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EU referendum results live: Brexit most likely outcome says leading pollster
Topic Started: Jun 23 2016, 09:09 PM (12,025 Views)
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dcbl
Jun 24 2016, 07:59 AM
Pundits and political observers were 100% certain sure that BREMAIN was going to win

they are dealing with shock, anger, fear and frustration right now..

the main reason this thing passed was a nationalistic sentiment & desire to take a stronger stance on immigration - that is absolutely true

that sentiment was grossly underestimated & part of the fear that is being shown is directly related to the question, "are we underestimating the Trump votes as well?"

and they are absolutely correct to be worried
In the long term the talking heads in media were wrong on Trump and they will be wrong on the economic future of Britain...Why is that ???... You only need to look at who their employers are....The big banks and mercantile class have an agenda which does not benefit the people...They scam the people into believing that globalization is something that helps, not hurts, the average citizen....There are many "good slaves" on Perspectives who worship the likes of Goldman Sachs and believe everything they say...Even Stalin had enraptured supporters with the help of the controlled Soviet media................. :oyvey
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Jun 24 2016, 11:29 AM
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Nationalism encourages quitting the UN...Except those countries who receive foreign aid from more economically self sufficient countries...Thanks for another innovative idea for Trump's Presidential platform......... :love:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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So, why did this happen?

"It's the immigration, stupid...!"

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It’s the immigration, stupid! That’s the reason that Britain has voted to leave the E.U. But Trump’s antennae are attuned to what’s going in the minds of “his” people, even if they may be Brits. According to one polling organization, immigration was listed as a priority to only 14 percent of those polled who wanted to remain in Europe. Among those who wanted to leave, 52 percent said it was their priority. Those images of Syrian refugees streaming north throughout last year and the attacks in Paris probably made all the difference between Cameron winning and losing the vote, even taking into consideration the lackluster, negative campaign he ran.



http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/how-britain-was-broken


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Jun 24 2016, 11:29 AM
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Nationalism encourages quitting the UN...Except those countries who receive foreign aid from more economically self sufficient countries...Thanks for another innovative idea for Trump's Presidential platform......... :love:
What? Say what? The Brits are planning on leaving the UN as well?

Where's my Dom Perignon? Where's the bottle of Remy Martin? ...under the couch? I dunno.

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All over Europe, real Europeans are celebrating the first step in getting their countries back, their history back.

Get rid of the G'damn bureaucrats, every one of em. No more big government. No more Brussels. No more laws. No more unjust taxation. Stop it. Stop it all. The Brits were the first! Who next? The French? My beloved Austrians?

There is great joy tonight. Even in Italy they are celebrating..

Sing it Al Bano! Felicita...! Happiness, ...happiness...!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0wZQbK938Y



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Jun 24 2016, 12:20 PM
just saw this :rotflmao:

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That person should receive an excellent job offer immediately.
Edited by Drudge X, Jun 24 2016, 03:27 PM.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Jun 24 2016, 12:20 PM
just saw this :rotflmao:

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lol, it's either submitting to America, or trying to seduce Russia :)
though, with the UK it looks more like kamel
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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Jun 24 2016, 12:45 PM
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Jun 24 2016, 11:27 AM
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Jun 24 2016, 10:41 AM

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Drudge, apologies accepted :) but may I remind that there was no unconstitutional coup sponsored by Russia in London, this is the difference.
As well nobody invaded Ukraine, and in Crimea Russian troops were stationed on permanent base due to bilateral agreements. Just like the US still occupies Germany or Okinawa.
And UK is still UK as much as Crimea is still Crimea. but both are no longer parts of something bigger and previous.
And I suppose Europarliament was not consulted also, was it? :lol:
As for shortages and economic decline - don't consume too much Wedtern propaganda :) And there is a flood of Russian tourists to Crimea now, it has become the most attractive destination.
LOL... The world recognizes UK's decision but do not recognize Russia annexation of Crimea by force.

Coup you say? HAHAHAHA!!!!

You are confused again. US is NOT occupying Japan or S. Korea. It's called the status of force agreement. Like in the Philippines, the US is not an occupier by force but rather invited to be there. Last I recall, the Ukrainian government don't see this invisible agreement you mentioned and they are still fighting the Russian troops. It's like the invisible book the Chinese claimed that will proof their claim to the entire South China Sea.

