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EU referendum results live: Brexit most likely outcome says leading pollster
Topic Started: Jun 23 2016, 09:09 PM (12,024 Views)
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lucash
Jun 24 2016, 11:34 PM
Lets be frank folks..

If any of this Brexit, Frexit, etc. shenanigans were actually about making sure that 'the people' were represented by those who truly know them and their area best...ie, local folks as opposed to someone three thousand miles away, there would be a push for a break up of countries into far smaller, far more regional/local jurisdictions. The case for self rule is only sensible, in my view at least, if the governing happens at the (in the US) county or city level where instead of State or Federal politicians mucking things up, it's the locally elected officials. That's the only way people could be governed at an effective level, because really, which do you think represents people best? A group of people in a national capital 3,000 miles away - a group of people in a state capital 300 miles away - or a group of people 3 miles away?

Anyways. This Brexit thing? It's just nonsensical paranoia; it's a sure fire example of people not considering all of the consequences when making a decision.
No, the remain camp said all along what the consequences but the people wanted their country back and were willing to suffer them.
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lucash
Jun 24 2016, 11:50 PM
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Jun 24 2016, 11:37 PM
lucash
Jun 24 2016, 11:34 PM
Lets be frank folks..

If any of this Brexit, Frexit, etc. shenanigans were actually about making sure that 'the people' were represented by those who truly know them and their area best...ie, local folks as opposed to someone three thousand miles away, there would be a push for a break up of countries into far smaller, far more regional/local jurisdictions. The case for self rule is only sensible, in my view at least, if the governing happens at the (in the US) county or city level where instead of State or Federal politicians mucking things up, it's the locally elected officials. That's the only way people could be governed at an effective level, because really, which do you think represents people best? A group of people in a national capital 3,000 miles away - a group of people in a state capital 300 miles away - or a group of people 3 miles away?

Anyways. This Brexit thing? It's just nonsensical paranoia; it's a sure fire example of people not considering all of the consequences when making a decision.
Yes, the people that voted to remain are complete fools. Countries need to have their own sovereignty.
Sovereignty? You mean have politicians govern you from a thousand miles away? Someone who thinks differently than you perhaps? Maybe speaks slightly differently? Despite what some think, Britain is not a monolithic culture, there are regions, subcultures, etc.

So....why not go further? Seems that if the argument is about self rule, sovereignty they ought to advocate to go further.
One step at a time. :tongue:



But to your point. Why not have one all world government? 12,000 thousand miles away making decisions for all? From let's say Moscow or Beijing?
Edited by Robertr2000, Jun 25 2016, 09:40 AM.
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And just like the pilgrims from 14th century France, and their journey via the Camino de Santiago, they shall come, by the hundreds, by the the thousands, perhaps by the millions, to that tacky pizza shop at O'Hair's airport to worship at where it all took place, ....Uno's Pizza!

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Brexit began over a cheap pizza slice? Fateful decision to hold vote was 'reached in Chicago O'Hare pizzeria' while David Cameron waited for flight
David Cameron and William Hague were in Chicago in 2012 for a meeting
Returning from the Nato summit, both men ate pizza at Chicago O'Hare
They agreed to hold the doomed Brexit EU referendum by the end of 2017
Cameron gambled on the referendum to win a second term in Downing St


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659451/Reports-suggest-David-Cameron-William-Hague-shook-hands-Brexit-referendum-Uno-pizzeria-Chicago-O-Hare.html#ixzz4Cb96dTRY


Blessed be the shrine for all conservatives where the logical choice for all humanity was taken and spread to the masses...Uno's Chicago-style Pizza....!


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David Cameron made his momentous decision to commit himself to the Brexit referendum while eating pizza at a fast-food restaurant at Chicago O'Hare airport.
Cameron was on his way home from a NATO conference in May 2012 when he met with his then Foreign Secretary William Hague to discuss plans for the 2015 British general election.
The Prime Minister's major concern at the time was the potential rise of UKIP and a damaging pre-election spilt within his own party over Europe.

