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EU referendum results live: Brexit most likely outcome says leading pollster
Topic Started: Jun 23 2016, 09:09 PM (12,026 Views)
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Jun 24 2016, 03:37 AM
jar
Jun 24 2016, 01:10 AM
Too many Brits still yearning for the British Empire and wishing it would have still the same influence in the world. Too bad the world has changed with the technological (esp. telecommunication) inventions enormously since former European empires have fallen down and we already have a multipolar world with other big players to compete with each other, not just European ones any longer.

I reckon the Brexit voters will hit the hard concrete in the oncoming two years (or up to seven when the final exit must be stamped) how much influence to all persons in the UK this decision has, and the future generations will suffer from it.

The nationalistic parties here in Finland who are basically on par with UKIP in values, attitudes and in daily behaviour (such as what types of news they want to hear and are solely concentrating on), are also celebrating the Brexit, as it gives them inner feelings of having some influence in their personal lives. Developing oneself as a person is non-existent; blaming any outsider is the most easy thing rather than taking a good look at oneself.

Perhaps it is the globalists who will do some soul searching................. :biggrin:
Remember to count in newly emerged powers China and India into globalists, only 2 billion+ people... :-)

I'm only willing to live with the realities brought by globalism, and trying to change and adapting to those. Pushing towards 50 years already. :-)
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Come on Mr. Mac. You gotta respect the will of the people. Cheer up mate and have a glass of Posted Image
Lol, look at Drudge supporting Crimea referendum to leave Ukraine :lol:
Or the will of the people is only that one which outcome you like?
I am sorry, did UK invade anyone?

Was the Ukraine parliament consulted about Crimea wanting to be part of Russia?

Here's the difference.

UK is still UK today tomorrow or a year from now.
I can't say the same for Crimea. Look at the place after the invasion. Economically distress, shortage here and there, and businesses pulling out or no longer doing business in Crimea. Sounds like a paradise to Russians eh?
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Jun 24 2016, 10:18 AM
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Jun 24 2016, 12:44 AM
Well, the same idiotic mindset that has voted to leave the EU is celebrating the exit decision among some American posters, which only goes to prove that the UK has not become "too European" but rather hopelessly brain dead a-la-Americana.

This will not only shag the UK, it will shag the EU and the world interlaced economy. Lehman Brothers is peanuts by comparison. The pound has already fallen to 1985 levels.

It will also mean the destruction of the United Kingdom as a combined entity with Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving it in order to stay with Europe. It will also mean that Gibraltar will vote to become Spanish after centuries of being firmly being British orientated.

Now all the world needs is for the cretin brigade in the States to vote in Trump - after seeing what is happening in the UK, I have lost any faith in common sense triumphing over the lobotomic herds in the English-speaking world.

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Hughmac

Not exactly, frankly saying.
The sad thing for EU supporters is that the UK is not Greece, it's one of corner stones of the World finance and cannot be punished like Greeks to demonstrate for the rest of the EU how gravely consequences can be. The whole main World central banks will rush to help the UK to resist consequences, otherwise the rest of the West will be hurt much harder than the UK itself.
I am afraid Rubicon has been passed, the EU is officially dead, the puzzle has started to fall apart, it's a matter of time.
But, if it can somehow ease your feelings - the EU was doomed anyway due to current economuc crisis.
The law of nature => growing economy pushes expansion, as well contraction makes all differences and breaking lines deeper, inflates tensions, etc.
Brexit is a natural event in chain of similar ones, Grexit attempt was natural, Brexit is, and more to follow just because the EU is in deep economic crisis and THERE IS NO IDEA OR IDEOLOGY WHICH UNITES EUROPEANS EXCEPT PROSPERITY (what Jar is proud of, to my amusement), and as much as it was pushing integration ahead when EU economy grew fast expanding Eastwards to swallow former USSR and socialist bloc giant markets and now it pushes most prosperous out.
so, no reason to regret what was to happen anyway.
How much would you bet on EU being dismantled? :)

To me this is part of democracy, part of nationalism, part of globalism, part of western media freedom (individuals deciding how stupid they want to be in believing lies about EU's true role in their country's matters). All of these are Western discoveries, most of them from Europe :-)
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Jun 24 2016, 10:34 AM
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Jun 24 2016, 12:50 AM
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Jun 24 2016, 12:44 AM
Well, the same idiotic mindset that has voted to leave the EU is celebrating the exit decision among some American posters, which only goes to prove that the UK has not become "too European" but rather hopelessly brain dead a-la-Americana.