Come back and compare when you can show proof that UK troops were rolling their tanks and aerial bombers into Scotland and Ireland forcing the people to vote yes on the exit. Of course, everything is Western propaganda to you right?

Yes, apology accepted. Thanks :lol:

Drudge, as usual you don't know what you are talking about, Russian fleet and up to 15000 troops wete stationed in Crimea according to agreement between states, Russia payed for this quite a lot, as well Ukraine, being a bankrupt for decades, failed to pay for Russian gas numerous times and Russia had to count payments for Crimean bases as payment for our gas.

As well decades of British troops supressing independence of Belfast is an excellent example, thanks.
Edited by Siberian, Jun 24 2016, 03:41 PM.
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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Jun 24 2016, 08:33 AM
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Jun 24 2016, 08:14 AM

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Not really.

Didn't we have this discussion before? I believe it went something along the lines of my mentioning the fact that Japan's population is taking a nosedive as the younger generations are not producing offspring as fast; the country has no foreseeable "japanese only" means to keep the population going and strictly japanese; a growing culture clash in some respects that doesn't appear to be changing; and a likely future where more gaijin wind up in japan, making it potentially less 'pure' as it were? So less Japan, and more multicultural. And we all know how much you just looove the concept of multiculturalism. :rollseyes: Anyways, then you went and danced around the truth, and I believe Tsal and maybe someone else kept pointing out you were wrong - but never mind that, as you ducked and dodged as usual, sticking to your ideology.

...yeah...lets not do that. I know you were wrong, and you know you were wrong; heck, most here know you're wrong, so let's lets not bring up Japan again. I'd hate to see you dance again. :cheers:
Rather, I pointed that because of Japan's shrinking population that it's GDP per capita has risen along with a corresponding decrease in housing costs, to which no one has been able to rebut. Also, Japan has had no acts of Islamic terrorism. Feel free to prove me wrong, you will fail.
No, that was what you moved to after you were shown to be wrong. That also, was silly. But hey, whatever floats your boat. :cheers:
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LOL... The world recognizes UK's decision but do not recognize Russia annexation of Crimea by force.

Coup you say? HAHAHAHA!!!!

You are confused again. US is NOT occupying Japan or S. Korea. It's called the status of force agreement. Like in the Philippines, the US is not an occupier by force but rather invited to be there. Last I recall, the Ukrainian government don't see this invisible agreement you mentioned and they are still fighting the Russian troops. It's like the invisible book the Chinese claimed that will proof their claim to the entire South China Sea.

Come back and compare when you can show proof that UK troops were rolling their tanks and aerial bombers into Scotland and Ireland forcing the people to vote yes on the exit. Of course, everything is Western propaganda to you right?

Yes, apology accepted. Thanks :lol:

Drudge, as usual you don't know what you are talking about, Russian fleet and up to 15000 troops wete stationed in Crimea according to agreement between states, Russia payed for this quite a lot, as well Ukraine, being a bankrupt for decades, failed to pay for Russian gas numerous times and Russia had to count payments for Crimean bases as payment for our gas.

As well decades of British troops supressing independence of Belfast is an excellent example, thanks.
Lol...of course, it was convenient for you to leave out the millions of Europeans livin :lol: g under the iron curtain.
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Jun 24 2016, 03:57 PM
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Rather, I pointed that because of Japan's shrinking population that it's GDP per capita has risen along with a corresponding decrease in housing costs, to which no one has been able to rebut. Also, Japan has had no acts of Islamic terrorism. Feel free to prove me wrong, you will fail.
No, that was what you moved to after you were shown to be wrong. That also, was silly. But hey, whatever floats your boat. :cheers:
Feel free to present your argument.
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Jun 24 2016, 12:51 PM
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The British financial community will come out of this fine, and probably stronger in the long run. The British Pound Sterling may drop a little bit in the short run, but if competent politicians are in charge,...


Where to start, indeed... it must have gone right over you head that it was the Tories that screwed it all up, trying to head off the extreme right UKIP - the Conservatives proposed a referendum to cut the vote appeal of the chinless idiot Falage and it worked, sort of, because then Cameron was stuck with the Referendum pledge. So, are you trying to tell me that the present-day Tories are "competent" when one man, in order to secure his own political future, decided to risk putting the world economy into a spin? A constitution change should require a 2-third majority (as in your country or Spain) the very idea that 51% imposes its will on 48% is ludicrous in an affair of such import.

