationalistic values and what it did represent and still does represent when spread to the masses of us human beings.

I highly doubt that you can understand anything of this post... (or if you do, you choose to ignore it)
We had warnings of dire consequences from the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the United Nations, environment agencies, corporations, charities, pressure groups, academics, scientists, NATO, world leaders from East to West, religious leaders, and of course many UK and other European politicians. After a passionate referendum campaign, a majority of the British voting public, including people from all walks of life (including scientists, economists, academics, politicians, clergymen and women, businessmen and women, and politicians) chose Brexit.

Believe me ... there's f***k all you can say that I have not heard before. I've been listening to you for years and I really tired of you implying that somehow EU membership is the moral choice. You can make that decision for yourself, but you can't make if for anyone else and you definitely can't make it for me.

The sooner we're out the better, then we can all move on as we see fit. It will happen no matter how much EU supporters wail. So give it a rest, eh Jar?




As if nationalism (with everything that it entails) is a solution to all your problems, even personal ones, in the world of global communication existing everywhere in the first world and expanding enternally to the developed world.
Your hero Mr. Trump may postpone this change for a few years, but I'd reckon he will be assassinated before his presidency is over or he will be prosecuted for <choose whatever is legally possible in USA> and he will lose the case.

To me, England is at the mercy of the USA, at this time and age. You're playing a game of such high risks that can be comparable to the very existence of what the so called western world with all its values has achieved so far in the history of human cultures,
and that it is the EU which tries to keep the values of what the so called western world was built upon after WW1 and especially after WW2.

Sorry, you have not given a single news which separates your ideology and its practices already well known to European history of nationalism, of which the USA is now also a victim of.
The USA and England is repeating the history of nationalism, along with what new developed Asian countries are doing but it is the EU which is already a step ahead of this uber nationalistic behaviour.

Now, it could be true that some countries existing in Europe today will still show that it is again Europe as a continent that WW3 could be possible to be originated from this continent, althougt it may have its leverage from the Middle East.
England is one of those countries, because it doesn't understand its own problems where nationalism is a growing issue as in anywhere else in the western world, when its past history is now also questioned.
Again: You are not in control of nationalism: It is decided by those in power and those whoever gave those powers to be. Do you as a single human being understand this very basic understanding of human behaviour?
To which values you want to give the power to?

Mr. Trump is the "The Decider" what UK will be like (until he has gone) because the UK is just the poodle of USA, like it was in the beginning of the 1990's and including the history derived from the WW2 era.
Do you see the differences of the understanding of the history of us human beings living in the world today - even within European countries?

Sorry, I think you're just too naive of what comes to the values of us human beings and how those values can change the world like it has ever before.
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Brexit will blow £59bn hole in public finances, admits Hammond
Quoting limited to 5 levels deepEU leaders 'not bluffing' over Brexit terms, warns Malta's PMEU leaders are not "bluffing" when they say the UK will be left without access to the single market when it leaves the bloc if there is no free movement of people, Malta's prime minister says.Posted Image
The process to take the UK out of the European Union starts with invoking Article 50 and will take at least two years
The EU can posture all it wants, the UK will leave the EU.

Official predictions are just that ... predictions and they're being made by people who never wanted to leave the EU, which includes the OBR, who have been proved wrong so far anyway. Their predictions are based largely on politics not economics. It's unfortunate that a pro EU party is still in government.

The UK runs a huge trade deficit with the rest of the EU. If the EU wants to play hardball over trade, it will lose thousands of its own citizens their jobs, and for what ... a vanity project?





I'd reckon most Londoners would disagree with you...

You're playing the game with very high stakes, as there doesn't really exist a plan how to deal with the decision fabricated by the British tabloid papers along with UKIP, which is not known of taking any responsibility of their actions at all in any level.
That is until UKIP is actually in charge of basically anything. The behaviour by UKIP members is extremely far from anything from being as responsible adult human beings so far.

Brexiters are equals to Trumpists and Putinists, who are all subjected to nothing but "making <choose your word here> great again" mantra but have absolutely nothing to back anything which didn't anyway exists in the history anyway as "The Sentence" would refer to. It's a simplistic yearn for a past time which never existed as depicted by the "true believers".