This will not only shag the UK, it will shag the EU and the world interlaced economy. Lehman Brothers is peanuts by comparison. The pound has already fallen to 1985 levels.

It will also mean the destruction of the United Kingdom as a combined entity with Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving it in order to stay with Europe. It will also mean that Gibraltar will vote to become Spanish after centuries of being firmly being British orientated.

Now all the world needs is for the cretin brigade in the States to vote in Trump - after seeing what is happening in the UK, I have lost any faith in common sense triumphing over the lobotomic herds in the English-speaking world.

Cheers
Hughmac
Don't forget President Marine Le Pen of France :hooray:
I expect in 5 years only Estonia, Greece, Ukraine, Georgia and Macedonia will remain in the EU. And then they will beg Putin to join the EU to feed them (which he will reject), but then they will just invite Putin's tanks to help to suppress Greece (the most ptosperous one) leave.... :lol:.. which he will also reject, and then China will join the EU....
Sounds like the breakup of the Soviet Union... First Poland.. then Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia...

Proving again that Communism/Socialism is a failed institution... Once the deep pockets disappear... the house of cards collapse...

Cant end up any worse than Russia.... except that people like the Brits.
Trump needs to focus more so on the male vote. He should have nationalized the Boy Scouts when they decided to admit girls.

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Jun 24 2016, 04:01 AM
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Jun 24 2016, 01:25 AM
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Jun 24 2016, 12:44 AM
Well, the same idiotic mindset that has voted to leave the EU is celebrating the exit decision among some American posters, which only goes to prove that the UK has not become "too European" but rather hopelessly brain dead a-la-Americana.

This will not only shag the UK, it will shag the EU and the world interlaced economy. Lehman Brothers is peanuts by comparison. The pound has already fallen to 1985 levels.

It will also mean the destruction of the United Kingdom as a combined entity with Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving it in order to stay with Europe. It will also mean that Gibraltar will vote to become Spanish after centuries of being firmly being British orientated.

Now all the world needs is for the cretin brigade in the States to vote in Trump - after seeing what is happening in the UK, I have lost any faith in common sense triumphing over the lobotomic herds in the English-speaking world.

Cheers
Hughmac
:cheers: Interesting take. Mind expanding on it? Why do you hold these views?
Certainly, whilst the English yearn for the punch that the Empire gave them - foolishly - Northern Ireland will tip towards reunification with the Republic of Eire. NI without Europe is doomed. Scotland, already hankering for independence, will see the prosperity of EU trade in danger and now demand another referendum, resulting in a definite leave vote in order to remain with the EU. After all, what would you prefer: England vs a European trading block for you future financial security?

Gibraltar will become a island after enjoying the trading benefit of the EU. Spain is going to make that border airtight, believe me and the economy of the Rock will plummet. Over 80% of the Gibraltereños voted to remain precisely because of it. Now the Rock's PM will open negotiations with Madrid to become an autonomous entity within Spain and thus keep its EU trade links intact.

In the meantime, over a million Brits living in Spain will see their work opportunity in peril while the thousands of retired Brits here will see at least 30% of the value of their pensions shaved off thanks to a devalued pound sterling.

As for Spanish tourism, over seven million Brits visit Spain each year - the Brits are the largest foreign tourist sector by far. With a pound worth s**t they can either not afford to come or if they do spend impoverished holidays here. Both of these conditions are going to cause chaos to the Spanish economy without even taking into account the amount of investment the Spanish banks have in the UK.

The fact is, whether these dickhead Brits leave-voter like it or not, the EU is a tumour that is so deeply encrusted on the UK economy that its removal will cause major organ failure.