And it is the extreme right, Le Pen and the likes, that are harvesting this chaos caused by a idiot Etonian. Europe has survived the last 60b years without internal wars because people like Churchil saw that the only way to prevent the Third European Civil War was to so intricate individual nations that it would be impossible for them to conceive going to war against each other. But the European far-right is unpicking the knots before my life time is out were going to be back in the 30's with fascist Italy, German and the likes. Make no mistake the UKIP is a stone throw away from being Mosely's Black Shirts.

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Yes, Scotland may indeed elect to secede. Yup. No question. You'll note from the voting charts that the Scots were all in favor of staying in the EU and deriving its, ...b-e-n-e-f-i-t-s. Government hand-outs and checks are at their highest percentage in Scotland. I'm sure you know that.


Scotland has always been closer to Europe than England - I'm surprised that you don't realize that. The Scottish population is about the same as the Danish one - so they can go it alone. If I were Scottish then it's a no brainer to choose Europe over England. I has zilch to do with socialism or handouts as your befuddled right-wing American mind fantasizes over. It's about the Scottish being Scottish and not English. Call a Scot an Englishman and you will get your lights punched out - I have lived in Scotland and my son was born there. If England wants to commit suicide, you can bet that Scotland is not going to hang around to empty its bedpan.


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Dare I say the word, ...socialism?

Why did this happen?... ...They've created massive bureaucracies in Brussels that are gargantuan, overbearing and fascist-like
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A clearer case of your confusion is not possible. Fascist Like is what Le Pen, UKIP and your Austrian buddies are hatching - why are you Americans so confused about his?



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Get used to it, it's coming....!


Yes, I'm sure you are...
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H4T wrote: lobal] nuclear annihilation is preferable to the pre-Trump immigration/refugee policies.
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Hughmac presents a very British (and very Conservative with a capital "C") reaction to Brexit and its American cheering section. The surprising "Leave" vote strikes me as being a product of the international spread of the new American style of politics. One first notices the bad manners, wild accusations and bogus numbers -- something more recent and more shocking in the UK than here.

The class split over Brexit is nothing new, the Labour Party has been waging open class warfare at least since 1945. On the other side, the Conservatives have reveled in a runaway increase in income inequality, a bonanza of new wealth produced by London banks which has made the city affordable for Russian kleptocrats and Arab princes at the expense of British working families. America has led the way in bringing these dispiriting factors to the forefront of national politics. I'd say the British ruling class has become more American and less English.
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Hughmac wrote:
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And it is the extreme right, Le Pen and the likes, that are harvesting this chaos caused by a idiot Etonian. Europe has survived the last 60b years without internal wars because people like Churchil saw that the only way to prevent the Third European Civil War was to so intricate individual nations that it would be impossible for them to conceive going to war against each other.


Let's just concentrate on these two sentences, shall we?

When you happen to stare into the Spanish heavens this evening, or next evening, pay attention to the strange movements of the stars above you. Things are changing. Look close, it's not quite the same as you thought. Look! You are standing still in your Spanish paradise, as metaphorically your comments have always appear to be in these blogs, yet there are new movements to the earth's rotation. It is displaying a changing universe. It has swept by, yet you've hardly noticed. You're not hearing or seeing what other people are seeing and hearing. The times are changing, and you're not paying attention. The 19th century Germans came-up with a lovely term for this. I wish I could credit it to Goethe, but I can't. It is sweeping above us, unseen and unrecognized. It is the proverbial, ...Zeitgeist.

You've missed it. Look again. The world is changing. You need to step back and look harder.

First, people are upset, ...all over Europe. In Austria a right wing party came out of nowhere to almost win the Presidency. Now, the OVP, Austria's traditional conservative party, got swamped. Got their butts handed to them. "We don't trust you guys anymore. We're tired of politicians that lie to us." The new party is not "far" right, but merely conservative. We want our country back. We're tired of being told by politicians of both parties that we need to be overwhelmed by new people who don't even speak our language or share our religion. What the hell is this? This is Austria, ...not a permanent refugee camp. Austria! "Rot Weiss Rot bis in den Tod!" ...Schuschnigg. If you ignorant politicians want to help these people, from Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan, teach them about capitalism. Teach them about laws and governance which will fight corruption. Teach them about banking and citizenship. Teach them how to build a country.