The questioning of the entire concept of nationalism is once again made in Europe, which discovered this modern nationalism anyway, is something so advanced in human history which should not be overridden by the mistakes of nationalistic values and what it did represent and still does represent when spread to the masses of us human beings.

I highly doubt that you can understand anything of this post... (or if you do, you choose to ignore it)
We had warnings of dire consequences from the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the United Nations, environment agencies, corporations, charities, pressure groups, academics, scientists, NATO, world leaders from East to West, religious leaders, and of course many UK and other European politicians. After a passionate referendum campaign, a majority of the British voting public, including people from all walks of life (including scientists, economists, academics, politicians, clergymen and women, businessmen and women, and politicians) chose Brexit.

Believe me ... there's f***k all you can say that I have not heard before. I've been listening to you for years and I really tired of you implying that somehow EU membership is the moral choice. You can make that decision for yourself, but you can't make if for anyone else and you definitely can't make it for me.

The sooner we're out the better, then we can all move on as we see fit. It will happen no matter how much EU supporters wail. So give it a rest, eh Jar?




As if nationalism (with everything that it entails) is a solution to all your problems, even personal ones, in the world of global communication existing everywhere in the first world and expanding enternally to the developed world.
Your hero Mr. Trump may postpone this change for a few years, but I'd reckon he will be assassinated before his presidency is over or he will be prosecuted for <choose whatever is legally possible in USA> and he will lose the case.

To me, England is at the mercy of the USA, at this time and age. You're playing a game of such high risks that can be comparable to the very existence of what the so called western world with all its values has achieved so far in the history of human cultures,
and that it is the EU which tries to keep the values of what the so called western world was built upon after WW1 and especially after WW2.

Sorry, you have not given a single news which separates your ideology and its practices already well known to European history of nationalism, of which the USA is now also a victim of.
The USA and England is repeating the history of nationalism, along with what new developed Asian countries are doing but it is the EU which is already a step ahead of this uber nationalistic behaviour.

Now, it could be true that some countries existing in Europe today will still show that it is again Europe as a continent that WW3 could be possible to be originated from this continent, althougt it may have its leverage from the Middle East.
England is one of those countries, because it doesn't understand its own problems where nationalism is a growing issue as in anywhere else in the western world, when its past history is now also questioned.
Again: You are not in control of nationalism: It is decided by those in power and those whoever gave those powers to be. Do you as a single human being understand this very basic understanding of human behaviour?
To which values you want to give the power to?

Mr. Trump is the "The Decider" what UK will be like (until he has gone) because the UK is just the poodle of USA, like it was in the beginning of the 1990's and including the history derived from the WW2 era.
Do you see the differences of the understanding of the history of us human beings living in the world today - even within European countries?

Sorry, I think you're just too naive of what comes to the values of us human beings and how those values can change the world like it has ever before.
You're answering your Brexit parody again. :rollseyes:
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Italy is leaving :hooray:

bye bye EU
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"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepBrexit will blow £59bn hole in public finances, admits Hammond
Quoting limited to 5 levels deepEU leaders 'not bluffing' over Brexit terms, warns Malta's PMEU leaders are not "bluffing" when they say the UK will be left without access to the single market when it leaves the bloc if there is no free movement of people, Malta's prime minister says.Posted Image
The process to take the UK out of the European Union starts with invoking Article 50 and will take at least two years
I'd reckon most Londoners would disagree with you...

You're playing the game with very high stakes, as there doesn't really exist a plan how to deal with the decision fabricated by the British tabloid papers along with UKIP, which is not known of taking any responsibility of their actions at all in any level.
That is until UKIP is actually in charge of basically anything. The behaviour by UKIP members is extremely far from anything from being as responsible adult human beings so far.

Brexiters are equals to Trumpists and Putinists, who are all subjected to nothing but "making <choose your word here> great again" mantra but have absolutely nothing to back anything which didn't anyway exists in the history anyway as "The Sentence" would refer to. It's a simplistic yearn for a past time which never existed as depicted by the "true believers".

