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Before the Clintonistas celebrate too much...
Topic Started: Jul 5 2016, 03:19 PM (1,692 Views)
Two a.m.
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I'm sure many a champagne cork is popping today in ClintonLand. And rightfully so. It's a good day for the campaign.

But before everyone gets too thrilled, it is worth noting that - while the FBI's decision was the proper one - it hits at Hillary Clinton's greatest vulnerability - her Nixonian insecurity and paranoia. Like Nixon, she's smart, talented and ruthless. Unlike Nixon, I think she actually has reasonably good intentions.

But her shady side is what reminds me most of Nixon. Like him, she has never had much talent for the baby-kissing side of retail politics. Being hounded for twenty years by partisan loonies didn't help. The first bred her insecurity. The second, her secrecy. Both got her in trouble over email and both will do so again unless she puts those parts of her personality in check. They may also harm her electability. It is one of the reasons people perceive her relatively normal level of dishonesty as being somehow extreme or unprecedented.

I've slammed Hillary over this before but - just so nobody thinks I'm trying to be unfair to her here - her personality flaws, huge as they may be still pale beside those of her opponent, the Orange Lunatic.

But it bears repeating. The email thing was both very stupid on her part and very avoidable. Much like her taking all that Wall Street cash. Unlike the fake Benghazi scandal, it showed genuine deficiencies in Hillary Clinton's personality and character. Right now, the two biggest accomplishments the Clinton campaign has achieved are defeating an aging socialist who started at 3 percent in the polls and managing to not get their candidate indicted.

Call me underwhelmed.

She has inspired almost no one with a deeply boring campaign, a store-bought message and a bland, plastic public image most people find fake or repellent. She simply seems incapable of being human in front of the world.

Being better than Donald Trump may yet be enough to get her a term in the White House. But if she were running against anyone else, she'd be toast.

Rant over.
Edited by Two a.m., Jul 5 2016, 03:20 PM.
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Two, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya.



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CautionaryTales
Jul 5 2016, 03:24 PM
Two, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya.

Fair enough. She's got reasons for being this way. I grant that.
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On the bright side, Trump will likely continue to say stupid crap, make embarrassing tweets and shoot himself in the ass as the campaign rolls on.
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Jul 5 2016, 03:25 PM
On the bright side, Trump will likely continue to say stupid crap, make embarrassing tweets and shoot himself in the ass as the campaign rolls on.
Good thing. We'll need that.
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Jul 5 2016, 03:25 PM
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Jul 5 2016, 03:24 PM
Two, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya.

Fair enough. She's got reasons for being this way. I grant that.
For me that's no little thing.
She has been attacked and under some kind of investigation for decades. With nothing to charge her with. At some point people will see that it is just a political cottage industry to attack her.
This one was specifically admitted to be a political witch hunt in Congress.
The FBI did their due diligence, but we both know that there will be some other bogus scandal and a call for an investigation soon enough.
It's all part of being named Clinton.

That she has stood up to the fire of these many inquisitions is pretty remarkable.
I wonder how many other politicians could withstand this constant barrage?

She has earned every right to be as paranoid as she is.
Edited by CautionaryTales, Jul 5 2016, 03:34 PM.


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This is an absurd comparison. Richard Nixon was the greatest President of the 20th century and you besmirch his name with this slanderous comparison to Clinton.
Edited by Harambe4Trump, Jul 5 2016, 03:39 PM.
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Jul 5 2016, 03:37 PM
This is an absurd comparison. Richard Nixon was the greatest President of the 20th century and you besmirch his name with this slanderous comparison to Clinton.
He resigned to avoid jail.
Turns out... He was a crook.


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Jul 5 2016, 03:41 PM
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Jul 5 2016, 03:37 PM
This is an absurd comparison. Richard Nixon was the greatest President of the 20th century and you besmirch his name with this slanderous comparison to Clinton.
He resigned to avoid jail.
Turns out... He was a crook.
Sorry, he threatened the same powerful interest that Kennedy did. That's why he had to go.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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Jul 5 2016, 03:42 PM
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Jul 5 2016, 03:41 PM
The_Edgitarian
Jul 5 2016, 03:37 PM
This is an absurd comparison. Richard Nixon was the greatest President of the 20th century and you besmirch his name with this slanderous comparison to Clinton.
He resigned to avoid jail.
Turns out... He was a crook.
Sorry, he threatened the same powerful interest that Kennedy did. That's why he had to go.
More conspiracy muck from you?
Are you Robert's new protege?


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Jul 5 2016, 03:46 PM
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Jul 5 2016, 03:42 PM
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Sorry, he threatened the same powerful interest that Kennedy did. That's why he had to go.
More conspiracy muck from you?
Are you Robert's new protege?
It's laughable that you believe anything less than a conspiracy took down Nixon.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
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Jul 5 2016, 03:50 PM
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More conspiracy muck from you?
Are you Robert's new protege?
It's laughable that you believe anything less than a conspiracy took down Nixon.
Nixon took down Nixon.


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Jul 5 2016, 03:50 PM
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Jul 5 2016, 03:46 PM
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Jul 5 2016, 03:42 PM

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More conspiracy muck from you?
Are you Robert's new protege?
It's laughable that you believe anything less than a conspiracy took down Nixon.
A conspiracy did take down Nixon. Unfortunately, he was at the head of it. :lol:
Edited by Two a.m., Jul 5 2016, 03:51 PM.
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Jul 5 2016, 03:51 PM
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Jul 5 2016, 03:50 PM
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It's laughable that you believe anything less than a conspiracy took down Nixon.
A conspiracy did take down Nixon. Unfortunately, he was at the head of it. :lol:
Thank you for your concession.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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Jul 5 2016, 03:50 PM
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Jul 5 2016, 03:50 PM
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Jul 5 2016, 03:46 PM

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It's laughable that you believe anything less than a conspiracy took down Nixon.
Nixon took down Nixon.
That's akin to saying Lincoln took out Lincoln.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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Jul 5 2016, 03:52 PM
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A conspiracy did take down Nixon. Unfortunately, he was at the head of it. :lol:
Thank you for your concession.
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Jul 5 2016, 03:53 PM
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Nixon took down Nixon.
That's akin to saying Lincoln took out Lincoln.
Nixon could have stayed on as President you know.


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Jul 5 2016, 03:54 PM
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That's akin to saying Lincoln took out Lincoln.
Nixon could have stayed on as President you know.
He should have, but he placed country first, unlike Hillary.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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2 a.m., I'm not going to disagree with you. I think some of your language is too harsh but most is accurate. Having said that, I think she will make a fine President. She has the ability to lead the country, maybe just not be the lead cheerleader ala Ronald Reagan or even Barak Obama. Yes, she is not the most personable person in front of a large audience.

But she is an accomplished politician and will be able to manage the country. She has proven it in her past offices.
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This is one of those rare threads by Two a.m. where I am in complete agreement. I think the only part where we differ is that he thinks she has reasonably good intentions, while I'm far from convinced that is the case.
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