As for the States, the UK - or what will be left of it - will be of no use whatsoever to the United States because the American interest in the "special relationship" was solely based on the UK influence with the EU. The UK has nothing to offer the USA now, and with the US already looking towards the Pacific as the future, this idiotic decision by the Brits will only hasten the transformation of turning the British Isles into an economic backwater.

The Pound Sterling only enjoys its relative weight because London is a financial hub, but that emphasis will now shift to Berlin.

How the bloody hell can the Brits - epitomized by the gormless UKIP leader - have been so catastrophically short sighted.

Tighten your sea tbelts because this is going to be a tough ride for everybody.

Cheers
Hughmac
Well said. Now I think you have certain understanding why Putin said that collapse ofvthe USSR was the biggest geopolitical catastrophe of XX centurty - the quote the Wetstern propaganda and idiots consudered as his wish to rebuild USSR. And USSR was one country, the flesh was cut and bones chopped by collapse, it was disaster which no Brexit can replicate.

While, of course as a result everybody will live worse, and those who voted for Brexit will regret. Maybe quite soon. But it will not prevent the rest of those who are to leave from leaving. Just look at these idiots in Ukraine - the EU is dead but they still ready to destroy their country just to join it. They are retards, as everybody is. And, I repeat and I tend to think I have the right to state it is a law of nature because so far I am the only one here who observed closely again and again - the law is, as Mr.Lenin said - an idea can become a material thing when it seizes the masses. The people during crisis blame everybody but not themselves. The rich ones blame the poor , the poor blame everybody - and it does not matter at all how close to reality it is. In USSR most were living better than proper Russia while thinking they were feeding Russia. After collapse of USSR Russia lives several times better than most of them, it was rather a burden. But even Russia still lost half of it GDP after collapse of USSR. Just imagine, 50%!! But the sentiment of most people even in Russia in late 1991 was that everybody will be better without each other. Because economy eas in crisis. Just like in the EU, though you are still perfoming not that bad, this is the reason Brexit is not total EUexit still.
Older genetation in all Soviet republics regrets collapse of USSR, everybody wishes it back. All you will also do, but still you are doomed, it's a law of nature.

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Jun 24 2016, 10:41 AM
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Come on Mr. Mac. You gotta respect the will of the people. Cheer up mate and have a glass of Posted Image
Lol, look at Drudge supporting Crimea referendum to leave Ukraine :lol:
Or the will of the people is only that one which outcome you like?
I am sorry, did UK invade anyone?

Was the Ukraine parliament consulted about Crimea wanting to be part of Russia?

Here's the difference.

UK is still UK today tomorrow or a year from now.
I can't say the same for Crimea. Look at the place after the invasion. Economically distress, shortage here and there, and businesses pulling out or no longer doing business in Crimea. Sounds like a paradise to Russians eh?
Drudge, apologies accepted :) but may I remind that there was no unconstitutional coup sponsored by Russia in London, this is the difference.
As well nobody invaded Ukraine, and in Crimea Russian troops were stationed on permanent base due to bilateral agreements. Just like the US still occupies Germany or Okinawa.
And UK is still UK as much as Crimea is still Crimea. but both are no longer parts of something bigger and previous.
And I suppose Europarliament was not consulted also, was it? :lol:
As for shortages and economic decline - don't consume too much Wedtern propaganda :) And there is a flood of Russian tourists to Crimea now, it has become the most attractive destination.
Edited by Siberian, Jun 24 2016, 11:29 AM.
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I'm not really sure how I feel about this. I suppose I am happy for the people of the UK who decided this referendum with rather impressive voter turnout (over 70%) as the will of the people is being seen. I suppose there are economic pros and cons for the UK.

Scotland is bitching and threatening to leave the UK but they were doing that before this so that is not exactly something to fret over.

For the EU it is roughly the economic equivalent of California leaving the USA so I can see the concern. Obviously the real problem will occur if say France or Germany try to leave.

Does this mean that the UK can now deport a bunch of possible terrorists? I always thought that their policies which have led to the rise of these radical Imams in the UK were their own, not EU policies foisted on them by the union. Somebody correct me if I'm off base here.

