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| BREXIT Just for the Record; Being English. Living in England having lived in mainland Europe. | |
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| Hiawatha | Jul 10 2016, 08:20 AM Post #1 |
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I thought you may be interested to know how a great deal of the population here feel about the whole Brexit drama. For years now, we in England have had our system eroded, down-played, over-ridden and had to pay for the privellege, by the overbearing EU commandants. Our people have (in true British style), have sucked it up quietly, privately grumbling about having to change our culture, rules, and budgets accordingly. However.... also synonomous of the Bitish temperament, we have been pushed to 'Snap', and will no longer cower to the indoctrination. Our 'Great' BBC, is no longer the source of all things true, and are (as mainstream media here including the internet) censoring anything and access to anything that is not what the powers to be determine what the mere plebs should know. This became most apparent during the whole Brexit referendum - hence the outcome. Yes, there are still a great deal of unknowledgable folk here, that simply voted remain for the most ridiculous reasons, such as I heard first-hand recently "I won't be able to buy parts for my French car" (Twat!). These people are completely suckered by the media scaremongering, who foretold stories of great woe should we leave. That our economy would be in tatters, that we would be invaded (like we are not already!) That our expats in Europe would be homeless (more bollox - the rest of Europe are not heartless feinds - they are countries who too have lost their identities to the Brussels regime, many of which have the same feeling of despair with their governments, but afraid to take the leap to make the change). And since the blessed referendum - How is Britian? We have lost a few cents on both the Euro and the dollar. STILL 5 CENTS MORE THAN 2012 ON THE EURO! Those of us in business see a small increase in the few supplies we buy from mainland Europe, but if you take away the German and French cars we import, there isn't a lot else! Europe and US won't be complaining about the better rates to the British pound they now enjoy. 80% of our European trade is purchases! So who has the lead hand in that debate. Bring it on Germany & France - threaten us with tariffs on trading and watch your car trade drop like a stone! We are about to drop our corporation tax to 15% (half what the EU want to set as standard!) If that is not an invitation to corporations to invest in UK, I don't know what is. Our interest rate for borrowing is about to be cut to lowest for a significant number of years - and that is really going to hurt the millions here in debt - NOT! Our rates are already stabilising. The 24th June was felt to be like the first day of Spring here, with renewed enthusiasm, and a reality check that shortly we would be once again in control of our own destiny and the millions each week going to EU funds, would finally stay in our own economy to fund our crashing Health system and social problems (much of which caused by overpopulation due to being unable to limit any borders, and haplessly fund immimigrants (not refugees - which is entirely another matter and one not contested), whilst indiginous Brits suffer a declining standard of living - way too many of which are below the breadline, and unable to access any funds - which are used to fund excess immigrants. We don not have a problem with the people who are already here - we will manage in True Brit style, but enough is enough. An Australiain style immigration policy is desperately needed here NOW! I have lived for 6 years in Spain, and watched the beautiful Spanish culture gradually eroded by EU regulations. Wonderful fiesta and stree market curtailed due to senseless health and safety regulations. Quite simply the trip and sue brigade gone nuts! EACH EUROPEAN COUNTRY IS UNIQUE (well, they were), and that is why they are so wonderful. They sould NOT be assimilated 'BORG STYLE'. I could rant for days, but will take a breathe, as I am sure I will have to stave off attacks from folk who don't know how we feel, but have only the 'BBC Bollox' to rely on. So, from my first really heartfelt political post here, I await your comments. ps. After a decade of not posting on this forum, I have returned as I no longer submit to the 'You will only read what we say you can' policy enveloping the UK now. Moved to Op-Ed does not conform to News Board format ... mod's discretion Edited by wilmywood8455, Jul 10 2016, 10:54 AM.