The PM and foreign secretary were noticed by fellow travellers, surprised to see two high profile politicians in a public area of a busy airport.
The Mail on Sunday reported in August 2015 that by spring 2012, the pressure for Cameron to commit to a referendum is virtually unstoppable. Having been initially reluctant, Osborne is won round. And on May 21 at the improbable location of a pizza restaurant at Chicago’s O’Hare airport it is settled.
Cameron sits down with William Hague and they agree to offer a referendum before the end of 2017. Osborne still has reservations. But Cameron can hold out no longer and the referendum is duly announced.
According to US website, Slate, the venue for the historic meeting was Uno Chicago Pizza in Terminal Three.
Slate claimed Uno Chicago Pizza was the only fast food joint serving pizza where patrons could sit down at Terminal Three in the airport.


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lucash
Jun 24 2016, 11:34 PM
Lets be frank folks..

If any of this Brexit, Frexit, etc. shenanigans were actually about making sure that 'the people' were represented by those who truly know them and their area best...ie, local folks as opposed to someone three thousand miles away, there would be a push for a break up of countries into far smaller, far more regional/local jurisdictions. The case for self rule is only sensible, in my view at least, if the governing happens at the (in the US) county or city level where instead of State or Federal politicians mucking things up, it's the locally elected officials. That's the only way people could be governed at an effective level, because really, which do you think represents people best? A group of people in a national capital 3,000 miles away - a group of people in a state capital 300 miles away - or a group of people 3 miles away?

Anyways. This Brexit thing? It's just nonsensical paranoia; it's a sure fire example of people not considering all of the consequences when making a decision.
For people (the whole Western World and Jar personally) who perfectly know how things and life in general work - my remark may look quite routine but still I'll add a couple of words.... :)

ECONOMY RULES

Every American acting president who enjoyed 3% or more of GDP growth during his first term - got reelected regardless to being democrat or republucan or whoever. Everyone who had less than 3 (or maybe 2) % - lost.

Besides, you over there might not have any time spent thinking what democracy is, because you are tought that what you have is exactly the democracy. No sense to comprehend if it is real :)
But it's not as simple. Democracy in the best possible option is the rule of few with agreement of the rest. I mean maximum of real democracy achieved by human kind, not in dreams. It means there is never a democracy in the meaning of "rule of the people", there is no democracy at all as something existing at every single moment, except few instances when referendum is held. And thanks god people don't rule themselves - just look at a common voter. Drudge, for example, or Jake...
So, it's pointless to blame people for benefiting from quite a rare occasion to express their disagreement, just it happens that British elite is too stupid to rule the country, because they thought it is safe to give power to the people in time when GDP growth is less than 3%. Of course whatever is asked from the people - people will vote in protest...or at least it will be quite a big factor.
People are very fool in general.
Edited by Siberian, Jun 25 2016, 09:49 AM.
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Edited by Robertr2000, Jun 25 2016, 09:51 AM.
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BINGO Russia and ISIS is applauding the will of the British people!

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Jun 25 2016, 09:55 AM
BINGO Russia and ISIS is applauding the will of the British people!
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"are" applauding
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Jun 25 2016, 09:37 AM
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Jun 24 2016, 11:50 PM
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Jun 24 2016, 11:37 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepYes, the people that voted to remain are complete fools. Countries need to have their own sovereignty.
Sovereignty? You mean have politicians govern you from a thousand miles away? Someone who thinks differently than you perhaps? Maybe speaks slightly differently? Despite what some think, Britain is not a monolithic culture, there are regions, subcultures, etc.

So....why not go further? Seems that if the argument is about self rule, sovereignty they ought to advocate to go further.
One step at a time. :tongue:



But to your point. Why not have one all world government? 12,000 thousand miles away making decisions for all? From let's say Moscow or Beijing?
No, Moscow has awful traffic jams, I propose my dacha as the World government headquaters.... I even have the place for the Presidential councel meetings
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Jun 25 2016, 09:55 AM
BINGO Russia and ISIS is applauding the will of the British people!