I guess as an outsider my thoughts on this (and I have obviously not put much time into the issue) have been that if the UK wishes to leave then let them leave.
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Does this mean that the UK can now deport a bunch of possible terrorists? I always thought that their policies which have led to the rise of these radical Imams in the UK were their own, not EU policies foisted on them by the union. Somebody correct me if I'm off base here.


open borders has been a huge concern & was an underlying issue for this vote

the UK will certainly impose tougher immigration policies
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Does this mean that the UK can now deport a bunch of possible terrorists? I always thought that their policies which have led to the rise of these radical Imams in the UK were their own, not EU policies foisted on them by the union. Somebody correct me if I'm off base here.


open borders has been a huge concern & was an underlying issue for this vote

the UK will certainly impose tougher immigration policies
Well, if they can get the economics of the thing sorted out then you can't really blame them can you. That open border policy combined with the open arms policies of the EU brass has definitely led to some real issues.
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Jun 24 2016, 07:58 AM
If Cameron is behind this vote, then he's the biggest idiot to walk the face of this earth

You dont hand over your economy to the whims of democracy. What happens if three months from now the British economy crashes and goes into a major depression? Hold another vote? ''Oh, nevermind that vote back in June, that didn't work out too well, we've decided to stay afterall!''
exactly. I still don't exclude that the West and particularly the UK will demonstrate its hypocricy and double standards and will implement the worst forms of manipulation to avoid implementing the will of people.
By the way, Hughmac, I am not sure on 100%, but if I know anything on economy - I tend to think that very soon, maybe tomorrow, maybe within a week - the Pound will jump much higher from recent levels. Big banks never loose opportunity to get some profit on market movements, they always make moves of the markets bigger, so when cries "we are all dead" about Brexit reach maximum - buy as much Pounds as possible. In short time I doubt there will be big consequences. Rather I expect in several weeks everything to calm down and Brexit voters will get even more support after people see nothing serious actually happens. Central banks still have power not to afford anything big to happen. Negative consequences will be long term, rather it will just bring total collapse closer. Brexit will not have as big an impact as Lehman right now.
Edited by Siberian, Jun 24 2016, 12:00 PM.
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Donald Trump’s first tweet about Brexit got shut down immediately

http://mashable.com/2016/06/24/trump-tweet-brexit/#CKCMgFS8Hsqk

This is the republican candidate for POTUS. Be afraid. Be very afraid...
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Donald Trump’s first tweet about Brexit got shut down immediately

http://mashable.com/2016/06/24/trump-tweet-brexit/#CKCMgFS8Hsqk

This is the republican candidate for POTUS. Be afraid. Be very afraid...
Meh - I can understand

he was just excited about the UK's decision to Make England Great Again!
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Donald Trump’s first tweet about Brexit got shut down immediately

http://mashable.com/2016/06/24/trump-tweet-brexit/#CKCMgFS8Hsqk

This is the republican candidate for POTUS. Be afraid. Be very afraid...
Meh - I can understand

he was just excited about the UK's decision to Make England Great Again!
Of course...
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just saw this :rotflmao:

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Here is a link with some very good maps and charts of the results.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36616028

This one in particular is interesting.

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Essentially, if you can remember a time when the UK made all if it's own policy decisions then you were for leaving the EU. If you did not remember anything but living under the EU then you voted for staying in it.

Also, similar to the US, more rural areas were invariably for leaving the EU while cities were not so willing to go it alone.
Edited by Demagogue, Jun 24 2016, 12:22 PM.
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I am sorry, did UK invade anyone?

Was the Ukraine parliament consulted about Crimea wanting to be part of Russia?

Here's the difference.