Second, the idea that Churchill would be aghast at the vote taken today by the citizens of the UK today, as noted in the above quote, is complete nonsense. Churchill? In favor of something like the EU? Really? Bureacrats governing from Brussels? C'mon. Yes, Churchill did want the integration of European countries to prevent war. You betcha. What Adenauer and de Gaulle did was to sign economic agreements which bound the former warring countries together. Nothing more. Good for them. Logical. Churchill was part of that. A great idea. A noble idea. Europe prospered because of capitalism, the free flow of money and ideas and economic common sense. The greatest post World War II leader of Europe, however, was not Winston Churchill, although a very fine man in every respect. It was Ludwig Erhard. His common sense economic ideas were unbelievable, first-rate. There should be a statue of him in every German village. He brought about the "Wirtschaftswunder" that propelled Europe onto a global scale. Churchill himself would be thoroughly shocked at what the socialists/liberals had done to Great Britain. He wasn't for MASSIVE government in Brussels. He wasn't for ridiculous/absurd laws overwhelming the British citizenry. He wasn't for massive taxation on a scale never before seen, to support that monstrosity. He would be stunned to see what left-wing, er wait, ....the FAR left-wing, has done to the UK. You sir, are wrong! Look up into the night sky, the Zeitgeist is moving.

My thoughts,

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Wales and Ireland will now vote to leave the UK.

Britain alone and drowning in their own sorrows.
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Lets be frank folks..

If any of this Brexit, Frexit, etc. shenanigans were actually about making sure that 'the people' were represented by those who truly know them and their area best...ie, local folks as opposed to someone three thousand miles away, there would be a push for a break up of countries into far smaller, far more regional/local jurisdictions. The case for self rule is only sensible, in my view at least, if the governing happens at the (in the US) county or city level where instead of State or Federal politicians mucking things up, it's the locally elected officials. That's the only way people could be governed at an effective level, because really, which do you think represents people best? A group of people in a national capital 3,000 miles away - a group of people in a state capital 300 miles away - or a group of people 3 miles away?

Anyways. This Brexit thing? It's just nonsensical paranoia; it's a sure fire example of people not considering all of the consequences when making a decision.
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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No, that was what you moved to after you were shown to be wrong. That also, was silly. But hey, whatever floats your boat. :cheers:
Feel free to present your argument.
I would prefer not to bang my head against the proverbial brick wall called your ideological stubbornness.
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Jun 24 2016, 11:34 PM
Lets be frank folks..

If any of this Brexit, Frexit, etc. shenanigans were actually about making sure that 'the people' were represented by those who truly know them and their area best...ie, local folks as opposed to someone three thousand miles away, there would be a push for a break up of countries into far smaller, far more regional/local jurisdictions. The case for self rule is only sensible, in my view at least, if the governing happens at the (in the US) county or city level where instead of State or Federal politicians mucking things up, it's the locally elected officials. That's the only way people could be governed at an effective level, because really, which do you think represents people best? A group of people in a national capital 3,000 miles away - a group of people in a state capital 300 miles away - or a group of people 3 miles away?

Anyways. This Brexit thing? It's just nonsensical paranoia; it's a sure fire example of people not considering all of the consequences when making a decision.
Yes, the people that voted to remain are complete fools. Countries need to have their own sovereignty.
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Jun 24 2016, 11:37 PM
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Jun 24 2016, 11:34 PM
Lets be frank folks..

If any of this Brexit, Frexit, etc. shenanigans were actually about making sure that 'the people' were represented by those who truly know them and their area best...ie, local folks as opposed to someone three thousand miles away, there would be a push for a break up of countries into far smaller, far more regional/local jurisdictions. The case for self rule is only sensible, in my view at least, if the governing happens at the (in the US) county or city level where instead of State or Federal politicians mucking things up, it's the locally elected officials. That's the only way people could be governed at an effective level, because really, which do you think represents people best? A group of people in a national capital 3,000 miles away - a group of people in a state capital 300 miles away - or a group of people 3 miles away?

Anyways. This Brexit thing? It's just nonsensical paranoia; it's a sure fire example of people not considering all of the consequences when making a decision.
Yes, the people that voted to remain are complete fools. Countries need to have their own sovereignty.
Sovereignty? You mean have politicians govern you from a thousand miles away? Someone who thinks differently than you perhaps? Maybe speaks slightly differently? Despite what some think, Britain is not a monolithic culture, there are regions, subcultures, etc.

So....why not go further? Seems that if the argument is about self rule, sovereignty they ought to advocate to go further.
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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