Flat bread for everyone....I YOU CAN AFFORD IT!
Edro, it happens, just accept what is inevitable and natural, the EU is doomed. It will be much worse after it collapses, but not because it worked, but because you went too far on the wrong path and every even inefficient system is better than collapse, even if this system cannot but to lead to collapse in the end. Just like USSR. Socialism was a utopia, it failed. The EU is not capable of living, and an economic crisis is the tool to establish it.
Edited by Siberian, Jun 25 2016, 10:33 AM.
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Russia lost a bundle as Brexit took hold....the future of Putins influence now looks bleak.

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Jun 25 2016, 10:26 AM
Russia lost a bundle as Brexit took hold....the future of Putins influence now looks bleak.

I'd say for Russia results are quite balanced, there are big gains - the EU will be much less Russophobic after US puppet, our eternal historical enemy the UK leaves but of course general economic decline of the EU will hit Russia too and may hit hard.
So, I'd say in general maybe a little more positive than negative, yes, but not that much.
But as I said - it's a natural course of events, it had to and will continue to happen regardless who rules Russia and if we benefit or loose from it.
Edited by Siberian, Jun 25 2016, 10:41 AM.
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Jun 25 2016, 10:09 AM
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Jun 25 2016, 09:37 AM
lucash
Jun 24 2016, 11:50 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepYes, the people that voted to remain are complete fools. Countries need to have their own sovereignty.
One step at a time. :tongue:



But to your point. Why not have one all world government? 12,000 thousand miles away making decisions for all? From let's say Moscow or Beijing?
No, Moscow has awful traffic jams, I propose my dacha as the World government headquaters.... I even have the place for the Presidential councel meetings
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and a candidate for the post of Human rights observer...
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I don't live in Moscow, why would I care of it's traffic jams?


I live in California, believe when I tell you I know what a traffic jam is.
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Jun 25 2016, 10:25 AM
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Jun 25 2016, 09:55 AM
BINGO Russia and ISIS is applauding the will of the British people!

Flat bread for everyone....I YOU CAN AFFORD IT!
Edro, it happens, just accept what is inevitable and natural, the EU is doomed. It will be much worse after it collapses, but not because it worked, but because you went too far on the wrong path and every even inefficient system is better than collapse, even if this system cannot but to lead to collapse in the end. Just like USSR. Socialism was a utopia, it failed. The EU is not capable of living, and an economic crisis is the tool to establish it.
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The will of the Brit is about having another vote.
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Jun 25 2016, 11:02 AM
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Jun 25 2016, 10:25 AM
edro14
Jun 25 2016, 09:55 AM
BINGO Russia and ISIS is applauding the will of the British people!

Flat bread for everyone....I YOU CAN AFFORD IT!
Edro, it happens, just accept what is inevitable and natural, the EU is doomed. It will be much worse after it collapses, but not because it worked, but because you went too far on the wrong path and every even inefficient system is better than collapse, even if this system cannot but to lead to collapse in the end. Just like USSR. Socialism was a utopia, it failed. The EU is not capable of living, and an economic crisis is the tool to establish it.
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OK, OK, I confess, I am extremely pleased :)
Mostly by the fact that I am right, as usual, and having predicted collapse of the EU, and not just predicted but had given the quite a solid argumentation quite a long ago, I don't remember, 9 or 10 years ago...
But I also welcome Europe wich will be less an American slave and who will put benefits of economic cooperation with Russia higher than expansion of its political and military structures Eastwards.
I am just trying not to hurt your feelings too much with too a vivid expression of joy :lol: . But if you prefer otherwise.... my condolences... :lol:
Edited by Siberian, Jun 25 2016, 11:14 AM.
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After all, this time Europe may avoid "every 100 years' unification to go to Russia to get European butt kicked", I think every European must agree it's a posituve thing... :lol:
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Jun 24 2016, 09:42 PM
Wales and Ireland will now vote to leave the UK.