The questioning of the entire concept of nationalism is once again made in Europe, which discovered this modern nationalism anyway, is something so advanced in human history which should not be overridden by the mistakes of nationalistic values and what it did represent and still does represent when spread to the masses of us human beings.

I highly doubt that you can understand anything of this post... (or if you do, you choose to ignore it)
We had warnings of dire consequences from the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the United Nations, environment agencies, corporations, charities, pressure groups, academics, scientists, NATO, world leaders from East to West, religious leaders, and of course many UK and other European politicians. After a passionate referendum campaign, a majority of the British voting public, including people from all walks of life (including scientists, economists, academics, politicians, clergymen and women, businessmen and women, and politicians) chose Brexit.

Believe me ... there's f***k all you can say that I have not heard before. I've been listening to you for years and I really tired of you implying that somehow EU membership is the moral choice. You can make that decision for yourself, but you can't make if for anyone else and you definitely can't make it for me.

The sooner we're out the better, then we can all move on as we see fit. It will happen no matter how much EU supporters wail. So give it a rest, eh Jar?




As if nationalism (with everything that it entails) is a solution to all your problems, even personal ones, in the world of global communication existing everywhere in the first world and expanding enternally to the developed world.
Your hero Mr. Trump may postpone this change for a few years, but I'd reckon he will be assassinated before his presidency is over or he will be prosecuted for <choose whatever is legally possible in USA> and he will lose the case.

To me, England is at the mercy of the USA, at this time and age. You're playing a game of such high risks that can be comparable to the very existence of what the so called western world with all its values has achieved so far in the history of human cultures,
and that it is the EU which tries to keep the values of what the so called western world was built upon after WW1 and especially after WW2.

Sorry, you have not given a single news which separates your ideology and its practices already well known to European history of nationalism, of which the USA is now also a victim of.
The USA and England is repeating the history of nationalism, along with what new developed Asian countries are doing but it is the EU which is already a step ahead of this uber nationalistic behaviour.

Now, it could be true that some countries existing in Europe today will still show that it is again Europe as a continent that WW3 could be possible to be originated from this continent, althougt it may have its leverage from the Middle East.
England is one of those countries, because it doesn't understand its own problems where nationalism is a growing issue as in anywhere else in the western world, when its past history is now also questioned.
Again: You are not in control of nationalism: It is decided by those in power and those whoever gave those powers to be. Do you as a single human being understand this very basic understanding of human behaviour?
To which values you want to give the power to?

Mr. Trump is the "The Decider" what UK will be like (until he has gone) because the UK is just the poodle of USA, like it was in the beginning of the 1990's and including the history derived from the WW2 era.
Do you see the differences of the understanding of the history of us human beings living in the world today - even within European countries?

Sorry, I think you're just too naive of what comes to the values of us human beings and how those values can change the world like it has ever before.
You're answering your Brexit parody again. :rollseyes:
So how close this 'parody' is to the reality of this world of us human beings and our cultures in the real world, eh?

Which of us is understanding more of this entire history of what it is to be a human being at this time and age?

Do you think that "your kind of people" could be in control of what humanity is all about "once again"? If so, what is the time frame you're referring to of "your kind of people" being in control?

What are the major values of that era you are referring to when "your kind of people" were in control? Can you specify and explain those values in English?
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepBrexit will blow £59bn hole in public finances, admits Hammond
Quoting limited to 5 levels deepEU leaders 'not bluffing' over Brexit terms, warns Malta's PMEU leaders are not "bluffing" when they say the UK will be left without access to the single market when it leaves the bloc if there is no free movement of people, Malta's prime minister says.Posted Image
The process to take the UK out of the European Union starts with invoking Article 50 and will take at least two years
We had warnings of dire consequences from the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the United Nations, environment agencies, corporations, charities, pressure groups, academics, scientists, NATO, world leaders from East to West, religious leaders, and of course many UK and other European politicians. After a passionate referendum campaign, a majority of the British voting public, including people from all walks of life (including scientists, economists, academics, politicians, clergymen and women, businessmen and women, and politicians) chose Brexit.