UK is still UK today tomorrow or a year from now.
I can't say the same for Crimea. Look at the place after the invasion. Economically distress, shortage here and there, and businesses pulling out or no longer doing business in Crimea. Sounds like a paradise to Russians eh?
Drudge, apologies accepted :) but may I remind that there was no unconstitutional coup sponsored by Russia in London, this is the difference.
As well nobody invaded Ukraine, and in Crimea Russian troops were stationed on permanent base due to bilateral agreements. Just like the US still occupies Germany or Okinawa.
And UK is still UK as much as Crimea is still Crimea. but both are no longer parts of something bigger and previous.
And I suppose Europarliament was not consulted also, was it? :lol:
As for shortages and economic decline - don't consume too much Wedtern propaganda :) And there is a flood of Russian tourists to Crimea now, it has become the most attractive destination.
LOL... The world recognizes UK's decision but do not recognize Russia annexation of Crimea by force.

Coup you say? HAHAHAHA!!!!

You are confused again. US is NOT occupying Japan or S. Korea. It's called the status of force agreement. Like in the Philippines, the US is not an occupier by force but rather invited to be there. Last I recall, the Ukrainian government don't see this invisible agreement you mentioned and they are still fighting the Russian troops. It's like the invisible book the Chinese claimed that will proof their claim to the entire South China Sea.

Come back and compare when you can show proof that UK troops were rolling their tanks and aerial bombers into Scotland and Ireland forcing the people to vote yes on the exit. Of course, everything is Western propaganda to you right?

Yes, apology accepted. Thanks :lol:

Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Well, the same idiotic mindset that has voted to leave the EU is celebrating the exit decision among some American posters, which only goes to prove that the UK has not become "too European" but rather hopelessly brain dead a-la-Americana.

This will not only shag the UK, it will shag the EU and the world interlaced economy. Lehman Brothers is peanuts by comparison. The pound has already fallen to 1985 levels.

It will also mean the destruction of the United Kingdom as a combined entity with Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving it in order to stay with Europe. It will also mean that Gibraltar will vote to become Spanish after centuries of being firmly being British orientated.

Now all the world needs is for the cretin brigade in the States to vote in Trump - after seeing what is happening in the UK, I have lost any faith in common sense triumphing over the lobotomic herds in the English-speaking world.

Cheers
Hughmac
:cheers: Interesting take. Mind expanding on it? Why do you hold these views?
Certainly, whilst the English yearn for the punch that the Empire gave them - foolishly - Northern Ireland will tip towards reunification with the Republic of Eire. NI without Europe is doomed. Scotland, already hankering for independence, will see the prosperity of EU trade in danger and now demand another referendum, resulting in a definite leave vote in order to remain with the EU. After all, what would you prefer: England vs a European trading block for you future financial security?

Gibraltar will become a island after enjoying the trading benefit of the EU. Spain is going to make that border airtight, believe me and the economy of the Rock will plummet. Over 80% of the Gibraltereños voted to remain precisely because of it. Now the Rock's PM will open negotiations with Madrid to become an autonomous entity within Spain and thus keep its EU trade links intact.

In the meantime, over a million Brits living in Spain will see their work opportunity in peril while the thousands of retired Brits here will see at least 30% of the value of their pensions shaved off thanks to a devalued pound sterling.

As for Spanish tourism, over seven million Brits visit Spain each year - the Brits are the largest foreign tourist sector by far. With a pound worth s**t they can either not afford to come or if they do spend impoverished holidays here. Both of these conditions are going to cause chaos to the Spanish economy without even taking into account the amount of investment the Spanish banks have in the UK.

The fact is, whether these dickhead Brits leave-voter like it or not, the EU is a tumour that is so deeply encrusted on the UK economy that its removal will cause major organ failure.

As for the States, the UK - or what will be left of it - will be of no use whatsoever to the United States because the American interest in the "special relationship" was solely based on the UK influence with the EU. The UK has nothing to offer the USA now, and with the US already looking towards the Pacific as the future, this idiotic decision by the Brits will only hasten the transformation of turning the British Isles into an economic backwater.

The Pound Sterling only enjoys its relative weight because London is a financial hub, but that emphasis will now shift to Berlin.

How the bloody hell can the Brits - epitomized by the gormless UKIP leader - have been so catastrophically short sighted.

Tighten your sea tbelts because this is going to be a tough ride for everybody.

Cheers
Hughmac
I was kinda hopin that I would see your comments on this today..... :)

Where to start?