Britain alone and drowning in their own sorrows.
Interesting Edro... Northern Ireland wanted to "REMAIN".

This could be the reunification of the North and South to form a single Republic.

That is an amazing observation and one I hope comes true...

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Jun 25 2016, 11:13 AM
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OK, OK, I confess, I am extremely pleased :)
Mostly by the fact that I am right, as usual, and having predicted collapse of the EU, and not just predicted but had given the quite a solid argumentation quite a long ago, I don't remember, 9 or 10 years ago...
But I also welcome Europe wich will be less an American slave and who will put benefits of economic cooperation with Russia higher than expansion of its political and military structures Eastwards.
I am just trying not to hurt your feelings too much with too a vivid expression of joy :lol: . But if you prefer otherwise.... my condolences... :lol:
The collapse of the EU does nothing to strengthen Russia...

NATO still unites them

Europe is still protected... The Russian Bear wont get a single Bite...

Trump needs to focus more so on the male vote. He should have nationalized the Boy Scouts when they decided to admit girls.

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By the way, Zon, do you know what amuses me greatly? You have shown it before already, I just use another occasion to point on it.
Most people in the West, who cry of democracy etc lowder - are all hypocrites, liers and despots, you all turn into oppressive dictators if given a chance, on any level, just as soon as you don't like the result of democracy. What was the case when you was wishing the authorities to ignore referendum results and do the opposite?
I can't say Russians are different, I'd say all humans are quite similar, but you zombies are brainwashed to think that you are somehow better, are bearers of true values.
The truth is that the West just is too prosperous to have too big a conflicts within its societies to adopt more suppressive methods to hold the situation under control. But all your countries readilly slip into any form of manipulation, dictatorship etc as soon as situation requires. Just remember Greece. And now I expect the EU and UK authorities to implement sonething to de-facto eliminate the referendum results, keeping an empty form of Brexit.
But, whatever they do - it wil just prolong the agony.

Just remember the core problem of the EU, the main reason it is incapable of living is its utopian model. The ECONOMIC model.
The problem is that European countries are very different economically. A sovereign country can compensate weakness in certain sphere with strengthening another, like - if your production is incompetituve you weaken your currency.
The EU is designed so that the economic core with strong export oriented economies thrives and benefits the most. There is a single currency, which is too strong for Greece and kills its export and a little weaker than it ought to be for Germany, Benilux, - and boost its export and production. As well taxes are different, interest rates for national industries are different, generally - economic conditions are different greatly. In a country there is common social care system, common taxes, interest rate and special subsidies to support the weak. IN THE EU THEY CHOSE CREDITS AS A TEMPORARY TOOL TO CREATE TEMPORARY WEALTH IN POOR MEMBERS TO ATTRACT NEW ONES, MORE AND MORE, WITHOUT REALLY CREATING SUSTAINABLE MODEL TO KEEP EVERYBODY UNITED. to compensate differences.
From the very start, from creation of the EU it was a project of not people but economic elite of very few countries. It eas a mockery and non-democracy because every single common man was fooled, common Germans were fooled that they are not going to pay for Greeks - they did not for a while but now are going to pay via collapse of the EU which their economy is already adapted to. Greels etc. were fooled that tgey will live good in the EU without earning this.
The EU is a giant lie. Maybe even bigger than socialism, as a model.
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Jun 25 2016, 11:43 AM
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Jun 24 2016, 09:42 PM
Wales and Ireland will now vote to leave the UK.

Britain alone and drowning in their own sorrows.
Interesting Edro... Northern Ireland wanted to "REMAIN".

This could be the reunification of the North and South to form a single Republic.

That is an amazing observation and one I hope comes true...

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Scotland will most likely vote to leave the UK. Northern Ireland may as well. That will mean that the UK consists of Wales, England, with the status of Gibraltar up for debate, since Spain would really like it back.
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