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| jake58 | Jul 10 2016, 09:49 AM Post #2 |
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Xrist on a bicycle, you're not really Hughmac's sister are you? You sound like Mozzie's twin! Seriously, welcome(back) to the forum... it is fascinating to hear a view from Europe so divorced from what we usually hear. I mean, 52% of Brits voted to exit and you couldn't find a soul here who would have voted that way. There are certainly economies of scale to be garnered from making larger trade entities. The problem with large bureaucratic organizations is their inexorable drive to get larger and more controlling. Just as in the USSR, bad economics and nationalism will gradually tear apart the EU. And I promise not to ask you about Israel and the Palestinians. |
| That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens | |
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| Harambe4Trump | Jul 10 2016, 09:57 AM Post #3 |
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Having some distant Scotish ancestry, I gotta ask why they were brainwashed to vote remain. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Hiawatha | Jul 10 2016, 10:03 AM Post #4 |
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Had you encountered me on the previous p.com, you would have realised I was the most unpolitical creature on the planet - I simply enjoyed the mass spectrums of folk there. (I was constantly bullied into making a political allegiance - which I never did). Like I said in my previous statement, The Brit on the ground 'Plebs' have been forced to become politically aware over the last year or so. Rest assured - other than loving the Ziva charachter on NCIS, I know nothing of Israel, Islam, or any other political or religious factions (if that is the right word - probably not, but I have a herd of curious kittens at my feet begging to play - so will not loiter to check the meaning - it just sounded right). So we won't be keyboard battering each other on any of those fronts. Sorry Hughmac....you must despair with me (the way I do when I see all your BBC quotes ......arggghhh!) grin xxxxxxx |
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| edro14 | Jul 10 2016, 10:23 AM Post #5 |
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Welcome back Hy, I still remember your response to my post! Glad you have brought that true Brit insight to this forum. Our American perspective is deeply clouded with racial biases, and political horse crap. |
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| edro14 | Jul 10 2016, 10:26 AM Post #6 |
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As to the BREXIT affair, perhaps the rude awakening in the EU was long overdue. Nonetheless the union of nations will remain intact. Regarding the immigration issue, a difficult road lies before us all in this troubled world of religious upheavals. |
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| Hiawatha | Jul 10 2016, 10:33 AM Post #7 |
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sigh...huge gulp of tea and....... Quite apart from the small issue of the kids toys... I don't want to play with it, unless you do, then I just NEED to right now, and if you say you like it, I don't. The Scots and English have always had a bit of an iffy relationship. (Ask Mel Gibson, grin) I don't blame them. I personally refer to myself as English not so much British, so why would the Scottish folk want to be British over Scottish? United Kingdom....hmmmm. Never has been, never will be, but that's minor in the whole scale of things, the most united this kingdom has been for a while is over the EU thing. Like I said... 'in-house' stuff. Family crap for lack of a better word. We can scrap and squabble, but will unite against outsider. Not really sure what Scotland is on with this one though. Have they thought it through?.. the euro... really? Did you know Scotland already have their own currency 'Scottish pound' - scares the hell out of us when we get one, which we always hand over to equally concerned shop-keepers, quite expecting them to say "We don't take these here". Personally, I think it's a case of them jumping out of the British kettle into the European fire..but each to their own, so long as it's what the plebs want and not otherwise. Most probably because the fatcats sat on the government decision making comfy chairs, with pockets filled to spewing with ill gotten back-handers don't want to have their gravy trian stopped. At least the currupt Spanish officials use a proportion of their backhanders to quell the plebs with making deals for large construction projects to include the odd school, clinic, or play area for the local folk who will have to eyeball the eyesore for the next duration of concrete cancer, which seemed mildly wrong - but acceptable. The Gov fatcats here just ooze wealth whilst they continue to smoke in government chambers, banquetting on tax payers ill afforded funds pretending to be doing a worthwhile job. They never wanted change, whether they were in London, Bangor, Plymouth, Tipperary or Whitchurch Canonicorum. |
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| Hiawatha | Jul 10 2016, 10:56 AM Post #8 |
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Firstly, I should apologise that I should have said "I don't know", not gone off on a rant. (What makes you think I am soooooo Cross with the EU Regime?) Interesting info for you, which you may or may not already know, and may shed some light on your question. There is an old English law, (which apart from current legal legislation such as the mere act of 'Murder' etc, which in all honesty must override it,) stating It is an Englishman's duty to shoot any Scotsman seen entering the City bounday of York. We also, still have the law that every parish council, must provide upon request an archery butt on the village green, because every Englishman must practice archery at least every Sunday. Every English churchyard still contains yew trees, grown for the purpose of producing longbows. |
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| estonianman | Jul 10 2016, 12:14 PM Post #9 |
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Hiawatha - do you think that the next prime minister will stall the exit? Seems like everyone inline to take the position is on the side of remain.
Edited by estonianman, Jul 10 2016, 12:15 PM.