Believe me ... there's f***k all you can say that I have not heard before. I've been listening to you for years and I really tired of you implying that somehow EU membership is the moral choice. You can make that decision for yourself, but you can't make if for anyone else and you definitely can't make it for me.

The sooner we're out the better, then we can all move on as we see fit. It will happen no matter how much EU supporters wail. So give it a rest, eh Jar?




As if nationalism (with everything that it entails) is a solution to all your problems, even personal ones, in the world of global communication existing everywhere in the first world and expanding enternally to the developed world.
Your hero Mr. Trump may postpone this change for a few years, but I'd reckon he will be assassinated before his presidency is over or he will be prosecuted for <choose whatever is legally possible in USA> and he will lose the case.

To me, England is at the mercy of the USA, at this time and age. You're playing a game of such high risks that can be comparable to the very existence of what the so called western world with all its values has achieved so far in the history of human cultures,
and that it is the EU which tries to keep the values of what the so called western world was built upon after WW1 and especially after WW2.

Sorry, you have not given a single news which separates your ideology and its practices already well known to European history of nationalism, of which the USA is now also a victim of.
The USA and England is repeating the history of nationalism, along with what new developed Asian countries are doing but it is the EU which is already a step ahead of this uber nationalistic behaviour.

Now, it could be true that some countries existing in Europe today will still show that it is again Europe as a continent that WW3 could be possible to be originated from this continent, althougt it may have its leverage from the Middle East.
England is one of those countries, because it doesn't understand its own problems where nationalism is a growing issue as in anywhere else in the western world, when its past history is now also questioned.
Again: You are not in control of nationalism: It is decided by those in power and those whoever gave those powers to be. Do you as a single human being understand this very basic understanding of human behaviour?
To which values you want to give the power to?

Mr. Trump is the "The Decider" what UK will be like (until he has gone) because the UK is just the poodle of USA, like it was in the beginning of the 1990's and including the history derived from the WW2 era.
Do you see the differences of the understanding of the history of us human beings living in the world today - even within European countries?

Sorry, I think you're just too naive of what comes to the values of us human beings and how those values can change the world like it has ever before.
You're answering your Brexit parody again. :rollseyes:
So how close this 'parody' is to the reality of this world of us human beings and our cultures in the real world, eh?

Which of us is understanding more of this entire history of what it is to be a human being at this time and age?

Do you think that "your kind of people" could be in control of what humanity is all about "once again"? If so, what is the time frame you're referring to of "your kind of people" being in control?

What are the major values of that era you are referring to when "your kind of people" were in control? Can you specify and explain those values in English?

This parody has been created by other EU supporters to support their rather flimsy campaign to persuade the UK to stay in the EU. It suits them to portray Brexiters as racists, or xenophobes, or homophobes, or isolationists, or far right and violent, or sometimes all of these things. This and their decades of deceit exposes their arguments as being shallow, petty and often absurd. It’s not part of reality for the millions of Brexit supporters and only fits a very tiny minority who have no influence on the Brexit process.

You can of course be opposed to Brexit as you wish, but to do it on the grounds you have is to foolishly accept europhile propaganda in my opinion. You might have a point on Trump, but it is sensible to be a friend of a powerful man who seems to support Brexit. Your and the EU's enemies are not necessarily mine or Brexit Britain's.

I’ve never suggested that my 'kind of people should be in control of what humanity is all about 'once again'" at all, nor have they ever been. And what era are you referring to? When do you think my 'kind of people’ were in control’?

And as for who understands more of human history ... it's not a competition and who is to say anyway?

I think you might be entirely missing the point of Brexit. I’ll try to simplify it for you:


  • [.]
    It’s not that Brexiters are better or worse than anyone else.

  • It’s that post-Brexit, when politicians Brexiters or otherwise, fail in in an independent Britain there is a recognised, effective way of removing them and, crucially, their policies.

  • Pre-Brexit, we can remove British politicians but we are still stuck with whatever policies are decided on the European stage and a new government must still apply them. (The best UK voters can hope for is better application of EU policies.)

  • The EU’s acquis communautaire, it’s ‘body of law', is huge and almost all of it applies to the UK whether it's in our interests or not. See the European Commission’s website for a sense of its scope.
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