First, this will not be a financial armageddon, a la Lehman Brothers per your comments. That catastrophe was caused by liberals/Democrats demanding that billions of dollars of housing loans be made to people who could not afford to make the mortgage payments on said housing. This, ...this, ...is different. Yes, yes indeed, there are many economic advantages for the Brits to be "inside" the EU. No question. All kinds of trade agreements will now have to be re-jiggered in the coming years. There is, however, a two year grace period for this to take place. No problem. The British financial community will come out of this fine, and probably stronger in the long run. The British Pound Sterling may drop a little bit in the short run, but if competent politicians are in charge, in this case the Tories, the Sterling should regain its strength and be a model for the world. In other words, stop spending money you don't have and everything will be fine. Politicians cause inflation and financial instability, not the free market.

Yes, Scotland may indeed elect to secede. Yup. No question. You'll note from the voting charts that the Scots were all in favor of staying in the EU and deriving its, ...b-e-n-e-f-i-t-s. Government hand-outs and checks are at their highest percentage in Scotland. I'm sure you know that. Dare I say the word, ...socialism? But the percentages are enormous there, and the financial burdens to all British taxpayers through the roof. The Scots want this to continue. Didja see the vote last night from Scotland? Hmm? Yes, they may take their oil revenues from those off-shore rigs when they go and spend them on their welfare state. Maybe. But there's not enough money there to continue this state of affairs. They, the Scots, haven't figured this out yet. Just wait and see what the new Scottish/Socialist government of Scotland does when faced with balancing their budgets. In a few years the place will look like Venezuela...!

Why did this happen? Why? People are sick and fed-up with the liberals/socialists of Europe who have systematically destroyed its identity. They've created massive bureaucracies in Brussels that are gargantuan, overbearing and fascist-like. People are sick of it. From Austria to Denmark to the Netherlands, people feel like their lives have been taken from them. They are told to willingly accept massive immigration in their own communities by politicians and bureaucrats looking at the "greater good." We know better. We have your best interests at heart. Faceless, nameless bureaucrats shaping Europe's future. Draconian laws being passed. New taxation everywhere. A monster needs to be fed. Arrogance. Pomposity. All of Europe is sick of it. Period.
Europe has become a mish-mash. Culture and history are being ignored for the "greater good" according to the demands of the bureaucrats in Brussels. People want to be British again, French and even German. A shared cultural history, a shared future. It's been taken away.

This will continue! France next, then even my beloved Austria! Get the hell out. We want our own land back, our own laws, our own idiosyncrasies. Borders and common sense will return to Europe. Get used to it, it's coming....!


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This comment caught my attention this morning:

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After the historic Brexit vote Thursday, London's new Muslim Mayor Sadiq Khan had a message for the nearly one million European citizens living in the United Kingdom's capital: "You are very welcome here."

"As a city we are grateful for the enormous contribution you make," he wrote on his Facebook page Friday, "and that will not change as a result of this referendum."

Immigration concerns have been the beating heart of the Leave campaign. Since the European Union was created decades ago, the U.K. has had a massive increase in immigration, which has fostered a politically driven backlash to the continent's open-border policy. Indeed, the leader of the Leave movement, Nigel Farage, and his brand of populist demagoguery have been likened to Donald Trump.
http://theweek.com/speedreads/632187/londons-new-muslim-mayor-european-residents-are-welcome-here



Hey! Don't worry we have enough liberal/labor/Muslim votes in London to stay in the EU! We'll make our own laws, and all you people wanting to come to the UK from Sudan, India, Pakistan and Uganda can come here, vote with us, and get your benefits. London no longer belongs to the UK. We have the votes!

Amazing.


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Now the UK has to worry about rebuilding. The bad thing for them in the short term is that without their former ability to be the voice of Washington in Brussels, they no longer have anything to offer the USA to maintain thier 'speshul' relationship.

They can pretty much look forward to be thrown (and re-thrown) under the bus after the next presidential coronation.
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It would appear that Mr. Hughmac agrees with me. So understand why I don't take your response seriously.
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