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| jake58 | Jul 10 2016, 12:39 PM Post #10 |
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Everyone who was in power before was on the side of 'Remain.' The peeps have spoken. |
| That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens | |
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| jake58 | Jul 10 2016, 12:43 PM Post #11 |
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There are lots of other boards/subjects here to natter on without getting sullied/battered on the political boards. This place needs all the help it can get. Hope you hang around. |
| That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens | |
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| estonianman | Jul 10 2016, 12:53 PM Post #12 |
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So are they committed to article 50? It appears they can stall it indefinitely if they want to |
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| Hiawatha | Jul 10 2016, 12:57 PM Post #13 |
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It's like this. We currently have a conservative government. (Cameron is the so called leader, who has supposedly resigned in advance). This has led to a conservative party election for a new leader. It started with 5 being nominated by their chums. Conservative MP's were casting votes to elimate one each session. One was eliminated after the first session, at which point another one who received very little support opted out, leaving 2 women (Therea May, and Andrea Leadsom) and Mr Gove. Gove was eliminated at the next voting session. The two women now go through to the 'final', which is a postal vote by 150,000 conservative MEMBERS (Not MP's, just conservative members ie, anyone who is a member of the conservative party. (Made up mostly of rich, silver spoon folk with investments, who cringe at the thought of interest rates dropping because they have savings and investments). May is a little Merkel like, but experienced MP but was a Remain supporter. Leadsom is a little closer to the plebites, but a little inexperienced, but still a proven choice for the public. The public however, do not get a say, as this is a vote for a new Conservative Leader, who will just happen to become Prime minister because conservatives are currently in power. Nigel Farage (UKIP - UK Independant Party), has acheived his goal with the Brexit referendum,and now resigned as UKIP party leader awaiting election of new one. He had tirelessly campaigned for 20+ years for this, but has always been unsuccessful in government elections (which were last held well before Brexit referendum, otherwise outcome for him would have been very different. He is however, still and MEP (Member of European parliament, and socks it to them). He has received death threats to his family, and forsaken his family whilst campaigning to acheive Brexit, and in all fairness, we are sad to lose him, but understand his reasons. Labour (opposition party) is also in total chaos, with much of the party having lost faith in him and demanding his resignation. Many flk who voted UKIP last election, did so simply to stop Labour as Conservative was failing us as a Nation, by not listening to their people. BACK TO Prime Minister issue. Regardless of which woman gets the job (hopefully, Andrea, but with the people responsible for voting ie conservatives who generally want to Remain, doesn't really stand much of a chance), they will both be aware that unless they toe the line, the British people will simply demand a general election and throw them out. It's a waiting game. Whilst the politicians now go on summer holidays, regardless of the importance of the tasks they should be facing up to, (election date is 9th Sept for new conservative leader) get their parties in order, as there will most likely be a general election before the end of the year. The people have spoken - now the politicians have to take heed or take their leave. I think that pretty much sums it up for now. |
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| jake58 | Jul 10 2016, 01:08 PM Post #14 |
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It will definitely get dragged out... for practical reasons if no other as trade agreements have to be re-negotiated with all the individual countries now. I'd like to think that the people will keep the heat on, as Hiawatha has intimated... but I get the sense that the Leave contingent is an older demographic and the PTB may try to stall this until enough of them die off to try another referendum |
| That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens | |
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| edro14 | Jul 10 2016, 01:36 PM Post #15 |
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Several things need to happen in the UK before an exit from the EU occurs. !. A new prime Minister needs to be elected, won't happen until September. 2. Financial markets in the EU and the UK will need to rewritten how business is conducted. 3. The immigration and open borders issues must be worked on especially since the EU labor force is being stymied. 4. Movement of good and products need to be address. 5. Leadership cooperation must continue to work for the benefit of all nations. |
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| Robert Stout | Jul 10 2016, 05:07 PM Post #16 |
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Number five could be a problem...The British government needs to STOP "working for the benefit of all nations"...That could be a synonym for working for the benefit of big banks, Merkel, and multinational corporations.............
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| peewee | Jul 10 2016, 05:44 PM Post #17 |
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I passed on reading the tread for a few days. Looking for somewhere to mix it up I read. Glad I did. Thank you so much for sharing in detail what is being felt now by our British brothers and sisters. Be cause of you I now feel like I know something. Keep on posting and welcome back. |
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| EuropeanLad | Jul 10 2016, 09:22 PM Post #18 |
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The Scots have not been brainwashed, old English pensioners living in the shires have. By whom you might ask? By people like him: http://www.intmensorg.com/harmsworth.htm For decades English tabloids have been blaming the EU and immigration for anything. You should read them, there isn't a single day they don't publish at least one scary story about the dangerous EU immigrants. The truth is British working class lives have been ruined by globalization and the incompetence and corruption of Westminster governments, but the media that caters them (owned by the press barons) always manage to redirect the blame on the EU or on someone else. If you want to know who really is behind Brexit, read this : https://next.ft.com/content/f4dedd92-43c7-11e6-b22f-79eb4891c97d Edited by EuropeanLad, Jul 10 2016, 09:30 PM.
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| Robertr2000 | Jul 10 2016, 09:55 PM Post #19 |
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The E.U. must die.
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| EuropeanLad | Jul 10 2016, 10:11 PM Post #20 |
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I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed. |
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